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Assisted Conception (and the bits in between) Volume 5

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Bumpless · 23/03/2010 10:02

Thought I'd set us up a new home! kettle's on and choc tin open.

This is a lucky start to our new thread: 2 BFPs and a fantastic fertilisation rate from Dueling!

Boobs and biscuits to everyone

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KiwiKat · 18/04/2010 10:47

Penfold and Capricorn, hurrah! Fab news!

IDream, I'll be thinking of you (and the Super Follies) tomorrow too.

Hope the christening isn't too tricky, Cerubina. Moomaker, hope we get good news about dh's job interview.

The TWW does seem to last forever, but hang in there, Ginger. Tuesday's the day, is that right?

Dueling, no more worrying! Hard to do, but try to chill if you can.

MM, glad things are pootling along for you, but sympathise with the pain of the blood taking - ouch!

3G, how are you doing?

DuelingFanjo · 18/04/2010 13:47

Good luck Idream will be thinking of you

gingerwine · 18/04/2010 16:19

Hi girls

Good luck Idream. Hope you get some super eggs tomorrow.

Not good here i'm afraid. The spotting stopped and I cheered up a bit but now it's back and my boobs don't feel sore or anything. Took a first response test this morning, no surprise BFN. Official test day is Wed but I think it's pretty clear where this is going.

Gutted. Can't stop crying. Off away for 5 days tomorrow. Planning on hibernating in my hotel room when not at the course I'm on! At least I can drink wine!!!

Idreaminhotchocolate · 18/04/2010 18:03

Hi there,

Thank you to everyone for your good wishes for tomorrow. I'm feeling quite cool labout everything at the moment - just off for a nice curry with DH

Gingerwine - I'm really sorry and I hope you start to feel better soon. Is it definitely not too soon to test?

Italiangreyhound - if you're out there I'm thinking about you. I even said a little prayer for you this morning when I was lying in bed xxxxxx

gingerwine · 18/04/2010 20:22

Thanks Idream. I don't really know about the testing thing. I know others have got positives on day 11 which is today. I don't know if anyone has had a BFN and then gone on to get a BFP. I suppose it is possible but I just have a gut feeling that it's not happened for us. (Would so love to be wrong though)

I don't know what to do next. All my dreams of our future involve us with a baby.

How are you Italian?

gleegeekgleek · 18/04/2010 21:16

Hello all,
Sorry I've been awol.

Gingerwine - I think it might still be a bit early. Is it the equivalent of 11 dpo?? Your EC was the same day as mine wasn't it?

I did a First Response too this am. It was blank really but if you tilted it there was a tiny almost invisible grey line so it's inconclusive. I have tested early when I had two bfps (one turned into ds and the other ended in m/c).

I hope your trip at least distracts you a tiny bit Ginger.

Idream - good luck for tomorrow - hope it all goes well.

Hi to everyone else.

gingerwine · 18/04/2010 21:48

Hi 3G Hope you're ok. I so hope you are right and it is too early. Don't think I'll bother testing again til Wed. Feel like AF is trying to start again. Back to being Grumpywine I'm afraid!

Idreaminhotchocolate · 18/04/2010 22:12

Right, my bag's packed and I've got a liitle bag of snacks for DH (he gets terribly grouchy when he's bored and hungry) and my alarm's set for 5.30am (gotta leave at 6.30am to get to Manchester for 9am through the rush hour traffic). Thank you all again for your positive wishes - I'll let you know how I get on.

gingerwine - will you be able to check in with us next week?

Night all xxxx

MercenaryMom · 18/04/2010 22:36

Good luck Idream! I'll be thinking positive thoughts for you tomorrow!

gingerwine · 18/04/2010 23:11

Loads and loads of eggy luck Idream. Hope you are in bed now and getting some sleep.

I may be able to check in while I'm away. In theory there is complimentary internet but we'll have to wait and see! If not I will be back on Friday.

