The WIMBEWAI(N)F Club

[Bucky2008]

OK, so how about we start of on a positive....

I bought the test.

I did the test.

BFP .

Job done.

oh and bucky yep it is me you have added on FB i added you too so now we are FB friends aswell
xx ei xx

Good morning all

Ei it is good to see you.

I am pretty sure I am out this month. Its only 10dpo but my temp is heading constantly lower. And my "symptoms" have gone. Sigh. I wish I could just give up this ttc lark.

Well that's crappy news for a Monday morning. I hope the rest of it goes more smoothly!

MrsH when is AF due? Could it be a dip?

Well I feel guilty about this, as I should be taking the ttc process more seriously, but I didn't go to my Day 21 blood test. I couldn't get a nurse appointment and my local surgery and it would have meant me taking a whole half day off work to go to the hospital. Last time I did this I went and they informed me it was a 'special' clinic and they wouldn't do it for me. So, when I had to make a last minute decision about what to do I got on the train to work. My logic was...if I get a BFP I obviously ovulated and if I don't I will have to take it again next month and then I will go for the Day 21 bloods. I know I ovulated though it was really obvious this month. Let's hope there werent 10 eggs or something, but as they didn't tell me to come in for a scan I don't think they would have been able to tell anyway.

Well, I am still not sure what to think...my digestive system is sluggish to say the least. However, whilst I was beginning to think Clomid was the secret to all my skin problems (as I have had perfect skin for weeks), I have now turned into a pizza face. This generally happens about now pre AF. I have also felt a bit PMS-y. However, I am REALLY sleepy. I never sleep past six even on days off and i slept in till 9am on Saturday and Sunday and I had to have a nap yesterday afternoon as I was literally falling asleep on myself. This happened with PG no. 1 before the MC obviously, so I really don't know what to think. I don't have any tender (.)(.) or CM particularly...I might just be a bit toxic after all the seasonal celebrations. Maybe now that it is over and I am a pure vessel again (Well since Friday anyway) maybe my body is detoxing, hence the spots and sleepiness...

Anyway, what is everyone up to today? I am practising 'avoidance' at work as I have stuff to do and no motivation .

Not really, Bucky. My temp has been slowly slipping downwards since Saturday and is now less than a degree above the cover line. The sad thing is that food still tastes rank, so that is another thing I can add to my list of fake symptoms.

I've looked over old charts (mine are all very different) and the most similar ones were non-pregnancy ones from December 07 and May 08. Of course both of those were a couple of cycles before I got pregnant so maybe my bean is just around the corner [stupid optimist emoticon].

Your symptoms sound confusing. I vote we both just forget about it all until Friday, by which time we will know the answer without having to pee on anything. They wouldn?t have been able to tell if you produced lots of eggs from a blood test. And even if they could, by then it would be a bit flipping late! I do think the sleepiness sounds promising?

Hi everyone

MOB 12 weeks already - wow!! Am sure it felt like a long time to you, but it's flown by for me...it's such a big milestone and I'm so happy for you to be achieving it! Can't wait to hear about the "proper" scan

Ei I've heard those books are v enjoyable! They don't sound like my cup of tea, but some of my buddies just love when a new one comes out . Glad you're enjoying them.

MrsH sorry to hear about temp dropping slightly, I'm still hoping it's not over for you this month. I think you're perfectly right to symptom spot and get your hopes up - I know it's a rollercoaster, but you will get your BFP and a beautiful bouncing baby so it's important to keep the faith (keep the faith, sounds like a bon jovi album title but hope you know what I mean!). And I think you're very in tune with your body, which has kept you safe in the past (spotting your first EP), and symptom spotting is all part of that. Looking forward to practically being neighbours!

PnM so glad the new job is going well! But at the possibility of your old colleague tracking you on here - that hadn't even crossed my mind as something that could happen. I hope she hasn't, or if she has then she respects your privacy and keeps schtum about anything she reads...and I hope your egg hurries up and makes an appearance. I was actually giggling at your comment about the unpacked boxes, as we have indeed got a closet full of them (amazingly, half of one whole big box is full of shoes that I insisted I loved/wore too much to give to charity and I've not touched them since we moved in July!).

