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Continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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rowingboat · 26/03/2010 11:49

Hello world!

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KiwiKat · 02/04/2010 17:00

Good advice, as ever, Rowing. x

Italiangreyhound · 02/04/2010 17:49

Rowing Thanks for your positive comments. How do I remain cheerful? Those who know me in the real world would probably tell a different tale, I am not always cheery! I do think being a Christian has a lot to do with it. I can have a positive outlook as I do feel so loved by God. Also, I have had a bit to do with human rights campaigning now for over 10 years and I know the unhappy lives many live so no matter what I go through with this fertility rollercoaster it is nothing to what so many in the world suffer! I guess I do also feel you can control, to come extent, how you respond to things and I do choose to be positive when I can; but again, real life family and friends could tell a different tale! You are seeing my careful considerations not my dramatic why-me outbursts!

Rowing I love the re-direction/distraction! I use distraction techniques a lot and what I would call positive parenting (lots of affirmation and no smacking) BUT again, people who know me in the real world also see me frazzled and shouting, which is definitely not positive!

ILGH hope things have calmed down a bit.

Hippy how is it going? Any more job nibbles!

Alba, Gum and all, .

Italiangreyhound · 02/04/2010 18:02

Sorry if this post is all me, me, me! We have had our treatment! We got seven eggs! All seven were injected with DH?s sperm (ICSI procedure). Two were immature and two more did not fertilise, leaving three fertilised. I was told to have my last injection of Buserelin the day before egg collection, to continue with Progynova and start pesseries. On the day of embryo transfer I needed to save the pesseries until after transfer. DH and I needed to be at clinic for our embryo transfer with a full bladder, me not DH! We took nice chocs and cards for the nurses and reception staff.

They told us that one of the embryos had not made it, it had just stopped growing. I felt very upset and cried. I had hoped to have an embryo to freeze and I was just genuinely sad that one had not made it. DH and I had decided if any embryos needed freezing, whatever grade, we would do it, we both wanted to save anything if we could. But the decision was taken out of our hands as one had not survived, which left two remaining embryos and we had already decided to put two in. The doc said it was the embryo?s way of telling us that it was not going to survive (or something like that). Only about 3% of couples have any embryos to freeze and that includes people keeping all their eggs. As we were sharing from our perfectly kind altruistic donor, with another recipient couple, we got half so unlikely we would have any to freeze. I almost felt embarrassed for crying. Silently, I named our ?lost? embryo Tyler Willow. I know I was just naming it in my head. I never saw a picture of it but I decided as it fertilized that I would think of it with a name as that was easier for me.

Then onto the good news, they told us the other two embryos were fine, they were grade 2, which is good. Grade 1 is best but only about 3% are grade 1 and the clinic has the same success rate with grade 2 as with grade 1, (grade 1 is picture perfect, grade 2 has fragmented ?bits? but is good). We were given a photo of our two little embryos. It was very touching to have a photo.

If this is TMI ? look away now! I was clamped open with the speculum and the doc cleaned my cervix! I said it felt like someone poking something in my ear and I was told it was a cotton bud! We looked at the scan on the screen at what looked like a moonscape or (in the words of Chandler from ?Friends?) something attacking the Starship Enterprise! We watched as the catheter (a pale white line) went in. It did hurt a bit. I jumped and made the nurse, who was scanning my tummy, jump. We watched the liquid containing our two embryos go in through the tube and the tube was checked to see that the embryos had both gone, which they had.

We were then given a photo showing the embryos going in. It?s just a tiny white blob on the screen the size of the top of a pin, and an arrow pointing to the blob! We had about 20 minutes to rest and were told to test on Sunday 18th April (and provided with a test). Now we are in the two week wait!

On the way home I told DH I had named them, Emerald Jake and Laurel Daisy ? but I?ll just refer to them as Emerald and Laurel, which as inanimate objects could be names for anyone, male or female! To me Emerald Jake sounds like a superhero, Laurel Daisy sounds like a county and western singer! DH thought I was barmy for naming them. I?d already planned my names before-hand, of course!

