The WIMBEWAI(N)F Club

[Bucky2008]

OK, so how about we start of on a positive....

I bought the test.

I did the test.

BFP .

Job done.

Evening ladies

Thanks for all your advice on the one vs two issue - we've decided on two now . After a lot of talking and googling (and reading my DH what you've written here ) we've decided that two gives us the best chance of having a baby, which is what this business is about after all! According to the lister's stats if we get a positive result our risk of twins with two blasts is between 50-60%.

MrsH lovely to hear of nesting . Sounds like the perfect time to start, before the new job eats up your time. Thanks for the tips re local hospitals - the Whitt is nice and close, which is a HUGE factor in my book (getting stuck in London traffic while in labour - er, no thanks!).

MOB also v lovely to hear of your nesting . Thanks for sharing your wisdom about twin pregnancy - I appreciate an honest take on all of this . Especially as you can compare your pregnancy to your earlier ones. I bet your DC are getting excited about the babies' arrival - your DD is going to love being the only girl (apart from her mum!). 34 weeks - the countdown is really on now (caitni starts to hum The Final Countdown)

GG thanks for your wise words too. What happened on your first cycle was just one of those (very sad ) things - luck seems to play far too much of a part in IVF - but this cycle is looking good for you. You'll be producing eggscellent eggs in no time that fertilise into lovely strong embies and there's no work stress to get in the way this time either . I'm trying really hard to keep my feet on the ground through all this (and keep my very optimistic DH's feet on the ground ) but I know that IVF will work for both of us someday - I just want that day to be as soon as possible for both of us .

Anyway, I'm off to do some tidying up and get dinner on - what an exciting Sat night eh? But we're booked in for acu at 9am tomorrow in the depths of sarrf london so an early night for us in store...

Caitni - I am so pleased you and your DH are going for two embies . I was worried about posting anything negative about the 1 v 2 debate, because i didn't want to be discouraging in any way to you. Thinking positive is so important for us IVF-ers. On the other hand i thought I should tell you what we were told, even though that was purely my experience. I hope you didn't mind.

I think going for two is utterly fabulous and you could have gorgeous twins like MOB will have very soon. For our cycle #2, DH is determined that we should go for two blastocysts, if it all works out two again (he has a twin obsession too ) so despite our first experience, we probably will go for two again. It is so exciting for you and your DH! Are you going to freeze your other two embryos?

Bucky - are you about I saw a post of facebook and wondered if you had possibly got a BFP or am I totally barking up the wrong tree...?? I also remember that appointment really well when they take you through the paperwork. Such an anticlimax, but it is the start of IVF for you and while it's a rollercoaster of emotions, it is also strangely statisfying and positive, because you are finally doing something.

JB - I hope you have a great weekend away!

*MrsH_ - PMSL at the can-can-ing courgette . I am glad that the meeting with the NHS midwives went well. I was wondering what hospital you're booked into too. If it happens to me, St Mary's Paddington is within pregnancy waddling distance for me, so i have already said to DH "If this IVF works, then it's the Lindo Wing for smoked salmon sandwiches and champagne for me, sunshine!"

MOB - LOL at all that hair your boys will have . When my sister was born, she had masses and masses of black hair, which is v unusual in pale skinned, Celtic north Scotland . All the other ladies/their DH's in the ward wanted to look at the baby with all the hair. I love that you are nesting. That's probably what i should be using all my free time for

PnM I am so glad the app has given you progress, and three cheers for that lovely nurse getting you onto the IUI list. I agree with caitni that the nurses during my IVF have been the sensible ones. Fingers crossed the Clomid works and you have no need for IUI. Maybe we should have a south coast meet up? I love that idea. Is there a date we can do?

Ei - big wave to you! Come and tell us your news.