Mibbes lovely to see you - I hope Evan's thriving

RFN2 nearly 7 weeks already - yay! I hope the nausea eases off soon, but I'm glad to hear how things are progressing for you

Bucky naughty you, missing the day 21 test! I'm no expert but it sounds to me like you definitely ov'ed, so the test would just have shown some reassuringly high level of progesterone. So no need to beat yourself up about it . The sleepiness sounds like an excellent symptom so shall be keeping my fingers firmly crossed that this is your lucky month

And big hello to anyone I've missed - am still v busy at work so checking MN is a bit furtive at the moment .

Not much going on with me. I've got my HSG booked for Thurs morning and have decided to take the whole day off as it seems like too much of a faff to get into work for half a day (like I need any excuse!). There's a good chance I'll have ov'ed by the time I have the HSG so I reckon I'm definitely out this month, so am half heartedly temping (to see if I do ov or not) but otherwise am trying to keep my mind off all things ttc. We're also off to an IVF open evening at the Lister tonight - I booked onto it yonks ago and had forgotten until I got the call reminding me on Friday . It's our first step in investigating clinics, though I'm going to see about an NHS referral once we move as I'm happy to see what we can get on the NHS first, especially tests-wise. Though the waiting list of IVF in our new borough is long (8-12 months) so reckon we'd go private if IVF is what a consultant advises...

Hi all

A confused post from me today?

I don't know what is going on. I have a funny taste in my mouth and have done since 6dpo or so. Food tastes strange. My back aches. I feel sick all of the time, but especially in the morning and at night, and this morning I thought I might hurl in a meeting. I was so tired last night that I went to bed at 9:30.

All of the above would make me think that I was pg, except my breasts are not sore (unless I give them a good prodding!!). Having taken a dive, my temps bounced back up today (albeit after v disturbed sleep because my DD thought there was a spider in her bed at 4am). I notice that it often does that on 11 dpo though.

And the most conclusive evidence for not being pg? I have had 2 BFNs, one on Sunday (9dpo, FMU) and one today (not using FMU though). I thought I might have seen a vague line today, but to be honest, I don't think that tests are supposed to be read whilst squinting, tilting them into the light and standing on one leg to lean closer to the window. There was no line, who am I kidding?

The problem here, ladies, is that I am just so stupidly desperate to get pg. The world is going to hell in a handcart and I want my own little bit of bliss with my family complete, then I won't mind whatever else life has to throw at us. I just found out that some more friends are pg. I am really thrilled for them - it's their first baby and they will be lovely parents. But it still gives me a jolt every time. I almost (completely unfairly) feel like these people are getting the baby that should have been mine IYSWIM.

Right, sorry for the rant. I hope you are all ok and I will post rather less about me later! I hope everyone is having a good day.

(ps - how was the Lister, Caitni? Are you going to see UCH too?)

Oh MrsH so sorry to hear about BFN, though it is still early. I know you know this, but a pregnancy chart can look like just about any other type of chart until you get the BFP so there's still hope, especially when your symptoms are promising...I'm keeping my fingers firmly crossed for you (and Bucky).

Lister was excellent - DH was most impressed as the clinical director was just so scientific and rational (my DH has a not-so-secret hatred of the Zita West/Marilyn Glenville stress/vitamins/visualisations school of ttc so was most impressed with lots of stats and graphs - makes a change from the unproven vits and what have you that I've been forcing on us both for months now ). I'm currently in a very good category, age & fsh wise, so I'm even more tempted to not procrastinate exploring the IVF route. We'd like three children, so while time is on my side at the moment (I'm 31) it's not so great if you think of the time involved in having 3 children via assisted conception...but, this is to Bucky in particular (and GG if she's lurking), not having carried a baby to term is not necessarily a bad indicator of IVF success. It seems it would be worse if you've yet to give birth to your first child but you get pregnant very easily but miscarry every time...and also it seems that as long as alcohol is kept sensible then it's not really a problem. In the clinical director's words "only give up drinking if you're an alcoholic - if you have one or two glasses of wine every other day, or even every day, then you're fine". To be honest, I was very taken with the Lister...though I did find it more than a little depressing to see all of the apparently "normal" couples who had packed into the room. There were 18 couples in total...sigh...but in general we left there quite perked up in spirit and feeling quite positive (in fact, we walked all the way from the Lister, on the Chelsea embankment, to London Bridge station talking about IVF and our plans for the future and life in general - twas great!).