DH made me scrumptious scrambled eggs on toast for lunch, how appropriate! I listened to Zita West about 3 times and fell asleep each time, which Zita says is OK!

Today is also a special day for me, it?s exactly 27 years since I became a Christian! I?ve always been glad it was the 2nd of April and not the 1st April.

I am praying and resting. My sister said to talk to the embies. I started talking to Emerald and Laurel but it turned into a prayer for them.

Waves to all, and chocolate

rowingboat · 02/04/2010 18:15

Hi all,
Italian, thank you for sharing your lovely story. It sounds as if Emerald and Laurel have found themselves a nice cosy new home.
Kiwi thanks sweetie! How are you?

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ILoveGregoryHouse · 02/04/2010 20:11

Italian a Good Friday for you. I so hope the very best for you and DH.

Re DS3, he's just a very determined, focused wee man with very high standards. All this and he's not even 2! We'll just have to Keep Calm And Carry On. It'll get better as his communication improves. I hope.

KiwiKat · 02/04/2010 22:10

Italian, splendid news. Am so happy for you! [Waves to all, then sneaks off to bed.]

gumblossom · 03/04/2010 00:39

Italian, I am so pleased for you.I just love that you called them Emerald and Laurel, gorgeous! It is great to see you with such a positive attitude. And guess what...scientifically speaking you are pretty well pregnant! I'll be praying for a positive test on the 18th.

Rowing,, I am sorry to hear you are feeling a bit down about the ivf.I think it is completely understandable, but try to think of this as a fresh new start, another chance, with just as much hope as when you started. I'll be keeping you in my preyers too (I hope you don't mind). Your disciplining ideas are brilliant and I will try them on my DS.

ILGH, Charlie is testing us out too.Our biggest problem is that he isn't saying many words yet and it is hard to understand him so he gets frustrated. Also, he wants only to play with all the things he shouldn't have - telephones,tv remotes,computers,sewing machine,textas,pens etc. And giving him the "toy" equivilant just doesn't work! It can be very frustrating for me because he rarely plays by himself, so it is hard to much for myself.I love to sew and knit, but just can't get to it because he'll destroy the place while I try! Having said that he is so much fun I love him to bits! We've just had a couple of days with him sick, but he's much better today thank goodness. We are preparing for an Easter dinner with DH's family tonight. I am making slow-cooked Greek lamb and rhubarb and plum clafouti. Yum!

So it'll be a busy day cos I have to get to the farmer's market this morning, tidy up and cook. I am lucky to have two very capable girls to give me a hand thankfully.

So have a wonderful Easter everyone. I am thinking it would be an appropriate time for my eggs to show up, but alas, no signs yet!!!

I just had to use the easter smilies, I hope you don't mind!

laurasmiles · 03/04/2010 01:09

HI all - here's wishing you a good Easter break whatever you are doing.

gumblossom your meal sound delish!!
Rowing I love your advice on working positively with children when their behaviour challenges....

Please go back to the affirmations though. Remember to just start to say them, allow yourself to feel exactly as you feel but just be open to saying those affirmations and see if over a little time they can help you refocus and keep your chin up. Perhpas you need to treat yourself a little....? No excuses needed!!

Italian Everything sounds as good as it could be - how exciting for you!! I shall be on the edge of my seat waiting to hear developments. Glad to hear your happiness and shining through. Go girl!

