Charter's Anonymous

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I thought I'd start a thread for all of us who worship at the shrine of Toni Weschler, spend whole seconds analysing cervical mucus, slip over in the shower checking cervical position and spend two minutes every morning flicking their heads from side to side in a valiant attempt to stop a baby pulling the thermometer out of their mouths. Ladies, this thread is for all of us, may it see many many BFPs!

Thanks. I hope you do Ov this month even if it's not obvious. When you are TTC a month seems like forever doesn't it.

Will be back tomorrow -

Yep! Esp when you have long cycles anyway!

What will be will be though, I am a great believer in that

Ho hum ho hum Danilou you can probably hear me drumming my fingers from here waiting for OV - on CD18 and no sign yet...

Hi 8ruberduckies,

It is a pain isn't it!!! When do you usually ov? if you don't mind me asking.

Hi ladies, I feel your pain. I had been oving on CD19 but the last couple of cycles it's been CD33 and CD35 so God knows what it'll be this cycle. It's so frustrating!

hippy I'll be thinking of you tomorrow - fingers crossed everything will be fine. Maybe the spotting is a sign of multiples?!

Lots of love x

danilou I have PCOS which I know you know about having seen you about on some other threads, and don't really have a set day for OVing, not even sure I was between Christmas and April (which is when I started taking Metformin). I OVd on day 31 last cycle, so I'm really hoping it turns up a bit quicker this cycle.

Hi. Well it was inconclusive I'm afraid. Sonogropher was a lovely girl.

She could see a sac but nothing else. The sac is quite small and she said she wouldn't expect to see anything in a sac that small.

So basically it is either not viable and has stopped developing or just too early to see. I have to go back in 12 days and she wants me to remain positive. I asked if she had seen other people with this at 6 weeks who went on to be ok and she said - yes.

When I got upset my DH said she got upset as well - bless her.

I'm trying to stay positive but do think it isn't good news. She said even though I was charting when I ovulated I couldn't really know when i conceived and it could just be too early.

My friend at work saw only a sac at the first scan and then a baby with a heartbeat a week later.

I thought that at least today i would know what the score was - but alas I DON'T!!!! arrgghhh.

I'm off to bury my head in the strawberry patch - someone dig me up in 12 days please.

DH has been wonderful and very positive.

I did say to the lady, I guess i might just bleed more and lose it before the next scan and she said that was quite a negative way to look at it - yep that's me!

Thanks to you all. I know you'll be here for me over the next couple of weeks.

Goodness ladies - you have my sympathy! When I started temping at the beginning of the year, my first cycle was anovulatory (although it was only 17 days so I'm not sure what went on there ). And the cycle that I didn't ovulate until CD20 seemed to go on forever. Fingers crossed for an earlier ovulation this cycle, teasonme, and hopefully Dani and duckies, it won't be too long for you either. TTC with massive cycles must get sooo frustrating.

Pleased to hear that your GP leapt into action, hippy. Been thinking of you, hope the scan went well today

hippy I had an ectopic scare in Dec last year. I went in for a scan at about 6 weeks and was told BEFORE the scan that it was unlikely they'd see a heartbeat so soon. The only reason I was offered a scan was to see if the PG was developing in the right place. Had I seen what you saw, it wouldn't have been surprising to me at all. I think you need to hang in there hun. The difference between 6 weeks and 7 weeks on a scan is HUGE, and the difference between 6 weeks and 8 weeks is HUGER.

Having said that, I totally understand your fears right now because I've had two MCs. I would probably be feeling as negative as you are, but that would be wrong. If we are ready to give weight to the negative, we must also be fair to ourselves and give weight to the positive. And the positive is that what the sonographer said to you is true hun, and so is it true that bleeding in early pregnancy is common.

I'm so sorry you're having this horrible horrible stress.

Thanks shaggy. All positive stories greatfully received.

I'm worried cos the sac was very small and she said I couln't be sure I was definitely 6 + 3 - but I'm charting for goodness sake so I ought to be pretty close.

Also, I have some mild cramps today like a pain in a line from my bits up to my bellybutton and as much as I try to convince myself it's just the little one settling in - it is unnerving me alot!

I had heard that early scans can be a worry cos they can cause more concern than re-assurance but I was just so pleased to be offered one that I didn't think beyond that.

Another friend at work said I should use the progesterone cream but i asked the sonographer if the lining was ok and she said 'fine' - so I feel if we do lose this one it wont be down to progesterone or lack of it it will just be bad luck with the embryo (again!!!).

Maybe I am just too old for all this and should have stoppped at my two boys??????

