The WIMBEWAI(N)F Club

[Bucky2008]

OK, so how about we start of on a positive....

I bought the test.

I did the test.

BFP .

Job done.

Just popping in to say good luck to GG - am hoping that the app goes well and you'll soon be getting ready for your next round of IVF

Waves to everyone else - will come back to catch up properly when I've got the time

Just in case I don't get time to post tomorrow morning - hope everything goes well tomorrow GG, will be thinking of you!

Seeing my dad tomorrow for the first time in 2yrs which will be odd but good....

Hope you're all ok x

Wow - busy on here all of a sudden.

A big day for some of you tomorrow. Good luck GG and hope the reunion goes well Picknmix.

just a quickie to say good luck to GG i hope they get started straight away!!
also to PnM good luck for your reunion
hey to everyone else
xx ei xx

Evening all,

How are we all doing tonight?

GG how did the appt go today? Hope all was ok?

Hello Ei, how are you doing?

Sorry to hear about the high blood pressure MrsH although am pleased to hear you're feeling confident about the ante-natal care you will be getting, must be a huge relief for you. And yay for the legendary consultant !

Wimbewaifers, I need some advice. Ever since my hsg I've noticed my periods have changed. Apologies for tmi but they've become really light and I have no pain - no cramps etc. Boobs sore but mostly throughout the month, not just the week running up to my period. I also have no noticeable ov pain or cm anymore. Do you think this is something to worry about? My cycle is also much shorter than ever before. This month was just a 25 day cycle.

I can't be bothered to ring the dr's as they just seem to brush off my concerns and I still have another 3 months to wait until my follow up appt....

Sorry for being me me me!!

Hi ladies

GG I hope yesterday went swimmingly. Looking forward to hearing when you start your new cycle. Hope work's not too busy - roll on the long bank holiday weekend!

PnM at your changed cycles. I don't think it's anything to do with your HSG, as that can't change cycles. The main thing I'd suggest is temping, to try and pinpoint exactly when you're ovulating. Short cycles are generally not annovulatory and my own ones (cycles usually 23-25 days) are caused by ovulating around days 11-13. But the other thing I'd suggest is POAS...the very light bleeds could be masking something else (but I'm not even going to say the P word!) as the lack of ov pains/CM and constant sore boobs makes me suspicious (feel free to ignore me though)...and at your sh*t doctors. It still makes me so when I think of the shoddy way you're being treated.

MrsH yay for the legendary consultant! You deserve it after the rollercoaster you've been on to get to this stage . Thanks for the vits - Bucky's put us in touch on FB so I shall message you shortly.

Bucky sorry that work is still a p*sser. At least it's keeping your mind off ttc . I've also been comedy busy myself but today's my last day in the office til next Wed, the sun is shining through the window and I'm finding it seriously hard to be arsed to do anything!

Ei how are you doing missus? I have a very good feeling about you this month. I had some very vivid dreams on Sun night and in one of them I was checking MN ( how sad am I, I dream about it!!) and you had just gotten a BFP. I'm going to be keeping my fingers firmly crossed

Waves to all our preggo ladies and graduates - hope everyone's thriving, bumps and babies alike

We're off in the camper van tomorrow and just can't wait to get away with DH. Really excited by our English/Welsh road trip . We're back Monday, so shall check in on everyone then, but have Tues booked off work too. In the meantime, I hope everyone has a very happy Easter!!! (sorry, but I find the bunny ear emoticons too freaky to use - they're like cartoon playboy porno bunnies to me!! Particularly this one )

I can't BLOODY believe it. I just typed a huge long message and now it has been deleted . I don't need MN to add tomy stress levels

hello to everyone!!

picknmix - I don't really know much about the hsg shot and how that would have affected your cycle, but i am sure that someone with betterknowledge than me will be along. have you posted a thread anywhere else (general Health?0 and see if any doctors could shed some light on it? I think it is terrible that you are in the situation when your local health systems ar eso crap you don't even want to phone them with a legitimate medical question. i am for you! How did it go seeing yoru dad for the first time in 2 years - was it wierd seeing him and did it go ok?

