Continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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Hello world!

Have just been reading back to familiarise myself with some of the newer people and I read your return rainbow. I think i must have missed it before cos I was shocked to see thet you'd had 6 MC's in 2 years.

I cannot imagine how awful that must be for you. I still feel robbed cos i've lost one baby . You must be an incredibly strong person and also very determined.

Just wanted to send a little bit of praise your way cos I really am amazed at your resilience.

What have the doctors said about the multiple MC's? I'm sure you must have seen someone after the third one.

What are they planning to do for you if/when you get a BFP???

I feel a bit of a wimp now, dedicating songs to my lost little one when you've been through it so many more times.

You defo deserve success next time.

Hi all,

Jollster how is the house selling? My neighbour is selling her flat and she is hating the tidying. But all worth it if you get a good price.

Alba how is your rib, I hope it is improving?

Ghengis I do remember you, and what lovely news. Everything crossed for you.

Gum has Charlie got any more teeth coming, or are you having a period of respite?

Diege I hope those teeth come through soon. I remember I used to give my DS frozen peas inside a knotted sock to help freeze his gums. I have heard of a variation with frozen fruit, but peas are usually easier to come by.
How old is your DS?

Hippy how are you getting on with the cream?

Frosticle I knooow about the Easter eggs. I have been having little 'snacks' as well. [guilty face] I think my LO has forgotten where they are....for now.... Can't wait to hear your progress on the donor option, you are so not too old for that.

Italian how are you sweetie. Hope you are taking it easy and thinking about something else for a little while. If you want some info about the donor eggs in Europe drop me an email (in fact anyone who is interested please email) it's woofycreature at gmail dot com (carefully concealed email there, but you get the general idea I'm sure).

Rainbow when is the smear test? I can't remember if you can have them after becoming pg, perhaps worth checking. They are nerve-wracking at the best of times.
Personally, I would rather get that out of the way rather than have it on my mind, but I'm neurotic.

Linda how are you getting on. You are sounding very positive, hope that transfers to a pg test soon.

My news is that I bought some OPKS and some cheeky pg tests on Ebay, in case the clinic doesn't supply them.
I just wanted to see if everything was happening at the right time. So tried one on day 13, but before 10am (which isn't right) but anyway got a positive for ovulation, which I think is between 12-36 hours after the positive, then had horrible ovulation pains on the evening of day 14, couldn't sleep. So I reckon I'm back to normal.
Have stopped the ag.castus because I think it makes me feel a bit depressed if I take it during LP, and it makes my cycle too long.
Fascinating/boring fact - I have just worked out that ovulation day goes back a day each month, so it's Thursday this month, which means it will probably be a Wednesday next month. I know you guys probably all know this, but I'm not so good with the arithmetic.
I was a bit worried that because the transfer is 3 days after ovulation that it might coincide with the clinic being closed on a Sunday, but now I don't think it will.
It's blooming hard work all this prediction isn't it!!

Have been dealing with RL for the last week, and it's been busy on here while I've been away.

Lindalinda, you're in the right place on this thread - we all want another little one, and they're a fantastic, supportive bunch here. You couldn't find a better group - they've got me through some pretty rough times when I've been down, and you've been through/are going through a pretty rough time. But I love the fact that you're looking to the future already.

Italian, have posted on the Asst Conc thread x

Rainbow, what did you decide to do?

Ghengis - splendid news!!

Waves to Rowing and all the rest of you lovely ladies. Am off to wash the windows and the curtains. Blah!

Hippy I heard someone singing your michael buble song whilst out shopping with DSD not long afteryou mentioned it first time around. DSD said the singer was dreadful, I didn't know the song and she told me it was something by michael buble, then moments later out belted 'I just haven't met you yet' and it was all I could do not to burst into tears (very embarrassing and uncool for a 14yr old to witness) so I bit my tongue VERY hard instead. Was so sad and poignant despite the pretty poor singer... I wanted to explain to DSD the poignancy but I just knew I couldn't do it without crying...

Anyhoo, in the back of the car iPhone typing and it's making me feel a bit sick so will have to pass on more namechecking. Can I just say everything rowing said??all so beautifully put

right, posting before I throw up...

alba I have to actually switch off my ears if I hear the 'haven't met you yet' song when I'm out and about. I think it's the line about whenever it's right you'll come out of nowhere and into my life. It gives me a lot of hope but also makes me go blaaaaahhhhh!!

Hope all are ok.

Not much to report about the cream so far. My boobs feel a bit tingly but i think they do for the second half of my cycle anyway. I love that tingly boob feeling (I can kid myself I'm preg!.)

