TTC - Clomid Thread Part 2

[katlokna]

Hi everyone. I am starting up a new thread since our old one was reaching the 1000 post limit.

Here is a link to the old thread.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/685808-TTC-Clomid-Thread

Will do!

In reply to Mummycat1 - AMH stands for Anti-Müllerian Hormone. Basically it is a test to find out your Ovarian reserve.

Am scared it is low due to my elderly age (40).

I asked for the test at my hospital (as it is around £400.00 privately) and they had just started offering them. I was delighted with this but now I have this dilema if I really want to know my percentages! I suppose having knowledge will help me.

Will be on later to report.

Thanks mummycat DS is looking forward to having a little one around but we need to move house so they don't have to share a room think he would go off the idea if that was the case lol.
Sometimes with the clomid I feel as if I could cry all the time other times I am angry then it stops kind of weird lol

amelied Thanks for letting us know what the test is, I meant to ask but forgot lol hope you have loads of eggs xxx

Hi all
I am really trying not to think about it and hold off as long as i can with testing. Its hard but i'm managing. Keep being sick when having choc or sweets which isnt a bad thing as all helps with the weight, but is very strange as i'm usual a bit of a chocoholic!!!!
Hows everyone x

Re: cough medicine

You could just tell them that you think you may have swine flu, and will be indoors for a few weeks... then cough in her general direction. I'm sure she'll put you right through! HA! (sorry bit of a twisted sense of humor)

Hi everyone

Have just been catching up with the thread a bit ... thank you for making me feel so welcome and for your replies - they have made me feel better

I think it was Attila who offered some advice about tests ... if the offer is still open that would be great!

We have had repeat 21 day bloods and DH's SA tests ... both 'normal' (whatever 'normal' is). My bloods showed no signs of PCOS / thyroid problems / diabetes (family history of diabetes so I did ask about that) I have had both external and internal scans ... no endo, growths, fibroids etc. I also had an HSG in December ... all clear. Blood tested and scanned during first cycle of clomid - which showed it was working as it should (but I could have told them that as I was in agony on day 16!!)I've also been charting for years (since 2005 ... since before DS) so have quite a good picture of my cycle and thought that I was ovulating due to the pattern every cycle.

I'm not sure where we would go to next should we not get anywhere with the clomid ... although it was pointed out to us that we wouldn't be eligible for IVF should we get to that stage, as we already have one child together (although he's my reason for being and I count my blessings for having him every day .... just wish I could give him a brother or sister )

I have to say, I laughed at the thought of some of you trying to get hold of the cough mixture!!!!
I am going for it this cycle ... I normally stick to grapefruit juice, but I have added high strength EPO capsules and Asda's own guaifenesin cough medicine into the mix as well .... will have to see whether it works!!
Buying this from Asda in cognito has to be less embarrassing than asking for it in Boots ... and I bought 2 bottles and nobody batted an eyelid!!

Today is CD10 and I appear to have developed an almighty headache that I can't shake off ... have been taking my migraine painkillers, but they have had sod all effect! I am going to resort to salt and vinegar crisps and watching the Apprentice to see if that makes it any better!!

Thanks again for making me welcome ... thinking of everyone ....

x x x

PS ... Stac -- I feel exactly the same!
I never really suffred from PMT or anything, but the Clomid really makes me feel down at around ... well, now really!
I am coming to the conclusion that chocolate is the answer to most of my tough days ... and I absolutely refuse to feel guilty about it!!!!
Hope you feel better soon
x x x

Hey bluemoomin
I know what you mean about it feeling like bad PMT, my problem is I prefer crisps but because of pcos I just have to look at the packet and I pile on about a stone (ok a slight exaggeration lol) So I am trying to keep myself going by eating fruit, doesnt quite have the same feeling. xxx

Hi BlueMoomin,

The most common tests that tend to be omitted are:-

Adequate x-rays of the uterus which may show abnormalities not otherwise seen at laparoscopy.

Hysteroscopy - telescope inspection of the inside of the uterus which may occasionally show abnormalities not seen otherwise

Repeated sperm counts over several weeks and months to make sure there is no subtle abnormality

Testing the sperm in special media such as swim up testsvelocity testing. However, when they are done, they often uncover a hidden cause for the suppposed unexplained problem

Thorough hormone tests to detect abnormalities of male hormone or early falls in progesterone

Scanning of the ovaries to see if follicles really are developing and there are no sign of polycystic ovaries.

Who are you currently seeing - are you under the care of a gynae at a subfertility unit?.
They've only done day 21 tests, a HSG (well that is useful) and a couple of ultrasound scans for yourself. There is no day 3 (this is an important test as this would compare the level of LH against that of FSH) and thats an omission I'd ask about. LH and FSH are important as these kickstart the ovulation process. If these are out of whack (and charting is not totally reliable an indicator of ovulation for various reasons. For example you can have a temp rise in the second half of your cycle when an egg has not been shed) then the day 3 would show that. A day 3 test should be done as a matter of course.

Endometriosis deposits if they are present are NOT picked up on any ultrasound scan or blood test. It is usually diagnosed through laparoscopy (a keyhole surgery op). Common endo symptoms include painful periods, pelvic pain and/or deep pain during sex.