MrsH - that is brillaint you have found such a great consultant who is also a legend. You will be the envy of everyone and I am so pleased you are feeling upbeat about the midwives and medical staff. When is your due date? So thrilled for you after all the ectopics and trauma you have been through.

Bucky - looking forward to lunch, but I think you will have to keep me away form an afternoon of downing glasses of wine Not long now until your appointment with the hospital.

caitni - how are the needles going? Is your Lister cycle going to be in June?

hello to ei - BIG wave. And hi to anyone else lurking.

The consultant appointment at Hammersmith went splendidly yesterday . I saw Mr Lavery, who is fantastic - exactly the sort of doctor where you just instantly feel confident and comfortable, with none of the patronising or money grabbing that can be expected with some private doctors i have encountered. I felt on cloud 9 yesterday as he went through my ICSI cycle ("practically perfect, except for the final result") and also that we could start in June, he was confident of success because the embryo(s?) had implanted and recommeded going for blastocyst transfer next time. DH said he thought that Mr Lavery was fantastic too, so I came out the appointment feeling so, so much better

BUT the happy feeling lasted about 5 minutes . I couldn't post before now, but then DH announced that he was happy to go ahead with a privately funded cycle in June, but ONLY if we didn't lose our NHS second cycle entitlement. If we did lose NHS entitlement, then I'd have to wait until I got to the top of the queue again (best guess October) .

I don't think i have EVER lost my rag, with anyone, like that before. I was absolutely, fit to be tied, furious with him and cue a HUGE stand up row. A fish-wife style screaming argument between us, walking along North Pole Road, W10 at about 5pm last night . I am still shaking with rage typing this now. I am so angry with him. I have put in some urgent calls to Westminster PCT this morning to find out the exact situation, but even if we do get another HNS funded cycle after goign private, that is not the point. It is HIM!

I can't believe he is so mean and tight fisted and heartless over all this, I really can't. Am I over-reacting??!! He says he won't pay £5000 for a private cycle if we lose the NHS one, because £5000 is "a lot of money and i am not wasting money" . I really don't want to be crass and insensitive about finances, because I know that £5000 is a lot of money, but I can't think of how else I can illustrate this, without mentioning cash, so I will . Anyway, (deep breath) DH is a wealthy man by anyone's standards, 'cept Russian oligarchs, and he could fund 20 x cycles tomorrow without blinking and he won't. I am blown away by his selfishness and nasty minded mean-ness and lack of understanding for everything I am going through.

He is SO mule-like, so utterly STUBBORN that I know he absoutely will not budge on this. He is completely unpersuadable on any sort of rationale arguement I have tried (I am a qualified advocate for god sake!), so that leaves me with some very, very hard choices about our relationship. I even shouted FTC was his fault (which it is) so he should be supporting me and understanding at everything I was going through. Nothing.

i am so upset and angry (how many times have I used that word in this post??) Oh god, that is the most mememememememe post I have ever seen. I am really sorry

oh GG I am so sorry that you had such a great consultation that was ruined by such a horrible row [hugs].

You're perfectly right to be livid, as you're recovering from the hormonal and emotional highs & lows of IVF and a m/c. As well as the trials of long term ttc! I'm so for you that your DH sprung this on you as you were literally stepping out of such a positive app...Bloody men! I'm afraid I can't offer anything beyond you talking about it once you've both calmed down. You and your DH have a good marriage (you've already been through one round of IVF, which is further than a lot of relationships get!) and you'll work this out. And fingers crossed that you can both start a private cycle and stay on the NHS list (and you can then take yourselves off the NHS list once the next round works [positive thinking emoticon]).

GG if that was my DH I would be ready to kill him. You are absolutely right to be livid. If it is a question of simple economics, you might want to remind him that living in central London you are quite possibly going to fork out in excess of £250k to raise your child to the age of 18 and if he won't even put his hand in his pocket now he is in for one hell of a shock. And so bloody what if you lose your NHS entitlement? It is one go. You won't even need it if the private attempt works out. What I would be wondering in your shoes is whether this is a question of simple economics or whether it is that he needs a bit more time. If it is just the money, well I say you write the cheque and deal with the consequences later. Actually I am furious on your behalf and you can tell him so from me. But am very glad that the appointment went well. I have heard about Mr Lavery (and considred seeing him myself when I was looking for investigations, except I ddn't want to go to the Hammersmith) and he has a good reputation, so I hope he can get things sorted for you.