I may have to get my DH to check in for me if I can't actually, cos I want to know how you all are.

GW

Italiangreyhound · 19/04/2010 03:47

I painstaking read back through the thread for assisted conception and feisty and forties and made notes in a notepad on my pc without saving it. Just as I got to the final bit my pc updated something, the screen went blue and the only bit to be lost was what I had been doing for mumsnet chums!
So, because it is late and I can?t face going back over it again, I will just say hello to any new people, please tell me more about agnus castus (anyone who can), all best luck for the lovely people on the two week wait, congrats to those who have just got positives and sorry for those who have got negatives. I think I do know exactly who you all are but I don?t want to risk making a mistake! I am thinking of my chocobunny pal for tomorrow and I am posting the same thing on both threads so Kiwi, please ignore one!

Long post, only read if you are interested.
Sadly, our fertility treatment with donor eggs, did not work. The embryos I named Emerald and Laurel did not hang on and the test was negative.

I did the test on Friday at Spring Harvest (an Easter Christian event at Butlins, yes, I know it sounds odd but it is amazing). Before I went away I had been quite positive and in a totally mad way was even hoping for it to be two of them. But once I got away a kind of calm resignation seemed to settle and I could almost imagine it being a negative result. I got up on Friday, after a pretty restless night, desperate for a pee and did the test. It was negative. I felt very sad, cried a bit, went back to bed and cried a bit more.

Spring Harvest has a 'pastoral' team, which means they are counsellors but don?t really counsel you, they just listen and pray for you. So DH and I went to see them. It was a bit like a French farce, I popped my head in the door and they could see us straight away, which I wasn?t expecting! I needed the loo and was about to head off when they said they had a loo and showed me to it, I was trying to text DH to say come to the pastoral chalet now and he called to say I still had DD's coat and then I had to go and give him the coat and left my phone in the loo. It was a bit of hilarity in an otherwise sad situation. I said to the pastoral team, do you want to know our problem? They said no. We went to the room and I toyed with the idea of pretending DH had been having an affair, but decided to stick to the truth! The lady we got had worked for 20 years in adoption services so was just the right person for us. She was kind and helpful and we chatted and then she prayed. I used up a lot of tissues and then we left.

Through the day and the following couple of days, while I waited to re-do the test, I felt a kind of resignation.

I felt very close to God as we sang songs about being God's friend, and I felt kind of lifted up above the situation. It is hard to describe and I really hope I don't come down to earth with a bump. My sister described me as resilient, and I hope I am but I hope on a deep level I am also accepting this, I don't want to feel sorry for myself, even though I think I have the 'right' to if I want!

Also, I guess the fact we do have DD already makes it easier to bear and the fact that DH is open to adopting makes it easier. I did ask the clinic about donor embryos but they are even rarer than eggs, and the wait could be two years. I think we have our answer. If we were younger or richer or did not have a child, or perhaps all three, I would definitely press on, but now I do feel resigned to it. I am sad, still, and a bit raw. It is hard to explain to people. I know we are lucky to have DD but that does not totally take away the pain of this failing and so it is hard to explain to people how it feels. I am still glad we did it, glad we waited a year and glad we spent the £5K. I would not want to have not tried but I do just feel very sad, still, that it failed.
I am now getting excited about the prospect of not having to have fertility treatment and looking into adoption. But I will probably harbour a secret fantasy for the next few months that I will miraculously get pregnant by myself (well, not totally by myself!).

I am planning a book about the whole fertility road, maybe it will also include adoption if we get that far, maybe I will never get it published! I have already got the title, I think it will be to do with hamsters, guinea pigs or rabbits... note to self, must get DD a pet!
This all sounds quite jolly and the reality is that if I think about it for too long I could feel quite bitter. But I don?t want to feel like that. There is enough sadness in the world. I am sure given time it will all feel better. God has been a source of joy to me while away and continues to be with me in this.

Best wishes to you all. I will lurk a bit longer probably and then find a new thread for adoption.

