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Just MC'd. Starting it all again.. Come and join me for the long haul, vol 2

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thefatladyscreams · 21/09/2009 16:35

Hardly the most original title but I didn't want to loose anyone (well that's my excuse for the lack of originality!)

OP posts:
SamanthaB123 · 06/01/2010 19:11

Oh dear, not sure if this is good news...just after we finished eating I had an overwhelming pain in my lower back and on the left of my abdomen - quite high up, maybe level with my belly button. Now I just have a 'shadow'of the pain. This isn't usual for me in anyway, not in pregnancy or before AF. Ouch.

Cheepz · 06/01/2010 19:31

samb are you sure its not indigestion ....

louisesh · 06/01/2010 19:33

Hi all...I m also taking baby aspirin.....thought it was worth a shot i ve had 2 MCs and 1 CP without the aspirin soo what the hell....All the research is very vague on the same but.....

I HATE this weather its horrible enough alreday!!!!

Good news VIV know what you mean between wanting a problem to be identified and not!!!! When i was diagnosed with my problem thought at least it accounts for the same however, the last fetus was nad soo that didn t make sense either!!!!

Good luck BOODLE

SamanthaB123 · 06/01/2010 19:41

Cheepz - I'm certain that it's not indigestion...going to have a bath and go to bed soon. I am really tired at the moment and have a sniffly nose which is really annoying. I'll probably feel better for a good night's sleep. I've been awake to go to the loo the last two nights and couldn't get back to sleep so my day's have been sooo long . Looks like I'll get another snow day tomorrow though so I can build more snowmen with the DD's and take it easy. Just need to get DD#1 out of the bathroom so I can use it...girls! SB

MrsRigby · 06/01/2010 20:19

samanthab123 take a test - I think you are our next BFP .

randomimposter · 06/01/2010 20:38

feel a bit of a fraud sitting in the front seat (actually does that mean I'm driving?)... think it's exceptionally unlikely (though not of course totally impossible) that I'm pg.

What is bloody excellent though is that my cycle is looking like it's back to normal (ish); after my ERPC at end August, had first period end September, then 32 days, then 22 then another 22... which I was not happy about. But I'm CD27 today and they've been generally 26ish (I think, though I have never had to monitor them before: DS was a very happy accident, and I got pg first month we TTC#2).

Am going to follow the PeeOnAStick advice; and not test until 19 days after my last SWI which was CD12. That means Sunday.

Anyway enough about me.
Viv I know some of your story [madstalkeremoticon]; I think you are exceptionally brave, so pleased you have had your news.
Good to hear from you MrsR.
Sorry to hear you're not feeling great Sam, maybe MrsR is right...

And just to say I find this thread so fascinating, and am in awe of all the expertise and attention you all contribute. Awesome.

SamanthaB123 · 06/01/2010 20:39

MrsR How I would love you to be right...but still too soon, only 6 dpo. Well according to ff it's 6 dpo... The main reason for that analysis is to do with my temps and I already know I need a better thermometer and technique . I could have ovulated slightly earlier because there was ewcm from day 13 and loads of bd'ing. No-one feels like this at 6 dpo do they?

However, I must bear in mind that it could all be well now but not implant properly like last time. I don't want to be too optimistic because the emotional distress is so, well, distressing. Isn't anyone else testing, I've forgotten?

Cheepz · 06/01/2010 20:55

just had a read through some of the posts I glanced at at work and thought it might be worth sharing that I have most ewcm 1-3 days before the CBFM gives me a first peak day, there is still CM but the most ewcm seems to be just before the two days where the monitor tells me I am most likely to concieve, ie ovulating. For the last 2 cycles I have only managed to get dh to get jiggy with it on one of the days, this month too, although at least this cycle seems like it was the 'better' day of cramps and stuff are anything to go by.. but just thought might help those using ewcm as major indicator.

on the jiggy note, it was a quickie while my parents had dinner with friends downstairs and we waitied for our ds to settle before joining them, i stood up straigh after as we thought someone was coming upstairs then had a bigg dinner and drank a few glasses of wine, so although it was good timing there was no shoulderstand, stay lying down, elevate hips

LeeWT · 06/01/2010 22:23

hi everyone, im usually checking in on an iphone which makes it bit fiddly to remember all the posts and reply but have laptop tonight!

mrsR you are still quiet, talk to us! hope you are ok, it will happen i know it will xxx

cheepz lol at your sneaky bonk!

boodle you are doing fab misses! fingers crossed for tomorrows test results

viv what jollster said, you are incredibly brave and i hope your luck improves and the results are the first step..

sam jealous of your snow day.. we have some but not enough to stay off work!

everyone else - hi!!

ok, need some advice.. on my last pregnancy i had really strong implantation pains on about day 27 of a ucl32. last month my cycle length was 30. i am on cd23 and i am suffering really bad cramps.. i dont think they could be ovulation as its too late under any of my normal cycle lengths but i think its too early for IF it was implantation. any advice?

x

Cheepz · 06/01/2010 23:14

OOOH Lee - 23 = 7 before you think you are due for AF which = 7 after when you most likely ovulated which would be bang on for implantation cramps ....