Anyway, enough rambling. I'm a little tipsy after a champagne and oyster lunch (myself and a colleague took another colleague out to wet the head of his three week old baby at the St Pancras champagne bar - yum!). Best get the nose back to the proverbial grindstone and at least fake some "workiness".

Love to you all
xx

MrsH don't be a sad cycle buddy ....you still have symptoms and no AF yet, so its not over till its over. I kind of had an opposite freak out today. DP works in retail construction, needless to say all is not well in his business world! I work in Development (uh-oh ). We had a plan before about how I would save enough to cover my maternity leave and of course DP's income would still be coming in. Now I a bit freaked out. If DP got made redundant and I was on maternity leave...what would we do?!! I would have to go back to work and leave him home with the baby! This is not changing my plan (hopefully it is too late for that anyway ) but it did freak me out.

Caitni the Lister sounded interesting. I actually saw that advertised but it was months ago and I didn't book because of the MC. Sounds like it gave you a boost though which is fantastic. Several of the girls on the assited conception thread went to Sweden to Scanhealth (which I was looking into) and it gets rave reviews. It is way cheaper too at £2500 a cycle. Worth considering if you go that route.

Hi to everyone else. PicknMix, hope the new job is working out to be what you expected. Any sign of the egg yet?

Hola to Ei, MOB and everyone else xx.

Me well, still got mild cramps, I cried at three news items on GMTV this morning and I am really tired, although not so sleepy tonight. My skin is the worst ever. I am thinking of wearing a mask tomorrow. No tender tits here either though. I am a bit alarmed at the amount I am eating at the moment. I go to Miami in three weeks and I don't want to put all the weight back on before I get there!!! Ah well. I guess I have to leave that Tarte Citron in the fridge....

Bucky, you must be about 12dpo by now.
How about peeing on one of them new-fangled stick things??

Caitni, I am glad the Lister went well. When I go to my clinic I always find it a bit surprising how many people are there. It's an epidemic I tell you! Anyway, it does sound like you had a lovely evening with Mr Caitni, which is v important I think. TTC makes us all snarling stressheads from time to time so it is nice when it delivers a happy moment. And I think you are very sensible thinking about getting on with things. I have always wanted at least 3 children (although right now I would settle for 2) and cannot believe what has happened over the last 18 months. I think being proactive is the best way forward for all of us.

Hi to everyone else. I hope things are ok and that new jobs, new haircuts, new babies and future twins are making you happy.

I am feeling period-y now, with some cramps and backache. And I still feel sick. Oh sod it, I don't know what is going on. I think I will wait and see if a baby pops out in 9 months, then I will know for sure...

Alternatovely ei can you please use your psychic skills to figure out why I am so flipping queasy? Ta!

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to say a quick hello and say that I am lurking but often by the time I finish catching up DD wakes and demands feeding very loudly.

MOB I was really worried when I read about your bleeding but am so happy you've reached 12 weeks, hurray!

Bucky Any peeing on a stick action from you yet?

MrsH Fingers crossed that all these confused symptoms lead to a BFP.

Caitni Glad your appointment has left you feeling positive.

Big hugs to all, sorry for not saying hello to everyone but I'm knackered and need to go to bed . I'll try and do a proper hello to everyone in the next few days.

Morning all, Had to get up at silly o clock this a.m, am now sat in a [chauffeur driven] car on my way to Gloucester for work. Its all glam in my life now . Wish I was still in bed though!