I don't think you're "unexplained" - I just do not think that enough tests have been done and they've given you clomid because they don't know what to do with you.

You need a diagnosis first and foremost and you will need to be persistant in order to get answers.

HTH

Attila

Hello girls. Sorry have to take some time to catch up with thread. Had some bad news last week. Got letter from consultant who said that I cant take metformin whilst breastfeeding as it may affect ds2's blood sugars and as the clomid didnt work for us this time (scans showed no leading follicle) that she will see us again in August. I could try another round of clomid at 150mg but she isnt convinced that it will work as hasnt this time. We are still trying but not going to be on clomid again till stopped breastfeeding. Feel like it might not happen.

{{{HUGS}}} Awen you poor thing, I'm sure it will happen for you it will just take a bit longer. Are you weaning DS2 off BF or just letting him keep going until he is ready? (soz I know this is a personal question)XXX

Morning!

Went to hopsital yesterday, got to see the head honcho as well which was a bonus.

She apologies that she couldnt give me my AMH results as the lab had taken the "H" in AMH as a "Y" and they used the blood test to test me for AMY??? Seemingly it tests the fuction of the liver!! So had to give more blood and wait, wait, wait again!

I am also to go for a Hysteroscopy sometime in June.

So no further insight again - pah!

stac - thank you for hugs. Letting ds2 self wean, he is on 3-4 now. I dont want to stop him before he's ready. How are things going with you, there have mean such a number of posts since i last even looked on here. xx

Is there any chance of anyone doing an update? I know i am cheeky to ask so no worries if not.

Amelied - how frustrating having to have blods done all again. It is annoying when you are hoping for an answer and then its put off again. June isnt so far away, just feels it from here. xx

Am CD39 and woould like to stick around here if ok, not going to induce period this time and just hope nature takes its course while waiting.

Hey awen I'm ok thanks had a few down days there but getting back on track, I had a 12 day af so totally unaware of when I should ov so just going to bd for fun this month and hope that I manage to ov so keep your fingers crossed for me. Are you not going to take the clomid if AF come naturally? xxx

hope this is right ladies please change accordingly
Mummycat1 - CD3
Boo - CD7
millymolly - CD 7
Alfiemax - CD7
Clairebear - CD10
Stac14 - CD15
AmelieD - CD14
Beanieb - CD18
Fruitbowl- CD18
Sgibbo - CD 19
Islegrin - CD 19
Paddington CD 32
Ginstar - CD 32
Tetleytea - CD 32
Lisylou - CD 34
Awen - CD 39
Westkazza - CD 51
Clure - CD 113 Prov finished awaiting af

Graduates:
Sissy
cheekymonkey
Ray
mizzidee
Katlonka

Hi all,

awen that's a bit of a predicament for you. Sorry for you.

lisylou when do you think you might do a test? Excited for you

hi stac that's a long AF, do you think that's the clomid?

hoping the rest of you ladies are well

i left yet another phone message with consultant secretary yesterday. I phoned agai today and actually managed to speak to her. She said that the email I'd sent was on consultant's desk and he would get back to me as soon as he's decided what to do next. Not a brilliant outcome - especially if he doesn't get back to me tomorrow then its the bank holiday.
On a more positive note, our bathroom is now finished and it looks fab. Great to be finished with all the mess and chaos.

I was reading about Maca root capsules on another thread (for older ladies ttc) Does anyone know anything about it?

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG ibrought 2 tests today, couldnt wait until tomorrow like i said and i have just done one and its positive. i am in total deep shock. i never thought it would happen. I'm going to do another one in the morning just to double check and be 100% sure. I had to tell someone though as my partner not home untill tomorrow and i dont wanna tell him on the phone as i need to see the expression on his face. i'm just stunned i hope it wasnt a falso positive. Let ya know tomorrow. xxxx

Lisylou oh wow wow. Thats fantastic so many congratulations [smile}

Hi everyone

LisyL - woo hoooooooo! That's ace news. How exciting! I didn't think you could get a false positive or am I being dim? Big congrats.

Sorry bout your news Awen

Ta for the tips on how to get more of this elusive EWCM! Cough med and grapefruit didn't make any difference this month but maybe you have to have loads for a few months...? I too am a pre-seeder but I read that can only carry the little fellas so far and not beyond the cervix (unless maybe you stand on your head for a few hours?)

Sorry bout the headaches MummyC & BlueM. I get hormonal ones too and they're certainly worse on these little tabs - boo. I too have noticed the feeling down and getting bloody angry for no reason and reaching for the choc (the choc should be listed as a side effect on the leaflet methinks). Just made some "healthy" brownies with dark choc, apricots, dates and wholemeal flour - that's the healthy bit!

x

yeah my mate had one a few weeks ago idont think its very common though. i just wanna do the other one now. i've worked it out and as i will prob be having a c section it will be a xmas baby xx

Hooray Lisy - well done to you - let us know how your hubby reacts! I'm sure that tomorrows' will be BFP too - you've had ennough syptoms. Are you still feeling/being sick? Take care.