I'm off up North for my Dad's 70th tomorrow. The whole clan are meeting - all my Dad's children and grandchildren. He has seven daughters, one son, three grandsons, three granddaughters and a little one brewing in my sister's tummy. It's going to be a lovely get together. I'm still awaiting AF or a bfp (lots of bfn's so far); CD35 tomorrow

Off to sleep now - early start tomorrow. x

Italiangreyhound · 03/04/2010 02:03

Just wanted you to see that I can post about other people!

rowingboat what's up with the cysts and what will the treatment be? Am I right you are starting treatment early April or early May? I am not sure, is it frozen embryos you have got at the moment. I seem to remember that. Big thanks so much for your great words. Let?s hope they are going to stick! DD was a bit horrid to me again, maybe too much Horrid Henry on TV. So I took my diner went in the other room and said I was upset. We had a chat, she got upset and then when it was bedtime and I said daddy will put you to bed she said no, she wanted me! I think it is right to challenge her when she is rude to me, but I reassure her I will always love her whatever she says but other people (friends) will not like it if she is rude. What is the most annoying is that the comment came on the back of lots of nice things I had said we would do tomorrow, I guess I was fishing for compliments and she just said Daddy is the best parent in the world. It was a very grown up put down, she has a way with words and she can be quite rude but by her crying outburst I realised she has no idea what effect her words can have! Oh well, onward and upward! Echo what Gumblossom says about thinking of this as a new start, a new IVF. Each cycle whether fresh, frozen, donor or whatever is a new attempt. Our bodies are constantly renewing themselves and there is lots of evidence that FET cycles have some benefits due to there not being so many drugs in your system so if it is a FET this could be a good 'un.

ILoveGregoryHouse Yes, definitely good Friday this year. Thinking of you and your DS, I had not realised he was so young. Are all your kids close in age?

gumblossom yes loving the bunny smiles thanks for your prayers. I am so pleased I did not get laughed off the thread with my long-winded pretentious names! But I do love them. What is the story with you and weaning your little Charlie? Have you decided anything or found anything out? Wow slow-cooked Greek lamb and rhubarb and plum clafouti sounds wonderful, can I come to dinner too. My dear sis and her fab family are coming over for dinner tomorrow and we are having a cold buffet. easy for me! My family know all about the treatment but DH didn't want to tell his family unless it is successful, so they don't know. It is hard at times because I love them like a second family, especially my beloved mother-in-law and father-in-law, and I know now that if it does not work I will not be able to tell them about it ever or show them our little two celled twins!

Laurasmiles Thanks - what are these affirmations rowing? All the best for that elusive BFP, let's really hope for it. I'm sending a general prayer up for you all. I know we all want it so much. It's great though to be able to enjoy family get-togethers and life in general

Kiwi thanks.

Frosticle Did you run the donor egg thing past your DP and what did he think?

jollster how's it going?

Alba, Hippy and all thinking of you all. - yes Gumblossom I just wanted to use those bunnies too!

I?m pretty emotional tonight, just watched ?Guess who?

Italiangreyhound · 03/04/2010 02:10

Sorry that should be, just watched 'Guess who' and CRIED!

rowingboat · 03/04/2010 23:35

Hi all,
Thank you all for your support, once again, you are a bunch of sparkly stars.
ILGH you do have your work cut out don't you: feeling icky and dealing with sensitive toddlers. It is hard to keep calm, so hard. Hope your nausea improves soon. I think I did try ginger cordial which may have helped, plus stacks of rennie rapeze.

Laura thank you for the advice on affirmations. You are very wise, I think that is a good idea, to not go overboard, but introduce positive statements gradually.
Do you use them often yourself? Anything in particular?

Gum that is so sweet that you are thinking of me, thank you!
The meal does sound fantastic, you are quite an earth mother with all the fabulous cooking and farmer's markets. It gives me something to aspire to.
It must be great to have some practically 'grown-up helpers'. I love to hear of children being responsible for household tasks.

Italian I would have done the same thing I'm sure, I think walking away is good for both parties when things get a bit too heated.
She sounds like an intelligent and loving girl, but I think girls need to flex their relationship muscles more than boys (gross generalisation) if you know what I mean?!
Well done for keeping your cool and calm demeanour, not easy!

I am just waiting for AF (sometime in the next few days according to the scan) then can start the drugs (down-reg)for the frozen embryo transfer (FET). The nurse said it would be around 5 weeks from start to finish.
I still haven't one hundred percent decided whether to try for unmedicated, natural FET, which would be more like 6 weeks from AF.
The problem with natural FET is my cycle being a bit erratic, which could screw up the whole thing.