MRSH I'm sorry you're feeling down bout things, it's always difficult to hear news of someone elses pregnancy, even when you're genuinely happy for them. Big higs for you chick. As others have said, it ain't over til the evil witch appears, I still have everything crossed for you

Bucky you've got some pretty good symptoms going on lady! Does the tarte citron live to see another day or did you cave?? Am with you on the panic re work/maternity/sahm/sahd - its something I keep wondering about but my theory is others have had it happen and have coped on far less than me so I'm sure all will be ok

Really lovely to hear from you JB, how is DD doing?

Will have to look those books up Ei, they sound like my idea of good escapism! How are you and dd doing whilst your dh is away?

Hi Mob, how are you feeling? Are you finding this pregnancy much more tiring than your previous ones? Hope you're ok and your dh is still reading bits out of the pregnancy book to you !

Sounds like it was a worthwhile trip to the Lister Caitni, made me smile reading about your 'life' talks with MrCaitni - I find its so easy to get caught up with the mundane ('have you put the washing on'/'paid the veg man'/'bought the milk'/'posted the letter' etc) that its easy to forget to actually talk about the big stuff! Yay for being proactive as well

My job is going ok, bit of a stresshead about it but its taking my mind off ttc which can only be a good thing!! Still no sign of the egg - cd46 now. Ridiculous body. Was expecting big things of the cycle following my hsg, must have scared af into hiding . Tis greatly annoying though.

Oh, and the reason I thought my work colleague had traced me on here was because she's a nosy cow person and I left my laptop open with the Mnet page open (not up on screen, it was minimised, but as I say, she's nosy) when I went to the loo couple of weeks ago. Since then she's mentioned something that I know I wouldn't have told her, but that I have written on here about. My own fault really. Ah well....

Have a good Wednesday everyone. Can't believe its still dark outside! Was up at 4.30, not home til bout 9p.m ish, am bored and tired already! Anyone wanna play spot the Eddie Stobart with me?? Xx

Morning all, Had to get up at silly o clock this a.m, am now sat in a [chauffeur driven] car on my way to Gloucester for work. Its all glam in my life now . Wish I was still in bed though!

MRSH I'm sorry you're feeling down bout things, it's always difficult to hear news of someone elses pregnancy, even when you're genuinely happy for them. Big higs for you chick. As others have said, it ain't over til the evil witch appears, I still have everything crossed for you

Bucky you've got some pretty good symptoms going on lady! Does the tarte citron live to see another day or did you cave?? Am with you on the panic re work/maternity/sahm/sahd - its something I keep wondering about but my theory is others have had it happen and have coped on far less than me so I'm sure all will be ok

Really lovely to hear from you JB, how is DD doing?

Will have to look those books up Ei, they sound like my idea of good escapism! How are you and dd doing whilst your dh is away?

Hi Mob, how are you feeling? Are you finding this pregnancy much more tiring than your previous ones? Hope you're ok and your dh is still reading bits out of the pregnancy book to you !

Sounds like it was a worthwhile trip to the Lister Caitni, made me smile reading about your 'life' talks with MrCaitni - I find its so easy to get caught up with the mundane ('have you put the washing on'/'paid the veg man'/'bought the milk'/'posted the letter' etc) that its easy to forget to actually talk about the big stuff! Yay for being proactive as well

My job is going ok, bit of a stresshead about it but its taking my mind off ttc which can only be a good thing!! Still no sign of the egg - cd46 now. Ridiculous body. Was expecting big things of the cycle following my hsg, must have scared af into hiding . Tis greatly annoying though.

Oh, and the reason I thought my work colleague had traced me on here was because she's a nosy cow person and I left my laptop open with the Mnet page open (not up on screen, it was minimised, but as I say, she's nosy) when I went to the loo couple of weeks ago. Since then she's mentioned something that I know I wouldn't have told her, but that I have written on here about. My own fault really. Ah well....

Have a good Wednesday everyone. Can't believe its still dark outside! Was up at 4.30, not home til bout 9p.m ish, am bored and tired already! Anyone wanna play spot the Eddie Stobart with me?? Xx

Oooooh, get you in the flash car PnM. This sounds like a very posh job you have got, but I hope you had a good day and are not knackered.