Just realised that saying I love tingly boobs makes me sound a bit pervy.

Alba I hope you felt better immediately after sending that message.
What is it about reading in a car or on a bus, barf! One of my exes revealed that his mother had told him to read in order to overcome his travel sickness, but it didn't work. You don't say!
Hippy hope you are enjoying your boobs, we have to take our pleasures where we find them.
I'm sure it is a symptom of good progesterone levels.

thanks for your concern rowing, the nausea didn't go away, and the exhaustion is really extreme (both explainable symptoms given the reading in the car and that DS hasn't been sleeping too well)... but it's a really familiar nausea, so I couldn't contain my curiosity this morning.

Not first pee of the morning, was too tired for even thinking about digging out sticks first thing... so I figured rather than waste the only clearblue that I'd stashed away in difficult to find spot and tried to pretend wasn't in the house, I'd try an opk and if that was clearly positive, I'd then try the CB to confirm it wasn't the pre-AF LH surge... both very clearly BFP

On usual cycle I'd be due AF today, am probably 13 or 14 dpo. So feeling pretty confident. Nowhere near as early, or as faint, as last month. Not really early testing at all. But sorry Diege for not waiting...

I'm feeling really happy now, ready to get up and face the world, the feeling rough isn't PMT or lack of sleep, I really am pg!!

alba You little minx, you snuck that in!

Congrats to you. I don't think it's too early if you are due on today and I'm over the moon for you. Glad it isn't as faint as before. All sounds very positive.

I don't know why they say people on MN don't need a hug icon!!!!! (((())))Hippy Hug xx.

alba and it was conceived in an exotic location!! How fab.

thanks Hippy... doesn't seem real yet, but I'm so happy it was an almost instant big blue cross! Crossing fingers now that you'll be joining me this month.

Alba I'm delighted for you I didn't realise af was due so soon - def not an early result! You know I was going to post yesterday about the travel sickness being a symptom, but didn;t want to appear obsessive
Well I've 'hidden' my box of e-bay tests under the bed...better than next to the loo as before. Have had a few more moments of weakness, but have calculated that, at very best, I am only 10 days post-ov, at worst 7 days, so really not a good idea. I think I will test wednesday anyway, 2 days before af due, which still gives small possibility of a bfn as being 'too early', while at the same time giving me time to get my head around a bfn. Congrats again, you've made my day
Hippy, are you next to test?

diege think you are defo ahead of me for testing. I'm only about 4 days past ovulation.

Feeling really pleased for alba and the others. it's nice to get some BFP's on here.

I think the cream is defo having an effect, cos my boobs still feel tingly. Have to keep reminding myself that it's just a side effect of the cream and nothing exciting!!!

How is everyone else. Italian, Liagen TFLS, ILGH, Jolly, linda - how are you all doing? Sorry if I missed anyone off.

• all for you alba

Hey HIPPY, you never know, the tingly boobs may well be the effect of conception, although I take your point of it being very early in the 2ww. Sounds like the cream is having an effect though.
Alba have you worked out a due date yet, or is that a silly question?
Right, I have definitively decided that testing day is Thursday. Out too early with with work tues/weds, so Thurs it will have to be!

Alba YAY! How brilliant - I think it's the Clearblue cross that's a good omen (superstitious? Moi?) will you make into Dec EDD?
I still haven't posted in ante -natal threads yet as don't want to jinx...!

Alba - congrats. how exciting and so encouraging to have a clear bfp straight away.

Well I am completely crazy, I am cd7 (yes not even near ovulation yet!) and feeling pregnant, what is going on, my hormones must really be shot to pieces at the moment. Either that or I have completely lost the plot!

ghengis I know what you mean about popping over to the other side. I started my over 40 preg thread when i was 7 weeks (and then lost the pregnancy ).

I think if i get another BFP I wont go over to the other side until after 12 weeks.

Yes hippy - we all believe you .

Well that's what I think now, but who knows what will happen if i get the much coveted second blue line or the word 'pregnant' if i'm feeling flash.

Hope you are all getting the support you need. Those first weeks are so exciting but also scary and goodness knows what it's like after a recent MC.

Try to just enjoy the news and feel postive.

xxx

Hi all,
wow Alba that's great I'm in shock! You must be thrilled. Talk about a surprise, you had me convinced it wasn't going to happen this month.
Great news!

Who's next then???

Alba, splendid news! Get yourself over to the thread Hippy started as soon as you feel up to it - Hippy, I'm sure we'll be seeing you and your tingly boobs back over there soon too. In fact, I won't be content until we get everyone on this thread over there!!!