.... just sayin'!!!!

PoppyIsApain · 07/01/2010 00:35

Just saying hi, it is abit quiet for me at the mo not knowing what CD iam on, didnt want to lose this thread in Im On.

VivClicquot · 07/01/2010 09:26

Aw bless you jollster and lee - to be honest, I don't think of myself as particularly brave. I kinda think a braver woman than I would have carried on with the second pregnancy, rather than making the decision we did.

But I'm also quietly proud at the strength I've found over the last six months - I'm very very lucky in that I've managed to get to 32 years of age with absolutely no ill health and only ever experiencing one bereavement (my nan, when I was 18) so I've never really had to go through anything like this before. It's been a bit of a crash course in life to be honest - but with DH, I'm getting there and that's all I can do, right?

(Bloody hell. That's a bit deep for a Thursday morning!)

SamanthaB123 · 07/01/2010 11:46

Thursday's List:

Jollster TTC#2 UCL26-28 cycle 4 CD28
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL28 cycle 5 CD26
Tetleytea TTC#2 UCL28 cycle 1 CD26
LeeWT TTC#2 UCL 30-32 cycle -2 CD24
samanthab123 TTC#3 UCL28 cycle 1 CD23
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 9 CD22
sarahlou8 TTC#3 UCL27 cycle 1 CD20
TFLS TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 6 CD18
Zayja TTC#1 UCL24-27 cycle 9 CD18
Tigger15 TTC#2 UCL31 cycle 7 CD14
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 1 CD12
Louisesh TTC#1 UCL33 cycle 25 CD9
vivcliquot TTC#1 UCL27 Cycle 2 CD6
RunForTheHills TTC#1 UCL30 cycle 13 CD5
sunburntats TTC#2 UCL28 cycle 1 CD3
PoppyisaPain TTC#2 UCL 28 Cycle 1 CD ?
effilump TTC#5 UCL28 cycle WTF CD?
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD?
keevamum TTC#3 UCL? cycle? CD?
lulabell79 TTC#? UCL? cycle? CD?

WTTC
Justbeenforapromenade
Fingerscrossedlegsopen

MIA (stopped at CD60)
em22 TTC#? UCL28 cycle 3 CD61
trixel TTC#3 UCL28-35 cycle 7 CD61

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
Hoops997
Stressy BFP 22nd August 2009
becky78 BFP 4th September 2009
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September 2009
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September 2009
Chamois BFP 7th October 2009
Apples BFP 9th November 2009 - TWINS
Meita BFP 10th December 2009
CakeandFineWine BFP 27th December 2009
boodleboot BFP 2nd January 2010

SamanthaB123 · 07/01/2010 11:56

Another snow day here, looks doubtful for tomorrow too. Gives me way too much time to think about things. Rountinely wake up feeling sick and have nausea on and off all day now. I don't have a funny taste in my mouth but the inside of it feels odd and nothing seems right when I eat. This is a tiresome business.

Lee Sounds good and a bit like the pain that I had yesterday. I'm hoping it was implantation too, fx .

MrsR What's going on with you?

Jollster Fx for your HPT Sunday, you are very patient!

Cheepz When are you planning to test?

boodleboot · 07/01/2010 12:20

Hi all

just a quicky to say have had my hcg level back from yesterdays test and it is 112 which is within normal range (range is 5 - 426 for 4 weeks of pregnancy)

will have to see if it has doubled tomorr for first indication of healthy preg.
scan in two weeks - still waiting for date from hospital.....

feel pretty pleased to have nice positive level at 4 weeks tho....God willing this bean sticks in right place!!

randomimposter · 07/01/2010 12:32

Boodle that's really great news... you must be chuffed. FX all continues to go in the right direction.
Sam... 2 reasons; hate wasting money, and am on a new strict budget, hence there are so many more things would rather wastespend money on. Also was struck by someone's post who said the crushing BFN SO much worse than AF arriving... and that really struck a chord. Had 3 BFNs when waiting for AF on my recent long cycle, and they really depressed me!
So... still planning to hang on. At the moment . Besides, frantic knicker checking is free... before the new government tax anyhoo...