And now: a message to Picknmix's work colleague. Please don't read her posts, it's not nice and is called "stalking". But if you do happen to read them (maybe by accident) please have the good sense not to repeat what you have read. Yes, we write about our cervical mucus on the internet, but we like our privacy too.

Bucky what's up? You can't post symptoms and then go all silent. Did you pee on a stick yet?

I did this morning and it was a BFN. No surprise there, but can someone please tell me why I have a horrid taste in my mouth and feel sick if I am not pg? It must be a bug or something. Temps have gone down again but remain above the line. Well, my period is due Friday so we shall see...

Lovely to see you JB, give a kiss to the cub from her cyber-auntie.

And higs to all I have missed.

Ei stop reading that book, go to bed and have some psychic dreams. Try to find out when I will get my bean, there's a dear. As of today I have officially been lapped in the TTC business. I need some hope, there's a dear.

LOL MrsH is cracking me up today .

I agree..get PicknMix with her 'call the chauffeur darling, I need to go to Gloucester' car!!! . If we weren't all totally fabulous, you might have out fabulous'ed us! Tee hee.

Hey JB you sound blissfully happy if totally knackered . Glad everything is going well though and love to the jollycub. xx

Hola Ei, Caitni and MOB (where are you MOB???) and RFN2 and Mibbes and and and...all my other favo girls.

Well no, been super duper busy (thank goodness) so have not peed on a stick yet. I was going to get a test on the way home to do in the morning, but was late for my train and had to run to get on it, so didn't get one in the end. This is a repeat performance of last time...lets hope the result is a repeat too!

That said, I don't have any symptoms now, except starvation, a slight ache and pizza face. As with cycle buddy MrsH AF is due Friday...If I get a test tomorrow I will check in! Laters ladies.

Oooops, just realised I am addicted to the mildly patronising phrase "there's a dear". Sorry Ei, didn't mean to drown you in "dears"...

Bucky I am glad I have cheered up someone. I have been lapped again ! That's twice this week...
And there is no need for me to pee on any sticks since my period arrived today, apparently a day early. Well at least this means I will have stoped bleeding by the time I have my op... and I get to get on with cycle, what is it?, 3 million at least. Am excited to see what happens wth you though. Buy a stick. They sell them in Tescos you know.

Well I am now officially paranoid and have managed to convince myself that my left tube is not working. I think I am going to let the doctors have no more than 2 goes at clomid or IUI and then I want my IVF. No more messing. My DD needs siblings. I need a baby. And me and my husband both need to stop TTC before we go mad.

Love to you all, even if I haven't named you here it does not mean I love you any less.

Morning

Have a FR HPT. Should I go and test even though no FMU and AF not due till tomorrow or shall I wait? .

Dilemma.

Hold your wee for, say, three hours and then test.

Go on!

Oi Bucky

NOT FAIR

I am on tenterhooks here...

Sorry had a meeting at 9.30am till lunchtime! I tested straight after my post and it was a BFN...so it looks like I am out. That would have been close to 2 hours since the pee before!

Aw, kind of disappointed this month. I thought the Clomid would be some kind of wonder drug!! .

Oh Bucky. Have some (((higs)))
Don't be too disappointed. It's only the first month afterall and am I right in thinking that your LP has been longer with the clomid than without it?

Oh God I nearly forgot - Caitni you had your HSG today, yes? Are you ok? Did it go well?

Hi ladies

Bucky big to you for the BFN. So horrible getting one...clomid works marvels though, so I shall keep my fingers crossed for next month.

MrsH more to you for AF arriving . Your symptoms sounded so promising this month too, I really had high hopes for you. I understand the desire to move to IVF sooner rather than later - each month of ttc just feels like a lifetime. I just want me and DH to become parents so that all of this emotional turmoil can start to receed! I'm also currently entirely unconvinced by IUI. No one seems to publish their stats on it, but my googling makes me think that there's a 20% chance of success each cycle. Since that's conparable for a normal, healthy couple's success rates I just don't think it works that well. We'll talk to a consultant about it, but the Lister emphasised that couples' wishes about their treatment were important so I think regardless of who we see, unless they can convince me that IUI is an excellent idea (and not just because it's less invasive - after all, IUI would still involve some drug taking & scanning), then we'd head to IVF quite promptly.