Oh, hippy - you must be in such a bad place right now. But, shaggy is right about giving weight to the postive. Isn't 6+3 awfully early for a heartbeat; is it not usually detected from 7 weeks?

So, although the outcome could be a bad one, it is also perfectly feasible that the heartbeat just cannot be seen yet and will be fluttering away by next week. I'll be thinking of you.

I will try to be positive but it's not just the heartbeat that's missing it's the fetal pole etc. Still a lot can change in 12 days - not least my mental state!!!

What's the fetal pole?

I'm sorry your scan hasn't been able to give you the definitive reassurance you were hoping for. Really hoping for you that it's just a bit early to see things and you'll have a more conclusive one in 12 days.

Good news that the lining all looks good though, so your little one has got the best possible chance in there.

Enjoy your strawberries!

I'm rather perplexed by my own body at the moment. I may have ovulated as early as CD13, or maybe yesterday (CD16) or maybe not yet.

Contradictory evidence:
-My temps aren't as high as the last couple of luteal phases.
-Temps are higher than earlier in this cycle (but the "jump" has been rather small).
-I got a +ve OPK on CD12.
-I still have a lot of CM today on CD17.
-Last month I ovulated on CD14.
-My sleep pattern is shite and I have had some temps as early as 3.15am and some as late as 7.30am (most between 4.40am and 6.00am). So the results may all be b*llocks anyway
-Bit constipated which is usually a feature of the later half of the cycle (apparently due to raised progesterone, hence people get constipated in pregnancy too)

Course I now don't know about luteal phase length/when to test/when to expect period...

It would be nice to be know what's going on in there!

spilthetea Strawberrys are lovely - ta.
xxx

Not really sure what the fetal pole is. There are things they can see before others and a pole should be seen before an embryo - I think!

hippy just found fetal pole on Wiki. It looks like it's usually seen from 6.5 weeks onwards. Can be seen as early as 6 weeks, may not be seen until 8 weeks.

So not necessarily an issue that it couldn't be found today. Hang in there my dear!

Thanks honey. All encouragment helps. You are such a nice bunch.

Sorry if i haven't been any help with anyone else's questions - it's hard to think straight with your head stuck in the mud.

OK, hippy, I think that shaggy has given you some very good advice there about there being a big diff between 6-7 weeks and even more between 6-8 weeks. I was quite surprised that your GP had offered a scan that early, and I think your sonographer had it spot on. You poor old thing, what a stressful time to go through! have had mcs so know what this bit's like. So your next one is, what, 26th May? Hang in there. Remember every day makes it closer to viability

spilt have you thought about maybe a slow rising progesterone spike? I'd be tempted to SWI anyway.

hippy how frustrating for you, good vibes coming your way for the next couple of weeks, try to take some time out for yourself and not get too worried as it's not good for the little one .

Still waiting for the lovely big, fat red line to appear on my FF chart. My temp rose by 0.5 degrees this morning, but no EWCM yet. Also, my temps have been shooting up and down loads over the last few days.

hippy One other thing to consider about dates at this early stage (because every day seems important WRT scans) is that even if you know when you ovulated from charting, you may be less certain on when emby implanted. If you implanted late then it could be significant.

I think the best place for your head right now is firmly in the sand, with all of us standing around giving you hugs. This is an utterly shite time for you, and we're all wishing you the very very best outcome. If you find the waiting unbearable, I suggest you consider asking them to re-scan in one week - 12 days seems so long. Even if they can't see heartbeat that early, they should still be able to see some growth, surely...?

Everyone on this and a couple of other threads I'm on has been so wonderful to me today - i'm welling up!!

aaw sweetie, we all feel for you and are hoping for good news for you.

Have just signed up to FF and put in my data. It has put half my temps this month in as open circles, meanning the time taken makes them dubious .

However, seeing which ones are "right" helps a lot with chart interpretation. It reckons I may have ovulated on CD12 but it's not certain. In which case, am 5DPO and missed SWI on the Most Crucial Day. Better keep trying just in case!

Not sure I like the idea of a website that tells you off - must try harder splitthetea.

Bugger, bugger, bugger hippy I'm so gutted they couldn't give you a definative answer hon. The ladies have all given fab advice, don't lose hope and try and keep yourself distracted. Hopefully time will pass quickly for you and your DH but you know where we are if you need us. Have got everything crossed for you xxxxxxx

Feeling a bit down today, one of those days where everyone around you seems to be pg etc.. had my LO's first nursery visit today & it just magnified the fact he's not my baby anymore and (of course) half the mums had lovely bumps Been for a solitary drive tonight to try and clear my head but it's not really working