Cheepz · 07/01/2010 13:29

jollster am am the non test crushing anticlimax can't deal with the pain person!! Which is why I won't be testing until either AF arrives or until long enough after she should have arrived that there is very little chance of it being a BFN.

And whenever it is that I decide to do a test it will not be one of those bloody ones which say 'Not Pregnant' - they are even worse than the ones where you have a squinting, hold it up to the light, check again after an hour line tests which are at least a little more ambiguous.

I also had a longer than normal cycle where I was sure I was pregnant - had symptoms up to my eyeballs and yet when the testing window arrived I had 2 'not pregnants' and 3 failed line tests before AF finally arrived. It depressed me so much we stopped trying the nexy cycle, and then it was Christmas.

Guess that answers your question Sam !! I won't be stesting for ages - I am expecting a 30+ day cycle this month because really I am still CD 25 - started monitor on forst trace rather than first full days bleed, and my cycles seem to have slipped into a 27 day one month 30 day the next.

Maybe someone can help me - maybe meita I have a friend who also had MC in the summer, prior to that she was having 36 day cycles but now has increased to 42!!! Has anyone else got longer cycles? is there anything she should get checked out for? its very frustrating for her and also makes it hard for her to know when ovulating - although she just started using CBFM - but its costing a bomb in sticks becuase she ends up needing way more than the 10 per cycle you normally use... any tips or advice I can hand on would be great.

Boodle heres to more HCG today, rooting for you

thefatladyscreams · 07/01/2010 14:15

Hi all, just popped in to see if Boodle had got her results - yipeeee

I'm with the implantation cramps theory Lee!

How are you doing poppy?

Did chortle at your quickie cheepz. Impressive results on your diet. Our scales went dippy over Christmas - it was great. I was eating tonnes but everyday it told me I'd lost 2-3 pounds. Sadly it's working properly again...

Tigger - bad news re the burglery. Did they take much? Fingers crossed for you for Sunday. Interesting about a potential 6 month recovery period.

Meita - how are you doing? When I m/c I asked the EPAU about baby aspirin and they said it couldn't do any harm and may do some good. I found ryvita biscuits helped stop the nausea.

Viv - fantastic news re the blood results.

Samantha - I found lack of sleep really messed up my temps. Hope the snow continues in your area and the school remains shut

Jollster - admire your resolve in waiting to test!

OP posts:
Effilump · 07/01/2010 14:41

Best wishes to boodle
Having a crappy time here. snowed in. My dog's just died. Gutted. Can anything else go wrong for gods sake. I just wish I was off the WTF cycle then I knew where I was with everything, then I cud start thinking/being more positive.

Meita · 07/01/2010 14:46

boodle glad to hear the result was ok, although you had to wait an extra day for it. Now hoping that you'll get an about doubled value today!

cheepz well extra-long but regular cycles can be due to a very long luteal phase and/or late ovulation. The luteal phase can probably only account for so much, as I haven't heard of any that last longer than 18 days. So even if her LP was at the upper extreme, that would still mean she is ovulating late, i.e. on/around CD 24. At least a long LP is no reason for worry - it's when your LP is too short that you have trouble conceiving.
More likely the main reason is delayed ovulation. I read something very helpful about that recently... now where was that? I'll post a link if I remember. The main gist was that ovulation basically needs LH and FSH at high levels to occur. Now there are various possible reasons why those two hormones don't rise, it can be due to these hormones themselves, or due to the hormones which make these hormones start, or even to that part of the brain that makes these hormones that start the other hormones start. So, overall it seems like you cannot know the real cause without undergoing intense testing.
What you can do on the other hand, is try to stimulate your FSH and LH. You need Estrogens for that, and natural estrogens are found for instance in sage and in raspberry leaf. In German speaking countries, herbal lore seems to be more widespread still, and many many women who are TTC will drink herbal teas built around sage and raspberry leaf pre-ovulation, switching to teas based on lady's mantle (gestagen) post-ovulation.
The other possibility I'd mention is agnus castus. I never took it and don't know the details of how it works, but it is said to be cycle-regulating. I.e. short cycles tend to become longer, long cycles tend to become shorter. It is powerful stuff but it doesn't work for everyone and some people get exactly the opposite effect from what they were trying to achieve. But others swear on it and are so glad that their forever-cycles have come down to a more manageable length; or their ultra-short cycles have lengthened to a level where it becomes more feasible to conceive. It's fairly common for treating PMS and symptoms of approaching menopause, so you can buy it lots of places, for instance Boots have their own brand, which is quite cheap.
I'll repeat that I'm not providing medical advice. Herbal stuff is not "safe because it's natural" - anything that can have the desired effect can also have undesired effects. But everything I mentioned is freely available over the counter without prescription. Please do read the leaflet, whatever you do.