Italian you asked about affirmations, this is my experience.
I had heard of affirmations before, but never taken them seriously until I went for the second IVF. I thought I should try to do everything I could to maintain a positive, relaxed outlook so tried affirmations, amongst other things.
Basically, it's a statement which is positive and which, often allows you to believe you are already successful.
I think the idea is that if you believe you are already doing something, like carrying a baby, then you don't feel tense.
I actually use affirmations everyday now and have almost squished the negative self-talk that I lived with for years, so highly recommend.
Here are a couple of links if you fancy checking them out (I will read them myself as an inspiration as Laura suggested )
[[http://www.emofree.com/palace /palaceof1.htm#4 This one gives examples of cases where affirmations were used]
[http://www.vitalaffirmations.com/affirmations.htm#affirmations%20for%20abundance this is an introduction of the use of affirmations]

My child is currently pushing the bounds of acceptable bed time, he keeps going to the loo and having a sore tummy and needing to go the loo again....
The relaxing is going well, off to my folk's tomorrow for a meal and egg rolling.
I have picked up a cold from numerous people at nursery, so hoping the relaxing time will help squish the germs. I wondered why I was feeling so knackered. Does anyone else find they feel tired before a cold appears?

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rowingboat · 03/04/2010 23:37

Oops! Try those links again

This one gives examples of cases where affirmations were used
this is an introduction of the use of affirmations

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KiwiKat · 04/04/2010 13:13

Oooh Gum, I like the sound of your Greek lamb - would you mind sharing the recipe?

Rowing, not another cold! You've had a really rough time of it with your health, x.

Am just popping on to catch up with everyone's news - Happy Easter, all!

hippychick66 · 04/04/2010 18:02

Just popping on to say Happy Easter to all.

Am doing a special dinner so must not get distracted and let it burn - haha.

Italian am thinking of you and waiting to hear. Keep telling those two little-uns to hang around. xx

Hello to the newish people - laura and haystack. rowing hope you feel better soon. I also hope you are able to start feeling more positive about the FET treatment. I do think it makes a big difference. I've been listening to Zita a lot recently and I am feeling very positive.

So bloody positive that I think I will be very suprised when AF shows up - still I'll deal with that when and if. I am feeling that it is just a question of when we get our new baby not if and that is so much nicer than feeling how I did just after the MMC.

I am so glad I bought Toni whatsername's book. I would have missed the fact that I ovulated a bit early this month without it and would be happily SWI (shagging with intent) now, which would have been too late. As it is I think we timed it well this month and thanks to the book I feel like I really know my cycle now. Please note Hippy is not trying to endorse a product or encourage others to pay for it - she is mearly saying how much it has helped her .

Special wave to our pregnant ladies kiwi ILGH and TFLS. I think that's all of you (for now!!).

Also much love to Alba & Jolly.

Bye for now - I smell burning!!!!!!!(joke - don't panic).

Frosticle · 04/04/2010 18:11

Just popped in briefly before doing the vacuuming. DP has been having a nap for the last 3 hours (so, why did I get all dressed up to go out?) and DD is away with her father this weekend.

Italian thank you for sharing your experience with us in such detail - that was very special and kind of you. I'm really excited for you and can't wait until mid-April to hear!! We'll all be thinking of you.

I did ask DP about going down the donor egg route and he didn't dismiss it entirely. He looked some stuff up on the internet and said he thought in total it would cost about £20k (is that right?), we would probably struggle to get eggs because there's a big shortage and that because the process takes so long (from signing up to getting the fertilized eggs put in) that it would all be too late anyway (I was 45 in Jan). He also said he wanted my baby not someone else's but I know I could have worked him round on that one if that was the ony stumbling block.

So, despite my Doc saying that the ONLY thing anyone would try with someone my age would be ovum donation (perhaps she doesn't know about egg shortage and length of process?), I'm going back to ask her if I can try Clomid. Does anyone have a view on that as an idea?