I've got my suppression scan on Tuesday and then it's (hopefully) onto the Gonal F to put my ovaries into warp drive and produce (fingers crossed) lots of eggs. After the last haul, I wonder how my poor body can keep up with the relentless pace of egg production. I feel like a battery hen

I am also in a v bad mood this morning after I went to my lovely cousin's 40th birthday party last night. I was there on my own because DH is working in Spain and my sisters live in Scotland so it was too far to come . Anyway, I got accosted by my stepmother after 6+ pints of Stella (that's her, not me! ) telling me that "you" meaning me and "you" meaning me and my sisters collectively, treat my dad terribly and I was a "cold hearted b*tch" and general disgrace to the human race. I was sober because of the IVF and brushed it off saying that she didn't know a lot of things, that she was drunk and I didn't think it was appropriate or the time/place. I said it all really politely and that I wasn't going to have an argument or tell her anything in the middle of a lovely party (I maintained total dignity. Pat on back GG ). But then she started chanting "Bring it on, GG, bring it on!!! Go on, tell me everything!!!" into my face. I was so shocked and terrified it would decend into a fight (and she was waving her full pint glass at me which I thought could go over my head) that I grabbed my handbag, said a hasty goodbye to my dad and cousin and had to leave the party and came home, upset. It's only the second time I have ever met her and I thought we were getting along really well - lots of laughing and joking with her at the start of the evening, but I now realise that was in front of my dad and everyone else. And now she's prevented my dad from seeing me all weekend when they are in London because they were "too busy" She's only six years older than me, no kids of her own and she is very, very insecure, but I can't believe that she waited until she could get me alone in the corner and then her whole manner changed and I was ambushed. It come totally out of the blue and it took me a moment or two to realise that she wasn't still laughing away with me, and was trying very hard to pick a fight and make me lose my rag. I was enjoying the night too

Oooops, sorry for the post. I'm on the wrong thread for that stuff. I should go and post that in "Relationships"

Caitni well done for making your mind up about how many to transfer. As I have said I am sure I would go for two (there are twins in my family anyway - identical ones at that - so it holds no fear for me!!) So is the transfer tomorrow then? Will have my fingers crossed that all runs smoothly.

MOB I think that with my DD I didn't have the nursery ready until I was about due. My mother was worried that I would produce the baby and have nothing ready (but seriously, you can internet order a moses basket in 24 hours...) but I knew she would be late anyway. I guess with your though they might be cooked soon. Isn't 37 weeks average for twins and 35 weeks term? Ooooh, it's getting close!

GG your Dad's wife sounds like a piece of work. I don't know what to say apart from well done for not smacking her...

Hope everyone else is ok, back later.

Caitni Great news you have decided on having two transferred! I (and DH) are so excited for you!! I guess it is happening today, so i hope it all goes really well.

GG Sounds like you had an awful time at that party - she sounds like a hideous woman . However you obviously remained very calm and controlled, which hopefully was the exact opposite of what she wanted to achieve . Hope the scan goes well tomorrow, then we can get our "egg" words out again!!

MrsH I have been told that 37 weeks is considered term for twins, although it does seem to vary. Last time the consultant said that getting to 38 weeks would be ideal. Anyway - it's not going to be long - i don't think reality has set in yet!!

Hello to everyone else

Thinking of you today Caitni. I hope it all goes smoothly.

good luck Caitni - thinking of you

Good luck Caitni [higs]

Around for lunch GG if you see this...no BFP miracle has occurred either....

Mad busy at work, soz for super quick post.

Love Bucky x

Thanks for all the good wishes ladies - two blasts safely on board .

Had the transfer yesterday morning, with acu before and after. It was utterly amazing, watching the ultrasound screen as the catheter put them in made me tear up . Definitely the best bit of the whole process so (plus got a lovely picture of them both as well a picture of them as a tiny white dot in my womb).

GG just another plug for my acu if you're still looking - he was excellent through out tx but went above and beyond on ET day by actually arranging the pre & post sessions in his house (he mostly goes to the clinic but my clinic wouldn't let us use a room [annoying] and he also often goes to couples' houses but the north/south divide was a bit much for us). It's Ian at Balance Acupuncture

Now just have to get through the next week or so until I can POAS. My test date is actually our wedding anniversary (23 June) so it's either going to be a very happy one or a very sad one .