Caitni again at your camper van adventures. Can I maybe borrow (rent) your van one day?

PnM I guess you are worried that you aren't ovulating. I agree with Caitni that you should POAS for a start. If that is negative then I would start temping again to see what happens and maybe ask the GP to check my thyroid (has anyone ever done that?). But I can't think what might be causing your erratic cycles. I doubt it is the HSG. I did have a strange cycle the month of my HSG in that I spotted on and off all cycle, but after that they returned to normal. I've posted the pre-seed and OPKs today - hope they reach you soon.

Ei I too have a feeling that your turn is coming up. Let's hope so!

Right, higs to the rest of you. My in-laws are going to show up any second, so I have to finish sorting out their room...

caitni - I am so jealous of your camper van holiday to Wales. We crossed messages before, so didn't get a chance to say in my last post. I hope you have a lovely time and the weather is good for you (no rain). If not, I'd find a lovely cosy, romantic pub and snuggle up to your DH with some Welsh beer

You would have laughed at me yesterday, doing my best Glasgow Fishwife impersonation in the middle of the street

Grrrr, sorry for the rant I spoke to Westminster PCT and - amazingly - doing a single private cycle won't affect my eligability for my one further NHS funded cycle. So in some ways yesterday's fight was a storm in a tea cup, but it wasn't really about funding. It was about a very unsupportive DH, who won't go the extra centimeter to make this easy.

Mrs H - good luck with the in-laws visiting! Don't let them raise your blood pressure any higher Are they the sort of in-laws where you can relax and let them get on with making their own cups of coffee or are you going to be rushing around after them? I am lucky that my in-laws refuse to leave their home town to visit us (London = too scary)

picknmix - yes definitely POAS and let us know the result. Fingers crossed for you. I knew that someone more knowledgable than me would be along soon

I'm going to get my rant deleted off the thread soon. makes me sound like a spoilt brat

Bucky are you about today. What's happening with you?

Hello ladies,

GG You don't sound like a spoilt brat at all. Of course it is a lot of money but the benefits certainly outweigh the cost of being seen quicker and starting treatment again. How are things with your DH now?

PnM I would follow caitni's advice and temp for a cycle and see what's happening. It should confirm you are ov and how long your LP is. It is rubbish that you can't see someone sooner about this. Are you still thinking about going private?

caitni LOL at the bunny comment! Ugh! Enjoy your break.

Sorry not to say hello to everyone individually, I have to go as I need to try and get a grumpy jollycub to have a bottle. She now has 2 teeth and had her jabs this morning, not a good combo!

hey ladies
alls quiet around here hope everyone has got some fabulous plans for this long weekend
we have a jam packed weekend planned we went to a continental market and shopping today, we are going to the farm tomorrow with DD, dinner at the in laws sunday and possibly an easter egg trail/hunt monday either that or the seal-life centre oh and also rice crispie cake making with the easter eggs DD gets she has got 5 already and its not even easter sunday for 2 more days
xx ei xx

Morning all,

Hope you all had a fab Easter and mucho chocolate was consumed?!

Did you get some yummy things at the continental market Ei?? Sounds like you had a very packed weekend, hope you're not too exhausted today!! Have to admit, saw your name on another thread and then had a sneaky peak at your FF chart (stalker alert?!) - have my fingers crossed for you for today!!!

How is Jollycub now JB? Hope the teeth aren't giving her too much hassle and the affects of the jab have worn off a little now? I was put off going private by my GP as she said my pct won't share the results of any tests I've already had so therefore I'd have to have them all again privately which would cost a fortune.... Tis truely a little bit crap!

So so pleased to hear about the nhs funding regardless of private attempts GG although I do understand when you say its not really about the money. You didn't sound like a spoiled brat at all - I would've been just as angry as you in that situation. I hoep you've been able to enjoy your Easter and to sit down and have a rational conversation with your DH about it all. It took him a long time to come round to assisted conception, yes? Maybe this is just another step in his journey that he needs to make. I'm second guessing here (obviously!) but he's had to come to terms with the fact that the fertility issue is with him - maybe having to pay to sort that out is one step too far for him at the moment? I'm prob talking crap actually so I'll stop... I just hope you've got it sorted out ok

How has the in-law visit gone MrsH? Oh, and thank you so much for the pre-seed - I apologise as I meant to email but life has been ridiculously manic here. How is the ms? Are you still suffering?