If the cycles are long and irregular, the same is true about ovulation as above, but an additional possible cause or issue to worry about would be PCOS. That can be checked for fairly easily by a GP. It's always good to have that worry off your mind, so perhaps you could tell your friend to talk to a GP about it. It can be treated and PCOS women do conceive and have babies - MrsR can tell you more about that.

Meita · 07/01/2010 15:01

viv such good news! I'm sure that's a huge weight off your back. Yeah, very bad luck. Unfortunately it's quite common statistically, but it is still really bad luck and painful.

jollster good to hear that your cycle is back in sync. It can be such a relief simply to know that the MC hasn't messed up things for good... You might still get a BFP this month, and if you don't, well, the year is young still.

lee I'm all for implantation cramps as well Then you and samB can tell your two beans that they implanted on the same day . sam glad to hear the temp went up again. Hope it stays there!

TFLS I'm ok and hanging in there. Will see midwife for the first time in a week today. Looking forward to that! Rivyta - will look out for them when I go shopping in a bit, thanks. How are you doing?

Aw effilump and tigger. Sounds like you both are having a rough time. So sorry about your dog, effi... it's just so heart-wrenching. A burglary can be a very distressing experience tigger. When your home is so violated, it sort of doesn't feel like the safe space it used to. I hope at least not too much was taken.

Cheepz · 07/01/2010 21:20

meita as always you are the font of all knowledge on this matter. I have been trying to persuade her to go see a doctor to just see if there is anything medical they can test for but I think she is worried they will find something wrong and is not going on that basis. but as you say could provide peace fo mind. Had read that about raspberry leaf tea but not sage so thats a good call, had also heard refence to agnus cactus but had no idea what it was so thats good too. Totally hearing that none of it should be used lightly or without properly considering options.

effi heart goes out to you hon. thats awful.

randomimposter · 08/01/2010 06:08

effi am so sorry; some people don't get how much our pets mean to us. Despite a miscarriage and losing both my mum and latterly my dad, the most I have EVER cried was when our beloved ginger tom Stan got run over. Not sure if that is something I should admit but hey.... . Thinking of you.

hope everyone else ok

x

MrsRigby · 08/01/2010 08:51

Friday's list:

Jollster TTC#2 UCL26-28 cycle 4 CD29
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL28 cycle 5 CD27
Tetleytea TTC#2 UCL28 cycle 1 CD27
LeeWT TTC#2 UCL 30-32 cycle -2 CD25
samanthab123 TTC#3 UCL28 cycle 1 CD24
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 9 CD23
sarahlou8 TTC#3 UCL27 cycle 1 CD21
TFLS TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 6 CD19
Zayja TTC#1 UCL24-27 cycle 9 CD19
Tigger15 TTC#2 UCL31 cycle 7 CD15
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 1 CD13
Louisesh TTC#1 UCL33 cycle 25 CD10
vivcliquot TTC#1 UCL27 Cycle 2 CD7
RunForTheHills TTC#1 UCL30 cycle 13 CD6
sunburntats TTC#2 UCL28 cycle 1 CD4
PoppyisaPain TTC#2 UCL 28 Cycle 1 CD ?
effilump TTC#5 UCL28 cycle WTF CD?
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD?
keevamum TTC#3 UCL? cycle? CD?
lulabell79 TTC#? UCL? cycle? CD?

WTTC
Justbeenforapromenade
Fingerscrossedlegsopen

MIA (stopped at CD60)
em22 TTC#? UCL28 cycle 3 CD61
trixel TTC#3 UCL28-35 cycle 7 CD61

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
Hoops997
Stressy BFP 22nd August 2009
becky78 BFP 4th September 2009
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September 2009
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September 2009
Chamois BFP 7th October 2009
Apples BFP 9th November 2009 - TWINS
Meita BFP 10th December 2009
CakeandFineWine BFP 27th December 2009
boodleboot BFP 2nd January 2010

RunForTheHills · 08/01/2010 12:10

jollster totally agree. have lost 2 cats & went to pieces each time. now have 3 elderly cats & dreading the inevitable..

effilump thinking of you x

cheepz my cycle was 28 pre-mc but now settling to 30-31. also heavier now, anyone else found that?

meita you truly are the font of knowledge