Hello Awen nice to hear from you. I totally undersatnd your worries, but you sound happier than you did before. BF your DS is your prime concern right now. Am sure you'll have another one one day

Hey Clure stay strong. New bathroom sounds nice - a place to unwind and relax in. I haven't heard about Maca root, but I bet someone on here will have. Let us know what you discover...

Hospitals are so crap sometimes amelied - waiting so long is simply not fair.

Hello Stac good to hear that you are back to your cheery self and enjoying BD

I had a big cry this morning before work. Just burst into tears and fell into DH's arms saying, "it's not fair, I want a baby."
Then I pulled myself together and went to work and got on with it! I'm ok now, just feeling that this is impossible.

Time to curl up on the sofa and unwind now I think

Thats fantastic news lisylou I knew this thread was getting luckier, let us know how you get on tomorrow. How many cycles of clomid did you have? So pleased for you xxx

clure I'm not sure why af was that long but I feel crampy today so not sure if that means ovulation. Your consultant seems to be taking their time chick, if he doesnt get to you tomorrow ask the secretary if theres anyone else you can talk to.

fruitbowl How long did you take the cough mixture for and at what dosage? It may take a bit longer to get in your system so keep at it lol

Does anyone know if its possible for me to be ovulating already, I had 12 day AF which stopped on Monday but have been having stomach pains yesterday and today, feels like the ovary region help!!! lol xxx

Thank you, yeah i'll let you know. not been sick today but was sick yesterday when had chocolate and felt it today when i had it. I'm sure it will be positive, but you never no xxxxx Hugs to you all xxxxxxxx

Hi stac you normally start ovulating 5 - 10 days after you take your last clomid. i felt like an ache down there when i started ovulating, mind you i still have that now so thats not alot of help.
It took 4 lots of clomid. i will pop on in morning and let you no what test says then i will pop on over weekend and let ya no what hubby says!!! he was such a strength as i got quite negative not thinking it was going to happen and he kept saying when the times right it will happen so ladies for me the time must be right!!
I hope you all have success soon xxx

Yey Lisylou! Thats great news! Congtaulations! Hope you are feeling a little less sick!

Attila ... thank you so much for taking the time to get down all that info it really is very much appreciated. I am going to see if I can actually get hold of someone at Women's healthcare tomorrow. We are under the care of a consultant obstetrician and gynaecologist .... who frustratingly appears to spend most of her time at the local private fertility clinic as the leading consultant. I am seriously considering getting into debt to pay to see her privately ... since we have only ever met either the clinic nurses or her senior staff! I may well begin with my GP though, as he can arange further bloods and SAs whilst I am waiting for everything else.
Thanks again ... at least I am armed with more info and they will know I am serious!!

Amelied ... I am sharing your frustration with hospitals!!! You'd think doctors would at least be able to read each others writing ... even if no-one else in the world can! I hope the results come back quickly.

Clure ... I am going to be cheeky and follow your lead in trying to email the consultant. I am having trouble even getting through to the clinic secretary! Hope you get a quick reply.

Fruitbowl ... yum - nice brownies! (I would secretly still scoff creme eggs all day if I could get away with it though!)

Mummycat ... I had a big strategy meeting at work today and basically got shafted by all my other (male) colleagues (something I am used to) but it took all my effort (and I mean ALL) not to burst into tears of frustration. I had to excuse myself quickly and didn't go back in - will have to face the music tomorrow I suppose. I managed to cry all over DH tonight as well ... I am sure I'm not usually quite this bad - although I admit that things are getting to me too. Hope you are feeling a bit better.

Stac ... hope the pains have settled. Is there anyone you can call for more advice?

Time for cheesey TV and a chill I think. Hope everyone has better days tomorrow...

And another quick YEY for LisyLou!!!!

Mummycat big hug for you. Good to let it all out!

bluemoomin yes got for it. The consultants secretary copied the email and she said she'd put it on his desk for him to consider. (that and bloody 4 answerphone messages later!!)

stac have to agree I'm not impressed with "the service" of my consultant. Guess it's possible for you to be ovulating already. This mean you need to get down to the BD early!!

Had a lovely soak in our new bath, GORGE!! All chilled out now! Off to bed

Fingers crossed to Lisylou you get your second positive result xx

Hi all
Thought i should edit list, had a 2ns postive so looks as thou i am another graduate, i cried this morning when i seen the test but it hasnt sunk in yet.

Mummycat1 - CD4
Boo - CD8
millymolly - CD 8
Alfiemax - CD8
Clairebear - CD11
Stac14 - CD16
AmelieD - CD15
Beanieb - CD19
Fruitbowl- CD19
Sgibbo - CD 20
Islegrin - CD 20
Paddington CD 33
Ginstar - CD 33
Tetleytea - CD 33
Awen - CD 40
Westkazza - CD 52
Clure - CD 114 Prov finished awaiting af

Graduates:
Sissy
cheekymonkey
Ray
mizzidee
Katlonka
Lisylou1980

I will keep coming on and updating and not only that following how the rest of you are geting on. You have all supported me and i think this is a great thread.
Fingers, toes, arms and legs crossed for you all.xxxxxxxxxxx