Ghengis and Alba you have made my week - congratulations!!

I went straight for my DD's mini eggs and had a few to celebrate!

Btw, I'm pleased that I'm not alone in my shaweful/guilty habit of stealing my child's Easter Eggs. I have convinced myself it is partly in her own interests (not sure DD would see it that way though) - she gets so many chocolates and sweets given to her. She still hadn't got through the Xmas chocolate when the Easter eggs arrived. You know, I think I'm kind of saving her from it.

Diege LOL about the pink one!

Italian thank you for your lovely comment. Very happy about that. There were other less falttering photos I could have posted, of course. I'm 45 now but yes, 44 when the photo was taken. However, I've just got a fab new camera this weekend to take photos of DD with (a present from DP to celebrate his new job) and the photos are so sharp/clear they show every line, wrinkle and eye bag so I'm under no illusions.

My DP has agreed we can go to a fertility clinic so I'll be investigating that this week and hopefully making us an appointment somewhere very soon. No idea how to go about choosing one though - need to find out. Top-tips anyone? I'm thankful for living in London - plenty of choice.

We've just had a brilliant weekend. I'm so grateful for having my DP - he's really supportive and loving - I'm extremely lucky.

Btw, hippy I saw your posts about the songs. I had a beautiful (inside and out), amazing boyfriend who died in 2002. A song that came out around that time was "Days Go By" by Dirty Vegas. I would listened to it incessantly and cry. The lyrics so resonated with how I felt about losing him that it could have been written for me. Great tune too - I LOVE it!

Rowing I am plucking up courage to email you! Hope you are well.

Alba excellent, well done, brilliant.

Hippy Hope your tingling boobs turn out to be conception connected!

Ghengis am I right in thinking you have got a bfp?

Frosticle Yes, you are saving your DD from chocolate; I always try to do the same for my DD! I think black and white photos look lovely; they tend not to show up the wrinkles!

Re clinics and donor eggs (I posted smoothing similar to someone on assisted conception so apologies for repetition!) - I'll tell you my considerations and you can let me know if you want to ask anything. I wanted a clinic where the child (if there was one) could trace the donor one day if they wished to. This may not be everyone's consideration, but it was mine. I think this rules in the UK and the USA (and maybe other places too) and rules out some other European places. No idea about the rest of the world. If this is not a consideration for you, then you can include all clinics that you like. I chose to go with a clinic that was close to home, but still about 1 and half hours away, but which did not involved going into London on public transport! My own dislike of tubes
and buses etc! (By tubes I mean the underground not fallopian ones).

However, if you are actually in London, then it does make sense to go for a London clinic.

some clinics said if we had a child already (as we do) that we would not be eligible for donor eggs, because they did not have enough. My understanding is that you can either find a clinic that will recruit a donor for you, or find your own donor, I felt it was too hard to find my own donor and did not go down that route - having said that, if I were to do it again I would consider that if it felt right. For me it was logical to look at all clinics within driving distance of where we live, speak to them by phone and find out a few key things - their prices, their waiting lists, their upper age limit, and also look at their success rates. We chose the closest clinic with best results and reasonable costs which treated people of my age. When you look at it that way you find that some clinics rule themselves out for one reason or another. Ours offered altruistic donors and egg sharers and some have only very few egg sharers per years. If you are CMV positive (or DH is) then the wait is shorter usually so you may find that you could use a UK clinic and not wait too long. I also wanted to make sure the clinic would store any embryos so that was a consideration for us. Hope this helps.

Apologies to all that I have not been able to keep up with all the stories.

Waves and

My news is that DH and I finally had a chat about our treatment failing (yes, a week later). We are both so busy and DH doesn't really like to chat about things too much. I think he was hoping for some s*x but instead got me, a glass of wine and a whole mess of tears! What came out of our discussions was that he would consider trying again with fertility treatment. He is much more keen to adopt, although nervous about everything because of money, we are not poor but DH is just very cautious about money and having another child by any means, and possibly my working less, would mean possible financial repercussions.

It has answered one question for me straight away, I am being made redundant this summer and a good job has come up at work and I am going to go for it, I will see if it is possible to be a job share or part-time and if yes, I will go for it. That should put hubby's fears at rest for a while (even if I don't get it - it shows willing!).

I am now quite torn, DH says I am a very good parent (praise indeed from someone who does not offer his opinions lightly) but I am still very nervous about adoption, about parenting a child who has been hurt perhaps already in life. I am not worried about loving a child that has come from elsewhere (than me) - I mean I quite grew to love the hamster we looked after, didn?t I? Yes, I am being flippant but I am not worried about lack of love on my part but maybe not being able to cope etc.