Hi all just wanted to pop in and see how everyone is doing

Caitni Wow on how quick it all seems to be happening for you, I really hope you get a fab anniversary present this year

GG Hope that round 2 is going well and that its a big success x

MOB Cant believe you are nearly there Glad that twin 2 is still growing nicely and that they get to cook a bit longer

MrsH Hope your little courgette is wiggling around nicely, I know what you mean about nesting as I have been doing it since about 20 weeks lol. Have got everything bought and set up and even packed my bags

PnM That nurse sounds fab and it goes to show what a difference an email can make! Hopefully you wont need the IUI though

EI Hope things are good for you too

Bucky The appointment does sound like quite an anticlimax but at least things are moving along for you x

Waves to anyone I have missed x x

Well not much to report here, I am 30 weeks on thursday and will be having my next scan on thursday too, so far things are going great and my consultant has said that if I get to 39 weeks they should weigh in at atleast 7lbs each

Wow Caitni that's great that they are safely tucked in there. Now I have everything crossed for you that they stay put. Did you put any others in the freezer?

RFN2 It's nice to see you again and to hear about how the twins are coming. 7lbs each would be brilliant. . It's funny that you've got everything sorted at 30 weeks. I expect I will be as rubbish as last time about baby-related stuff (especially as I can't quite convince myself that things are going to be ok this time, even though I should really believe it by now) but no doubt we will have a stunning living room by D-Day!!

bucky hope work is not too full-on.

Higs to all. No news at all from here. Can't believe I am starting back at work in a week, but I think it will be good for my atrophying brain...

hi ladies
just a quick one to say to...
caitni YAY for the transfer you will have your BFP in no time i know it
RFN2 good to 'see' you glad all is well with the twins
MOB glad to hear things are going ok
mrsH hope all is well bet you cant wait to get back to work for a while
GG not long before you will be joining caitni in the IVF BFP stakes
hey to everyone else
not much going on except ALOT of BDing i nearly fell asleep at my desk today lol i havent Oved yet but i think i am about to so hopefully il be in the BFP club by the end of the month
xx ei xx

Morning,

Just a real quick message to Caitni to say woohoo for a successful transfer! So pleased for you, will be keeping everything crossed for you.

Will be back later, have to go as hotel stops serving breakfast in 30mins and I still need a shower! Started my clomid last night so now I keep imaging I have every side-effect going (me, a drama queen? Never....).

Hope you're all ok, big love x

Another very quick post to say HURRAH for caitni and the transfers of your two little blastocysts. So excited for you. I bet the 23rd will be a very exciting and happy day. Did you freeze your other little ones? Thanks again for the tip about your accupuncturist. I am in W9 - do you think that would work for him?

I'm getting nervous now myself . I had my query suppressed scan this morning and, just like before, I am not suppressed enough yet, so another week on Buseralin for me before I start with the stimming again. I had a panic because I have a very close friend's wedding in the north of Scotland on 17th July, and I htought that another week might scupper that, but looks like it won't clash.

picknmix - LOL at you side effect spotting on Clomid. Have you noticed abything or just owrried about them? I have been in a permanent swoon over these IVF drugs and what they are doing to me. Last night I was having horrid hot flushes. I looked like this..... (literally)!

hello to Bucky ei ready MrsH and the others

and hello to Mad Old Bird, of course. i pressed send too quickly before I had time to ask you about your two little fighters

Congrats Caitni , fingers crossed for good news soon.

Picknmix I started my Clomid again this month too, last Tuesday, so we can be Clomid buddies now...woo hoo.

I am being unbelievably rubbish with checking in. I am so busy at work I am having a nervous breakdown, but i try to check in and get the headlines.

xx

Bucky and PnM yay for the Clomid!! Hope you both manage to avoid side effects - lots of water may help? Sending you both eggy vibes and fingers crossed that you both catch the egg this month

GG sorry to hear of the downregging side effects and sorry that you've got another week to go before you can start the stimming. Naughty ovaries taking their time to switch off! Still, glad it doesn't interfere with your trip up to Scotland for your friend's wedding. Meant to say and at your step mum - what a piece of work!! Ian is very flexible (and works a few days a week at a clinic in Harley St) so hope you can get to see him.