MOB have you had your scan yet?? Can't wait to hear about it xx

PnM mumsnetting from the car - you are a glam lady! Hope your egg shows up soon. Remind me, do you temp or wait for CM etc to know you're ovulating?

JB so lovely to hear from you - hope your DD is thriving! And that you're not too knackered

And hi to everyone else.

I did indeed have my HSG today and all's well with the plumbing - I have apparently got "a lovely womb and totally clear tubes". And that was from the consultant, as the registrar couldn't get the catheter past my cervix and into the womb. He tried for about 5 mins before seeking out the consultant (the nurse was amazed, as apparently a womb has never defeated him like this before!?!). So I was left legs akimbo, speculum in place, for another ten mins while he got the consultant, who then also struggled with the pesky catheter. I think he was then extra effusive in his reassurance that all's well with the pipes to make up for my extra long wait - I did also blurt out at one point "is it taking so long because I've got a wonky womb?" and received a short but sweet lecture on how every woman's womb is different, even the same woman can be different due to contents of bladder etc. Nothing was painful though, so I didn't mind. And the nurse is about to qualify after three years of studying accupuncture so we got to chat about that while the doctors faffed around. All in all, most interesting to see inside myself!

Though DH is a little blue, as yet another test to confirm how "normal" I am versus his low sperm count. Still, we had no advice not to ttc this month so are going to go at it like rabbits today and tomorrow and see if we can catch my egg .

Awwwww MrsH I'm really really sorry to hear you're on to another cycle. Its all a load of pants isn't it... I have nooooo idea what cycle I'm on now. Have no particular want to know either as the month counting has begun (major underplay ) to wear me down. It's good that you will be able to get your op done this cycle though (looking on the bright side ).

The bfn is pretty pants as well Bucky although am I right in thinking you haven't actually got your period yet though? AND that the test was not with fmu? Can understand that it must be very disheartening when Chlomid is billed as such a wonderdrug.

The hsg sounds like it was a bit of an ordeal for you Caitni. Hate that when they have to leave you stranded with your legs akimbo but at least you got a thorough consultation. I used to temp but haven't for the past couple of months as it was all too much, just awaiting cm and sore (.)(.)s to provide the proof that the egg has been and gone... Although today I have had baaaad tummy cramps and the boobs are beginning their tell tale soreness so am assuming the egg has been and gone without trace and I've 'do not pass go'ed' and gone straight to jail and af will arrive in the next few days. Weird analogy, apologies - its been a long week

Awwww its big all round for the WIMBEWAIFer's tonight.

Where are you MOB? Hope everything is ok with you and the chicklets.

Hope you're doing ok as well Ei?

Work is already stressing me out, not sure I'm cut out for this new role. Have to try and believe in myself, my boss is fab but he doesn't suffer fools gladly so best not make any mistakes...

Have more work to catch up on now so I'll be off, take care everyone, love to all not mentioned (a la MrsH!)

xx

Oh, and I think I forgot to mention that my hospital appt to discuss my hsg findings has been postponed from the 26th March (which I thought was too far away anyway) until the 11th JUNE!!!!

The results will be pretty much null and void by then, given that my blood tests were done back in July 08 and the hsg was in December.

Bloody NHS.

Not happy.

Kerrrrrching to Mr Private Consultant man as yet another poor tax payer has to dig deep in order to get a reasonable service.

Jesus, Picknmix, that is totally unacceptable. Have they given any reason for postponing your appointment? Your GP sounded sympathetic - can she maybe speed things up or send you to a further away - but more efficient - hospital? (Patient choice and all that).
Don't stress about your job BTW. You are a clever girl and I am sure you are up to it.

I'm glad your HSG results were good Caitni but what a pain in the cervix being left there for ages. There's something completely yucky about lying there with a speculum in, but at least the results are what you need.

Right, am knackered yet again so off to bed. Laters!