At least DH is open, which means if we do choose adoption I will not resent him for not allowing me another go. It is frustrating you can?t do both together, you have to be committed to one or the other, adoption or fertility. I do understand that and why, I guess I have never been good at making up my mind. If there really is a child out there that we could parent then I almost want to go for that option but I am just scared and still raw from the whole IVF thing. I think I need a break from it all.

But I will hang around here and on the assisted conception thread a bit too if you don?t mind. Off to post a similar message on the assisted conception thread so Kiwi please don?t both reading it twice!

Waves and chocs to all

Alba lovely,exciting news.Congratulations.

It is so heartening to see all the bfp's, keeps me hopeful.

Alba, remind me again of your age?

Well,I spent yesterday afternoon busily making a a quilt cover for Charlie,for his cot, in the hope that he'll sleep in it! Until now we have been sharing a double bed in his room, and DH has been in the main bedroom. So I decided we'd move things around a bit.We took the side off the cot and pushed it against our big bed so we could all sleep together...It was a great idea and we spent ages moving furniture yesterday. But Me and the LO ended up in our double bed anyway because I couldn't sleep with my DH's snoring!!!! I'm so used to the quiet snuffling of my LO, so his loud snoring kept me awake...so off to the other room at 1 am!

I had hoped that sleeping together (me and DH) might give us more ttc chances IYKWIM! I'm not ready to give up yet.We'll keep trying.Maybe he could drink a little less red wine.Any suggestions appreciated!

Other good news is that I got on the Wii yesterday for the first time since new years and I've lost 2.3 kg!(about 5 pounds I think)Very pleased with that.Hoping to lose quite a bit more, it would be good to be lighter before carrying a baby in the belly ,and if that doesn't happen,it'd just be better being slimmer...

So, by now you probably have gathered that I'm a bit "fruity" - what with "Mia's spell" and psychic readings...a bit like the pee on a stick hobby! Well, the tarot lady said May/June this year, the psychic said prepare in May and reap rewards in September, and an "Intuitive" said early next year. I really trust the intuitive as she seems to have been right in many other ways. But it remains to be see.I'd happily take a bfp in May! Having said that, when these predictions don't come true,I am not upset.It's a bit of fun.

Rowing, what's your next step? Rainbow,it is good to have you back. Should we do a roll call to keep up with everyone?I'm losing track a bit.

Gum 43, ttc baby no.6,cycleday?

Gum 43, ttc baby no.6,cycleday?
Diege 39.11m, ttc baby no.5, cd 25.

Morning! Wow, lots of chat, I'm losing track too!
Gumblossom sounds very positive on all counts, weight-wise and predicition too.

Italian that sounds really positive about your attitude to adoption - Do you think you'll go down the fertility treatment route first before considering it? My sister had the same dilemma and in the end they decided on adoption (she has one ds) and are currently waiting on the social worker.

Frosticle your dp sounds great, and that's good news about the clinics. I'm sure they'll be lots of stories on MN about the 'best' ones.

Rowing meant to say thanks about the frozen peas tip! I'll bear it in mind, though he's suffering a little less at the moment as one of the top teeth has come throuhg now, Nanny Macphee style . He's 10.5 mths, and think he'll be in the teething business for the long haul by the look of his mouth.

Alba Has the BFP sunk in yet? When are you due??

Well I am that close to testing, but am trying my very best to be strong. I'm working from home today so v. difficuly to resist, but I know if I get through today it'll be Thursday before I have a chance anyway, so will hold on. I think.

Gum 43, ttc baby no.6,cycleday?
Diege 39.11m, ttc baby no.5, cd 25.
Rainbowdays 42, ttc baby no.4 cd 9

Diege - keep away from the evil pee sticks, they will only cause you upset whatever the result, wait until Thursday!

Italian - I know what you mean about hard making the decision adopting vs fertility treatment. It is a tough choice. I am not going down the adoption route, but seriously contemplating fostering, but I need to have stopped ttc before we start doing that for my own sanity.

kiwikat - has RL settled back down for you?

Hippy - hope that you get a chance soon to find out if you can resist going over to the other side til 12 weeks!

Well I have to confess to making a decision by default now regarding whether to try this month or not. We did not use contraception last night (oh no!). But I will be keeping dh away for the next few nights and be going for my smear on friday. So it is not really a trying, but also not avoiding month really! Sounds terribly indecisive.