RFN2&3 so glad to hear that all is well with you and the twins!! 30 weeks already - not long to go . Hope they stay safely tucked up for as long as possible

Ei almost falling asleep at your desk - now that is good to hear . Also sending you good vibes that you catch the egg this month

MrsH make the most of this last week - it'll all feel like a distant memory once you get back into the work grind! But at least there isn't the crazy rain like yesterday....our courgette plants have started blooming and I was thinking of your can-canning courgette when I saw them today

MOB & JB big waves to you both

So things all fine with me. The embryologist didn't call yesterday so our other two didn't make it - they would only call if they were suitable for freezing. They were quite a bit behind the two blasts on Sunday so not really surprised but still a teeny bit . But am generally feeling quite good although the progesterone has given me the worst wind ever . They warned that constipation was a side effect of it but am still a bit - time to ramp up the fibre as it's no fun!

Caitni I am soo hormonal I am a psycho...dont think water is going to help I feel dreadful. .

Bucky sorry to hear your hormones are all over the shop - bloody fertility drugs! It's just the nurses went on and on to me about drinking lots of water - about helping the follicles and trying to prevent the headaches. Otherwise you're just going to have to ride through the hormones and make sure your DP spoils you rotten (and wish I could switch off your work stress for you). Higs for you m'dear.

Somebody stop me I am being so psycho I am embarrassing myself. I am totally paranoid and acting like a loon to this bloke at work. I keep making it worse and worse by trying to 'sort' it out and now I look like a crazed stalker and its all the stupid hormones...Aaaarrrghhh...

Evening all,

Bucky what have you been doing to the poor man?? I am sooooo with you on the hormones thing. I am, by nature, a bit hypersensitive (!) and after just one tablet (just about to pop another and am scared!) I am already assuming the whole world is against me, nobody likes me etc etc. I truely am shit at taking medication cos I begin to assume I have all the side effects going - no joke, today I had a numb finger and started to panic I was going to be paralized in one arm for the rest of my life . Keep telling myself its all for the greater good and nothing in comparison to what Caitni, GG, Mob etc have all had to/are going through.....(but I'm still making sure my DH knows it is a Big Deal and to look after me *see below).

Caitni, I really am pleased to hear the transfer all went so well. Can understand the ness at the other 2 embies not making it. Am thinking sticky thoughts for you all the time, I'm really excited for you

MOB hope the two boys are staying put for the time being and that you are able to rest a bit. Wow at the hair on the scan before! How did the growth scan go today? Was thinking about you so hope all is ok x

GG am and at your step mother!!! Thats incredibly horrible for you to have to deal with - well done for keeping so calm and for not reacting to her. Sorry to hear you have another week to go before you can start the stimming, the hot flushes don't sound great at all, am in awe of both you and Caitni, as I said before, I am a total wimp with medication, don't usually even take nurofen!!

How are you doing MrsH? Have you got some exciting things planned for your last week?

Lovely to hear from you R4N2+3! Can't believe you're 30 weeks already! Wow!

Hello EI, hope those little swimmers will be waiting around and ready for OV when it happens

I'm off to bed now as have a breakfast meeting tomorrow and am knackered.

*Case in point: have just shouted at DH because (and I quote) "its ok for you, you can just sit there whilst I have to walk all the way to the car [car is parked literally just outside the house] to get my tablets and then I have to actually swallow one as well"

PnM , I took Clomid for three months before and apart from it making me super sensitive to alcohol I was only slightly more psycho than normal. This month I am cuckoo...totally loop the loop and it is horrid. I have just got of the phone to DP who is away again and, after crying because my toenail polish has chipped after my pedicure on Saturday and announcing I will never leave the house again because I am insane now and it will obviously never wear off, I proceeded to declare that the dogs obviously hate me because they are sleeping in the hall and not in the living room. Don't be surprised if I am committed tomorrow.