Rowing best wishes for your treatment - really hope it works for you. You're so kind to everyone else, you deserve it. Hope you manage to shake off your cold too. Have you tried "First Defence"? I've been using it all winter at the first sign of a cold and each time it has worked at stopping the cold from developing. The earlier you use it the better. Brilliant stuff!

I'm hoping to see get an appointment at the docs on Tuesday morning before we get the train up to Edinburgh for a few days visiting see my parents.

Ooow, DP has finally surfaced - hoorah! Not going to complain about him sleeping the afternoon away as he bought me beautiful new shoes yesterday, has just offered to take me out for dinner (lucky me!) and I quite enjoyed the free time to get my jobs done anyway.

Happy Easter everyone!

rowingboat · 04/04/2010 21:13

Hi all,
it sounds as if you are all having a nice Easter.
We are just back from the folks, so another late night for the little'un. Never mind, nice lie-in tomorrow, followed by an early start for swimming lessons on Tuesday morning 'get in that icy cold water first thing in the morning' Poor old boy, he'll be in shock!

Thank you for your support you lovely women!

Frosticle thanks for the info. Funnily enough, I did use First Defence before Christmas and I do think it helped to protect me to a large degree. It was just such an onslaught from all angles: DP, DS, work, nursery friends. I'm sure I would have been worse without it though.
The sore throat seems to have gone now and the stuffiness so hopefully that is the end of that.
I don't know, but 20K seems a bit steep even for a donor cycle. I checked a couple of the nearest centres and it looked more like £5K.
I don't know about the availability, but there are some European clinics which are very successful an seem to have a more regular supply. I know Spain is very popular and you do have very stunning, Mediterranean type looks so finding a match would probably be easier for you than for fairer Brits.

Hippy you sound super-positive, I hope this is your month and you can get cracking with growing your own baby ASAP.

Kiwi woo'oo [waves] Did you have a few eggs or are you starting to feel a bit 'not in the mood for food?'

Still no AF. [rolls eyes] Might hit the ag.cast again. Rummages around looking for a suitable herbal remedy.

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Frosticle · 04/04/2010 23:33

jollster, gumblossom, Kiwi, rowing, haystack I'm back again. Have just read through everyone's comments re my donor egg query and wanted to say a BIG smiley thank you to you all for your encouraging feedback. Hey, maybe we'll revisit ovum donation thing!

I will go back to the docs and ask about Clomid but think I will also look further into ovum donation as maybe it doesn't have to take as long as DP thinks.

hippy sorry about your husband's job but there is definitely an upside for you. Also, I always find that when people don't get the job they thought they wanted it's because there's an even better one around the corner for them. Thanks also for enlightening me re what SWI stands for.

gumblossom · 05/04/2010 00:11

Hi everyone.

I can't believe I've been up since 6 am and it is almost 7 and my LO is still asleep.This is definately a first for me!

However we've had a run of bad nights and my back is killing me, so fair enough!

Kiwi I've put the recipe in the mumsnet recipes if you want to have a look. It is so easy and practically takes care of itself.

We had a nice Easter lunch at a friend's farm yesterday, but it was hard going with a toddler.Have any of you found that with old friends whose kids are all grown up or older, and their houses just aren't toddler proofed? I find I have to be super alert, even with my older children to help.It's tiring!

I try to have friends come here, but it's only fair we go out sometimes too! It was still nice to see them and we had a nice easter.

I just saw this fabulous fertility monitor on the netwww.naturallyforher.com/products/Lady-Comp, that doesn't require peeing on sticks, which I thought was great, but it does require a secong mortgage, so I won't be buying one. I also love the idea of the saliva monitorwww.naturallyforher.com/product/Ovacue-Fertility-Monitor, but still a bit pricey.