How was your trip away Caitni? I think you had perfect weather if you were in Wales? My friends were there camping and said it was fab - they surfed every day (!).

How are you doing Bucky???? Are you still there somewhere?

Thanks to all for the advice re my cycles. I have started temping again and my temps are literally all over the place. I had to when you all suggested hpt testing - can you belive how much of a cynic I am now as the thought of being pregnant didn't even cross my mind, I just assumed there was something wrong with me!!

I haven't tested as no tests in the house and am pretty sure I'm not pregnant, just messed up! Have been getting more and more negative about the whole process - even threw away my baby book the other day that I bought in the first flush of ttc. Am currently on the hunt for a new car with only 2 seats and am going to book a holiday for the summer. Not even doing it to tempt the laws of pregnativity, just can't stand being stuck in this limboland anymore.

Sisters wedding went well though and having my dad to stay for 5 days wasn't quite as bad as I had feared! Just wish I had another week off to recover from it all now!!

hello there everyone.

i was quiet on the boards over the weekend . You were all too busy downing Mini Eggs and scoffing chocolate. I hope everyone had a lovely break! I ended up working on Good Friday (horrid work!) and spent the rest of it spring cleaning every nook and cranny until it shone like some kind of mad woman. I must be nesting . DH was forced to do the ironing and bits of DIY

Picknmix - do you have any photos of your sister's wedding and you in your bridesmaid dress? Dying to hear all about it. I'm glad it went well with your dad staying too. It's a nightmare here when the ol' folks come to stay with me, waiting on them hand and foot I think buying a two seater car is the perfect way to get a BFP. What are you looking at . Friends of ours did exactly that (they bought a Porsche ) and she was up the duff two months later, so it is definitely worth while and lots of fun in the meantime, 'specially because its summer and you live in a loveyl part of the world Ooooh, how exciting, a holiday! Where are you going to go?!? (You know it's my chosen specialised subject )

I think you may have hit the nail on the head about DH not really accepting his infertility and that's why he won't "through money at it", but I don't know what i can do to help him realise it and accept it as a fact.

Caitni - how was Wales in a camper van. Hope it didn't rain and you got to see some pretty countryside.

Ei- what did you buy in the continental market? Jealous of you! Congratulations on having a fab chart! It is really exciting for you this month.

Jolly - LOL at Jolly Cub having two teeth now! Jolly Cub will have shed all her milk teeth and probably be reaching her teens by the time I get my baby

MrsH - are you surviving the out laws being in town? Thank you for your common sense the other day when I was having my melt down about DH. We have made peace (he cannot hold a grudge) and will be booking the private session for June, with NHS to follow if necessary (although hopefully not needed!). Thnak goodness the funding thing went his way, or I would be finding a new husband I think

Bucky - soooo eeeee! We'll be sending out search parties to find you at this rate!!! Come and post, woman!

No news form me, except that AF arrived! It was quite a shock, as I had absolutely NO symptoms this month to indicate my cycle was back on track - no PMT, mucus, or sore (.)(.) (he he, I haven't made that symbol for ages ). It's a proper full AF so I think that makes me about 7 days late compared to when the bleeding started for the early m/c. I am really pleased that things have got more or less back on track so quickly. I have never felt to glad to have an AF since starting this TTC lark all those years ago!

Hello to MOB and readyfor2and3 and anyone else missed, if you are still about.

Must dash and do some work - I have another horrid week ahead

Hello all

I wrote a mahoosive post almost a week ago, askiong GG whether detente had been reached in the Gin household and checking on the rest of you but now I look it isn't bloody there.

I can't remember everything I wrote and am queasy again but suffice it to say I have been thinking about you all.

I had my scan last week and bean looked good. We're still waiting on the results of the downs tests but I reckon all will be ok. I also feel so rotton I reckon this one has got to be a boy. It's measuring a bit big too so I am taking that as a sign.