Cerubina · 19/04/2010 08:48

Oh Italian. I am so terribly sorry to hear that neither of the little ones stuck around. You must be heartbroken, although your natural disposition and resilience is helping you to cope, but I know how disappointed you must be after such a long and arduous journey. Bitterness would be only natural, sadness is also absolutely appropriate. Don't try to stop yourself feeling whatever emotions come up - anger, grief, jealousy, acceptance, relief, etc etc - because this is all part of the infertility/assisted conception journey. Cry when you want to, rant to us on here (although I don't have you down as a ranter), get some coathangers and hit (inanimate) things, pray, do whatever you have to do.

I think you are right to consider it a step worth taking, so you know that you tried everything in your power to make it work, and I know you won't regret doing it. I'm just so sorry that it didn't give you the ultimate reward for all your hard work, resolve, bravery, good humour and faith. I hope you will stick around on here or at least pop in from time to time, remember that we are all here to help you get through this time and know what you've been through.

God bless.

gleegeekgleek · 19/04/2010 11:42

Italian. Sorry to hear your news. I hope you are okay, considering.

Did another First Response which was negative. It's now the equivalent of 12dpo and I'm not hopeful as by now previously I had faint lines. Reckon I'm in for a bfn.

Horton · 19/04/2010 12:52

Sorry to hear about all the BFNs. Love and strength to all.

Italian, very sorry to hear your news. I for one will miss you on this thread and hope to bump into you elsewhere on the boards.

Penguindreams · 19/04/2010 16:38

Really sorry to hear about the BFNs. IG, you sound completely lovely and things will work out for sure. Not saying (as if any of us could here) that it will definitely be another child for you, but things will work out the way they're meant to. If faith is anything, it's that, I think. I'm glad you had a wonderful trip away, it sounds like a fabulous time.

G3, waaay too early to count yourself out. I went for a blood test at 18DPO and was told by the nurse that that was early.

Gingerwine, hope it's way too early for you too!

Idream, looking forward to the eggy update!

Hello to everyone else!

I'll be poking my head round the door a little more often now - should be ringing the clinic to start the FET cycle in a few days. Still takes forever - doesn't seem to be any shorter than a fresh cycle but no injections. Feeling fairly meh about it, but sure I'll get more into it when it starts!

Has anyone heard from Islegrin? I emailed her a little while back but haven't heard. Isle, where are yoooouuu?!

Idreaminhotchocolate · 19/04/2010 20:10

Hi ladies,

Italian - I am so so sorry for you and very sad. I'll post to you properly tomorrow.

I've had a bit of a rough day, but first the good news - I got 5 eggs!! I was expecting 4 at the most as I only had 4 large follicles on Friday.

Unfortunately I had a bit of a bad reaction to the aneasthetic and / or procedure so spent all day in the hospital and had to have 2 drips as I appeared to be very dehydrated. Everytime I tried to pee I couldn't as it was too painful and I had 2 "funny turns". I just feel tired and thirsty now and my legs feel like bambi.

I'll check back in tomorrow.

Love and hugs to all xxxxx

gleegeekgleek · 19/04/2010 21:51

Fantastic about the 5 eggs but poor you about the reaction. It sounds terrible.
I hope a good night's sleep helps you feel better.

Idreaminhotchocolate · 20/04/2010 11:19

Just had "The Call" - we only got 1 embryo. 3 eggs weren't good enough to fertilise and the other didn't last the night. Pretty upset right now.

PenfoldsGlasses · 20/04/2010 12:40

Hi everyone

Just caught up on past posts

Italian - I am so sorry to read your news, your post was so eloquent and I know that any child adopted by yourself and your DH will be extremely lucky to be placed with you. Please keep strong.

Gingerwine I hope you are doing ok and stepping away from the tests!

Idream Im sorry you feel upset but look at it this way - that one embryo has battled it's way through for you today and it only takes one. Will be rooting for you.