I had a clearblue monitor when I was ttc last time, but I had to buy the pee sticks from America as you can't even buy the monitor in Australia! So it was expensive to use and I sold it on ebay this year. However, it was very good, and I liked using it.
Australia is sometimes a bit backward in fertility stuff, but it does have some of the best IVF research going on I believe. But, even just the digital preg tests aren't available.You can get the old style ones that have a press in cartridge and just say "pregnant" (or "not pregnant" ). I would really like to use one that has the numbers on it too this next time, but I'll have to pay heaps in postage to get them from the UK. It's just silly isn't it?

Still, there's much worse things I could whinge about! Sorry. I am rabbiting on a bit(ha!)

Well, I have acupuncture again tomorrow. I no longer ask her to tweak my ovaries, because everytime I do she suggests that I need to wean my LO if I'm going to go for it, and still I'm finding it really difficult. He's been unwell this last week, and the boob is what has kept him comforted and hydrated. I suppose if we weaned he'd have something else to comfort him, but whilst he is sick I just can't say "no". I am really trying to give him less, and if I can get it down to three drinks(on the boob) a day over the next two weeks while DH is home, then I'll be pleased.Did any of you have toddler's still BF? Any ideas?

It's good to hear loads of positivity on this thread. Keep it up girls.

Italiangreyhound · 05/04/2010 01:20

Rowing hi, how?s it going? What is a natural FET? Does it just mean they pop the embies back in at the right time without meds? What are the pluses and minuses? I think for me there would need to be some pretty big pluses to go without the drugs!

I will look into the affirmations. I do believe in being positive, so I wish you all the best for your positive thinking. I have been trying ?I am pregnant with twins? quite a bit! My friend is a bit worried I will end up pregnant with one and be disappointed! I won?t be disappointed, honest! But I just feel that until I know otherwise I have got to assume both will make it. I am currently watching the Parent trap! For those who don?t know it is about twin girls separated at birth who meet up at a girls camp (originally with Hayley Mills but this version is the re-make with Lindsey Lohan ? pre all her naughty behaviour in public ? she is about 11 in this!). Anyway, when DH and I first met we saw this film together and that Christmas I bought identical doll Christmas tree decorations (tiny ones) and maybe I had this little fantasy that we would have twins one day! Call me crazy. Anyway, I am not thinking of this, I know twins are hard work and one baby would be just fine, thanks. I guess I just know that as of last week there were two in there and I have to assume the best! Does that sound crazy!

KiwiKat Yes, I liked the sound of that dinner. But I am not sure Gumblossm that I could pull it off!

hippychick66 what was the special meal? We had sausage casserole cooked by DH, slightly spoilt by DD?s tantrums!

Frosticle the cost of IVF with donor eggs is not that high. For us it was about £5K. Maybe a bit more. We did also have to pay about £900 for ICSI but that cost would be the same for anyone who needed it and would not be there if your DP didn?t need ICSI (obviously). I know £5K is a lot but it is not £20,000. The length of time for the wait depends on all the different options so the only way to get a good idea is to contact the local clinics where you are and ask about the key thing, availability, cost and also the upper age limit for patients, and, if you are willing to look into this, to find out about overseas clinics. One thing I found out from reading another thread is that the donors are not necessarily from the country where the clinic is, it is just that that country has different laws about donor eggs, so if you wanted to use a clinic abroad you could ask about colouring etc and see what is relevant. Good luck and keep us posted, please. If I were you, personally, and you did decide on DE I would get on a list and then also investigate Clomed. Just my opinion. But you can?t be on Clomed for too long, your clinic will advise about that.

I can honestly say from the moment the clinic told me about the embies I felt they were mine. In no way do I feel that these embies I am currently, hopefully, carrying are not mine. At first, when it was just eggs, I could think of our darling donor producing eggs but now they are embies and are inside me, I am thinking o them as mine. So I am just saying that for your DP, Frosticle, that he would probably not really notice any big difference if you felt happy about it.