The in-laws have finally left so I can put my feet up anywhere I like!

Back soon.xx

Good morning ladies

I hope everyone is ok, and had good Easter weekends.

JB I can't believe our jollycub has 2 teeth already! Before we know it she'll be doing GCSE'S

EI Sounds like you had a lovely weekend planned. Hope you had a great time. I shall have to do a bit of stalking as well and peek at your chart

PnM Definitely at the thought of a sporty two seater! Go for it, and book a holiday involving something like abseiling / scuba diving etc to further envoke the laws of pregnativity. Infact, book a week long pate making / wine tasting course as well Glad your sister's wedding went well, and i second the request for pics!!

Caitni Hope you are having / have had a lovely trip away.

GG I'm so pleased that your cycle seems to have settled down so quickly, and also that things with DH have also sorted themselves out. My thoughts were similar to PnM, in that rather than him trying to be deliberately cruel / penny-pinching - his actions came across as those of someone who is actually rather fearful, and worried about failure. From what you have said he has a successful career, (and obviously a successful marriage) and this is one thing he has less control over. Not that i am excusing him being horrible to you!! Glad thing are sorted though, and that it is all systems go for June.

MrsH So pleased to hear the scan went well. Hopefully the MS will ease soon, and you will reach the "blooming" stage

Bucky Hope things are a bit better with you now.

Bit of an anxious time for us at the moment. I had a routine scan last week, and they discovered that twin 2's growth has slowed. He is slipping down the growth charts, so obviously they were concerned. i saw my consultant in the afternoon, who said they will monitor me closely, and, if he doesn't pick up, they will have to get them out. I have the next scan a week today, so we are hoping and praying that it is just a blip, and they can stay put for a while. I initially googled myself into utter gloom and doom, so i am trying to avoid doing that any more. Typical males - they are causing trouble and worry already

MOB - it is great to hear from you again. I've been thinking about you and your two little ones. Big ((((((higs)))))))) to you for the tough week you must have had and I am so sorry to hear your worrying news about twin 2. How many weeks are you now? Fingers crossed for the scan next week and that your little-er one is growing strongly again. Please let us know how you get on. I am sure they will both be big strong boys. Is your doctor good and reassuring?

I think we've all said on here that Google is the work of the devil and leads to all sorts of worries. Please don't goggle again! If we can help, please post here. I'm thinking of you lots.

MrsH - poor you feeling so sick. Glad to hear you survived the in-laws staying and you can relax again. Really pleased to hear that the scan went well and let us know how the Downs test result is fine - is it neucal fold test you are having (I am quite ignorant of such pregnancy things )

Big hello to caitni, PnM Bucky Jolly and ei.

Nothing to report here really. DH is abroad again and I am off to a Tarts 'n' Vicars party this weekend in Stirling at my best friend's house (Mibbes if you still lurk here, I think you live in Stirling? Please tell me you are not going to this?!?). I have bought myself a rather fetching nun outfit (I'm sticking with the ecclesiastical theme), which I got delivered to work! I live in an flat and they can't deliver there when I am out, so had to come here. I was a bit concerned that there would be a notice on the Intra-Net under Unclaimed Post - "1 x Naughty Nun outfit with wimple, fishnets and silver cross, size 10. Please claim from Post Room" I think DH is sorry he is working away .

He's decided to go as a rabbi and has the beard and everything!!

Afternoon all

MOB I'm sorry to hear of the stress you're under after your scan news. It must be so worrying (though I had to at your typical males comment!). I'm going to be cheering your twins on so that they can both stay put in there for as long as possible . How many weeks are you now btw?

GG the fancy dress party sounds v funny (cool costumes!). And glad to hear that you and your DH have sorted things out . Though sorry to hear that work is so stressful (was at the working on Good Friday!).

PnM so glad to hear that the wedding went well (and that having your dad stay wasn't too bad!). And glad to hear you're temping too, though it's a right pain in the arse when your temps just won't behave (I've temped the last two months and am officially sick of it again already ). I hope it helps you get to the bottom of your mysterious cycles...