GG am so self involved I forgot to mention that your step monster quite obviously needs a good slap. I love MrsH she always says what we're all thinking.

Hello to RFN2&3 nice to see you after so long. Bucky waves to MOB, Ei, JB and the rest of the possee.

Oh and PnM I do hope your numb finger has resumed normal duty and the walk to the car was not too arduous. . I find it helps to have a good cry before you set off for the car, whilst in the car, and then when I get back from the car. Crackers with cheese and caramelised onion then soothes my distress.........see, loop the loop! xx

Morning ladies

Caitni am so pleased to hear ET went well, and that you have 2 little passengers on board!I know i keep saying it, but i am so excited about it for you Shame the other 2 didn't make it, but at least you know you definitely have the 2 best in there, and stand every chance now. The other good thing about you having blasts transferred, is that it's less time to wait until you test.

RFN2&3 lovely to see you, and to hear that things are going well with you. How's the bump? I am shocked at the size of mine - i have grown out of a lot of my maternity tops

MrsH Enjoy your last fews days before you are back in the work routine! (for a bit anyway)

EI LOL at you nearly falling asleep at work! You are clearly putting a lot of effort in How's DH bearing up

GG Sorry to hear you can't start stimming yet. Hopefully the next few days will fly past, then you can start cultivating those eggs!

PnM & Bucky Well, what can i say to our clomid junkies? I am sorry to hear you are both suffering side effects etc, although you have made me chuckle with your antics. It must be horrible to feel so hormonal though. Hopefully it is a good sign that it is having an effect on you both, leading to lovely BFPs.

News here - had a scan yesterday, both still looking very well & healthy, and appear to be measuring over 5lb each . I'm not quite 35 weeks yet! No.2 has turned, but No.1 is the presenting twin, and is still breech. Therefore saw the consultant after, and booked a c-section for 10 July, it felt really weird for us both to sit there with diaries, deciding when their birthday will be! Have been hoping against hope to avoid a cs, but it looks inevitable now. Still, i shall be 38 weeks on that day, and i think, by then, i shall just want them out, nevermind by which method!

5lbs MOB that's quite big isn't it for their age? . Hope the other twin does a flip soon. Did you say if you knew their sex?

Caitni how exciting that you can test so soon.

All still mental over here. Just had the two cries this morning so far, one because I convinced myself that I should move my 11.00am meeting today to Friday because the guy was sure to see I am insane and then I had an argument in my head about the fact he could not possibly see that unless I acted weird so I should just leave it. The 'in my head' argument upset me so had a bit of sob. The second was because I convinced myself that like baby birds at birth, I, following the influx of hormones, have imprinted on someone other than my DP (because he has not been around since I took the Clomid) and have decided that it is really the office maintenance guy who I want to have a baby with. Then I felt disloyal and cried because I am obviously a bitch.

I HATE THIS!!!!!!!!

Bucky you poor wee fruit loop. I think TTC has a tendency to drive us all mad. As for your janitor fixation, it's not that unusual. When we were ttc I would find myself sitting on the tube strangely drawn to the straggly-haired youth opposite. I reckon it's nature way. Your hormones think "this one isn't getting me pregnant, so I shall shop around". Which is fine - just as long as you don't act on it!

PnM relaaaaaax. I am sure that the clomid is not going to do anything awful to you and that a numb finger will not prevent you from conceiving. And your DH is terribly unreasonable - how could he want you to walk to the car? He should go out an by you a mobility aid and for every pill you pop he should take 2! (At this point I have to confess that the first time I took the contraceptive pill I swear I felt blood clots forming...)

MOB Hurrah for the twins. 5lbs at this point is great, so all being well (and the measurements being correct) they should be at least 6lbs by the time they are born, yes? Fab - that is as much as plenty of healthy singleton full-term babies. BTW, can I suggest you reschedule your section for the next day which is my birthday!

Caitni I can quite understand your feelings about the two that didn't make it, but how great that you can test so soon. I guess having had your transfer on day 4 reduces your post-transfer wait a little! I have everything crossed that you get a very big fat positive .

Back later.