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Cerubina · 20/04/2010 16:55

Sorry to hear that Idream. Perfectly illustrates the rollercoaster of IVF doesn't it - one minute you're delighted to get 5 eggs, the next minute you're upset to hear they didn't all make it. I would be feeling worried and upset too in your boat, especially given your bad reaction to the process, but as Penfold says this emby has every chance of being the only one you need. Hope you can regroup and come back strongly in time for ET and that this has been your last bit of bad news. Keeping fingers crossed. xx

Idreaminhotchocolate · 20/04/2010 18:11

Thank you PenfoldsGlasses and Cerubina xxxx

gingerwine · 20/04/2010 18:19

HI everyone.

Am in my hotel room and I do get internet...hooray! Would be pretty bored otherwise! It's weird being away from home for so long especially between 5 and 7pm when it so busy at home doing tea, homework bedtime etc...

I'm so sorry to hear your sad news Italian. You seem so resiliant and strong and I can only admire you for that. I hope once you have had some time to get your heads round this cycle you can make some positive decisions for the future.

Sorry to hear your prediction too 3G. I hope you are doing ok.

Idream I hope you are feeling better after your bad reaction. Sounds horrible. Please keep remembering that it only takes one. I know that I would feel just as worried and disappointed as you are now. Try and focus on your precious embie. Is ET tomorrow?

I haven't tested again but the spotting has turned to slight bleeding and I have no pregnancy symptoms at all. The course I'm on is good but of course I have my mind on other things and I'm pretty fed up. It doesn't help that the course involves assessing and examining babies and small children so not really what I need right now!

I will do a test tomorrow but it's just a formality really.

Waves to everyone else.

MercenaryMom · 20/04/2010 22:35

Hi everyone,

Had a pretty rough day today, but think it pales in comparison to what several of you are going through...

Italian I'm so sorry to hear your news. I hope you're taking some time off to recover from all that has happened and that you're being kind to yourself. My mother always tells me that things work out the way they're supposed to, so perhaps this is all just part of your path towards adopting a child that needs a mother as strong, brave and resilient as you are.

Idream it sounds like you've been through the ringer this week! I can imagine that you're very disappointed, but as Penfolds says, that one embryo has battled its way through the last few days - and there's no reason to think it won't keep fighting to stick around for another 9 months or so! Don't lose hope yet. Is your ET tomorrow? If so, good luck!

Gingerwine and 3G I'm sorry to hear that you're not feeling very hopeful for your tests. However, I've got my fingers and toes crossed that you'll both get positive surprises soon.

Waves to everyone else!

Italiangreyhound · 21/04/2010 02:37

Idreaminhotchocolate I'm so sorry you only got one embie, you did so well to produce five eggs, it really is a gamble isn't it. So sorry to hear you had a bit of a bad time of it. I am so sorry you had a funny turn and needed sustenance; you should have had a choco bunny or two tucked under your medical gown to pull out when you felt faint!

Gingerwine and 3G all the best for the tests, I really hope it will be a surprise miracle.

Thank you all for your kind words.
Cerubina Thank you for your wonderful kind comments. So kind to me.

gleegeekgleek So sorry that your test has not come up positive.

Horton Thanks for your thoughts, I am sure I will stick around for a bit!

Penguindreams Thanks for your very kind comments. I do kind of feel it will work out but I guess there are always the doubts!

PenfoldsGlasses Thanks for those lovely kind comments, adoption has been on my heart a long time.

Part of me wants to look into Donor embies but DH is not keen. I know it is both of our decisions so I can't push him but I know if the clinic said they had any I expect I would be more eager! Dilemmas!

All the best to all and chocs.

Idreaminhotchocolate · 21/04/2010 08:53

Hi Ladies,

Off for ET in a few minutes - fingers crossed that my little embie lasted the night!

We're going to the Manchester Museum Evolution exhibition on the way to the clinic (it's just around thr corner from the clinic) to take our minds off things.

I'll check in again later xxxxx

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