MrsH yay for a good scan!! I'm so happy to hear that little beanie is growing well. Though sorry to hear you're still feeling a bit rotten - fingers crossed it settles down soon

Ei any news from you? I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the witch stays away

JB wow, jollycub has two teeth! Sounds like she's thriving (and that she's keeping her mummy on her toes!).

Bucky hello m'dear, hope that you had a good break from work over Easter.

We had an utterly brilliant time in Snowdonia, had glorious weather the whole weekend and it was so much fun to be in the camper van (I, of course, want a camper van of our own now! Though they're £10k a pop so I reckon we'll just have to wait until we get through IVF successfully and someday buy a flat before I can seriously convince my DH that we need one...). Though our enjoyment was a teensy bit interupted by the arrival of my AF two freakin' days early [annoyed] (PnM this was after temping too, but I guess FF hadn't picked up my ov date properly [sigh]).

Still, I could still do my day 3 bloods today (on day 5). But now I'm stressed out as apparently my oestradiol is elevated (301 when they look for under 200) and this could be making my FSH appear lower than it really is. I'm going back for an AMH test tomorrow (my antral follicle count was good so the nurse said it's likely that my AMH will be fine). This probably all reads like gobbledygook so I'm going to post a thread about it and hope to get some MN wisdom on it...

Hi all hope you are all keeping well and that things are good for you all x

MOB Hope the next scan shows better growth and that they can stay put a bit longer x

MrsHappy Glad the bean is still doing well and glad that you can put your feet up now the outlaws are gone

Caitni Glad you enjoyed your holiday and hope the tests go well x

GG Glad things are resolved with your DH and heres hoping for some great summer news from you

Hi to everyone else not mentioned x

Just thought I would pop in and let you know that I had my 20 week scan today (am 20+6)
and everything is good with both babies and we are having 1 of each its finally sinking in that there are 2 in there now lol

hi ladies
just a quick one while im on my dads laptop
MOB sorry to hear of the worries over the twins xx hope all turns out fine and you have some weeks stretched out ahead of you to cook the babies a bit longer
RFN2+3 nice to see you glad all is well with your 2
hello to everyone else
well AF was due tuesday morning (when it usually arrives) and up to now there is no sign so who knows but im not feeling up to testing as im not wanting to be as disappointed as last month with BFN and then AF not long after so there we are!! late and not tested what am i to do??!!
hope all is well
xx ei xx

Ei OMG!! Looking so good for you (love the new name too ). When are you going to test?? Sending you lots of positive vibes

RFN2&3 yay for your good news! One of each - how utterly lovely (can you tell I'd not so secretly love twins? ).

Waves to everyone else

So I had my AMH blood test this morning - I won't get the results until at least next Thurs so just have to keep my fingers crossed that it comes back showing a good ovarian reserve.

But in good news I just won my first ever ebay auction! A Belfast sink I want to use as a garden planter (planning to use it to grow more salad leaves) for only a fiver! I pick it up on Sat morning. It makes me feel so chuffed! (am currently all about getting the garden sorted out).

Hey Ladies

I, like MrsH wrote a novel of a post last week and then it disappeared!! Think there is something wrong with MN and it is broken!

The only thing that I wrote that I remember now was peeing my pants laughing at Caitnis psycho bunny comment . And then apologising every time I utilised the psycho bunny throughout my post.

MOB Please let us know how things go (higs) and yes, as per GGs question, how many weeks are you?

Glad you all seem to be ticking along nicely....having fun in the sun and eating chocs. My DP has started obsessing about campervans Caitni (he wants hols that we can take the pups on!), maybe we could have joint venture and go halves LOL .

Nothing really to report here. My hospital appointment is this afternoon when we get to hear if they will refer us for IVF....will let you know how it goes.

Still super busy at work so gotta run.

Much love. xx Bucky

Hi Bucky - your DH is a wise man with his camper van obsession - I'm totally converted (though reckon we'll stick to camping for the time being) - the folks in the van next to us not only had their dogs but also brought their bird feeder, so we all got to enjoy the robins/sparrows/blue tits/coal tits that came to feed. I loved it!

Good luck this avo - I'll check in later to see how it goes xx

sorry Bucky - I meant DP there (must stop faffing about on t'internet and actually get down to work!)