Italiangreyhound · 05/04/2010 01:25

gumblossom I totally know what you mean about friend?s homes not being toddler proofed. We have mostly friends with same age kids but a few with no kids and a few with older kids. A dear friend had us to stay for a while which was fab but she wanted my dd to sit in a high chair (at three) and that was recipe for disaster. Her house was not really suitable for a three-year-old (this was a couple of years ago) and also her parenting style was quite different, all put them to bed and leave them - where as we were much more ?attached? and found it quite hard. Went on hols the following year with equally minded parents and found it easier!

Went to church this morning and they had a kind of ?open mike? in that you could share what God was doing in your life from the front (I mean speaking and not singing!). I thanked God for his kindness to me; I didn't go into any details about what it was. (I am just very moved that God has given me this chance to be pregnant again, I know technically I'm not yet but there you go!) I got quite emotional just saying a few brief words - and several people thanked me for sharing. We had a relaxing day and I am enjoying my great big chocolate egg from lovely DH and DD (Galaxy egg with a bag each of Revels, Maltesers and Minstrels, yum)

My boobs are aching and I have gone off tea a bit but with the amount of drugs in my system that could be anything. Anyway, no more from me for the night!

Waves and best wishes to all

KiwiKat · 05/04/2010 12:31

I hope you don't mind if I continue hanging out here? One November ante-natal thread is huge and impersonal, another one seems to be all 22 year olds - although thank God I have ILGH and one or two others from this and the Asst Concept threads - but when I'm on them I miss talking to people I've got to know and care about (you guys) - so if no one minds, I'd like to stick around.

hippychick66 · 05/04/2010 14:04

kiwi of course you can hang about here. I think with mumsnet you find people who are like minded and who you get along with and you just wanna hang out with them.

We would be sorry if you didn't hang out with us - dummy!

italian Still keeping everything crossed for you. I'm sure your friend just wants you to be happy and is worried that you'll get hung up on twins. Personally I'd much prefer just the one baby . But I do understand your need to root for both of them. I have seen the film you mentioned - all very believeable - haha. Hang on in there embies .

rowing Keep positive, just look at Kiwi's recent experience. You can do it!!

Frosicle Thanks for your words of wisdom re: job. I have found that in life as well. Maybe the right one is just round the corner and in the meantime we'll have time to make a baby. I hope you are able to make a decision re: donor eggs etc. Perhaps if Italian has good news for us in a couple of weeks it will make you more keen.

Hi to all the rest of you lovely ladies.

italian Just cajun salmon and my in-famous roast potatoes - (I'm famous for them) Well the family like them anyway!

rowingboat · 05/04/2010 21:26

Hi all,
Kiwi of course you can hang out here, we are your mukkers now aren't we! Just pop-in whenever you want we will be here.

Italian sounds like a lovely day yesterday. We went to my mum's church where they do an Easter egg roll. DS was completely freaked-out by the huge crowd and 'shouty man' who did the 'ready steady go'. He refused to go and stand with the other children. Later he discovered some other children and toys in the church hall and was quite happy again.
I know what you mean about different styles. I find dodgy nutrition difficult when you go for lunch at someone else's house. One friend only serves sausages and pizza.

Hippy thank you darling! I am trying. Sob!
No must look at the positive thinking site tonight. But first, where on earth is AF!?!?!?

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Italiangreyhound · 05/04/2010 22:52

Please KiwiKat continue to hang around here. We love ya.

Hippy don?t think I will go the whole hog of the film, the couple separate and the twins are identical, so I won?t go to extremes!

rowingboat yes, dodgy children's food, why do restaurants and pubs always offer pizza, sausage and fish fingers!

I echo Hippy stay positive, try those affirmations.

Actually forgot for 10 minutes I'd had treatment! Weird, just sort of forgot it, after all the drugs, pesseries, being careful lifting etc I thought I would never forget!

liahgen66 · 05/04/2010 23:13

Hi there,

Can I join? I know a few already and need a new place to go. Am on mc thread and the buses but to be honest I need to forget a bit sometimes about the charts and ewcm.

Can I just say thank you so much to italian and rowing for sharing your experiences, it certainly brought a tear to my eye italian the story of your lo's conception.