The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

[Bucky2008]

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

hi ladies
scary sorry you think you might have had an anovulatory cycle FWIW after my first CP i had what i thought was an anovulatory cycle as my temp rose and fell quite erratically throughout the cycle and FF only gave me a possible ov date and kept changing it. i think i might be your bodies own way of taking a little break and recuperating. i know its not ideal but you have been through so much, and whilst this feels like another blow it might be exactly what your body needs to get you your sticky BFP and re the not meant to have another DC that notion could fit any one of us but that doesnt mean a thing. you WANT another DC and it is the most heart rending thing to feel like it will never happen but PMA lady!! it WILL happen for ALL OF US!!!
GG wow i couldnt do your job!! my sister wanted to be a barrister through school but didnt get onto the course for uni and i thought she was very brave trying. i hope you have a nice relaxing day today
hi to everyone else
PnM any news from you yet?
i caved in and tested today as my temp was really high for this point in my cycle and got (surprise surprise) a BFN i wasted a CBD aswell so now my cheapies have arrived i will try and hold off testing until saturday at the earliest but i dont know how much will power i have
speak to you all later
xx ei xx

just realised why Caitni isn't about, she's at her sister's wedding and MOB is on holiday! That explains it!

durrrrrr. Note to self - read the thread GG!

Hola Chicas (and a big hug for Hatty, great to see you!!!)

Scary fab that you dropped in . Hope you are having a good holiday. the egg stayed home though. Like ei said it may be setting you up for a sticky one next month though (think positive). .

Re Mr Needles, are you both a bit mental? . He looks about 15 and it spooks me out talking to him about my period. And I get bored lying on the bed thing, it gives me cramp in my leg. The needle stings my feet and my tummy and the heat lamp thing is like Molly sitting on my stomach for half an hour. And my ears bleed, he has to swab them for like half a minute when he is done. Also I always manage to insult him without meaning too. The first time I said something along the lines of 'oh good this should be quick then...' and the second time I said 'oh your job must be relaxing....'. The shame. I am going back when he gets back off hols but he will probably be dreading it!!! No competition here.

GG I am on CD15 but I don't think there is an egg yet. I did my OPK this afternoon in work and then hid it in my handbag whilst I was waiting for it to stop flashing and when I remembered the face had gone. So, I don't know if it was a , but the lines looked different so I don't think so.

I have to work all bleedin' night tonight so I should get off of here really. I am at home though so not as hard core as GG!!

Laters ladies.

Please ignore my crap gramma and punctuation. More haste less speed they say.... I should take note. .

I've been reading about Mr. Needles and had him down as a tall dark handsome gentleman possibly with a little distinguished (sp?) looking bit of grey hair, now Bucky has blown that image out of the water
It is making me laugh! Can anyone sneak a photo LOL

Lets just hope he can work his magic so you all get your BFP's soon.

Morning all,

Brilliant to hear from you Hatty, and so good to hear all is healthy and well with you

Gg yay for your DH! He sounds amazing with all the effort he's putting in - am certain it will pay off

How was your looooong nights work bucky?? Hope you managed to get some sleep?

Scary I had a google for you as well but Gg managed to sum it up pretty well - I couldn't find any better info than hers. As Ei says, it must be your body sorting itself out ready for a great cycle next month. Big hugs tho, must feel like a kick in the teeth after the last few months.

Hows the non-testing going Ei? Any more symptoms? All sounds pretty good to me!! Fingers crossed for you x

I'm on 13dpo now and my temp plummetted this a.m so I think I'm out this month. Want to cry but wont - will try and be stoical! Seeing as the dr wont do anything for us there's not alot I can feel positive about at the mo. Gosh - period def on its way, hark at my pre-menstrual whining!!

My Dh hasn't even had his referral letter through yet (they promised they sent it a week ago). Think Dh wants to wait until he's actually in the system befor complaining (he's suck a stickler for doing things by the book - i'm far too hot headed by comparison!).

Right, am off to work now, spk to you later X

morning ladies
PnM sorry you think you are out this cycle i really hope you are wrong and it is just your body gearing up for the high tempsof preg good luck and baby dust for you
i had another high temp this morning aswell as a triphasic on FF but im trying not to get excited about it (verging on impossible) i will be testing on saturday/sunday if no AF by then
i hope your night of working wasnt too tiring bucky
hi to everyone else
xx ei xx

PnM for you, hope AF doesn't show.

Ei Good for you, I will be watching the thread over the weekend to hopefully get BFP news from you

GG I forgot to say how impressed I was with your DH efforts, let it all hang out that's what I say

Period has arrived in style this morning. I'm practically crippled by the waves of cramps I'm getting which is really kicking me when I'm down

I really think I might have to bow out of the ttc 'race' (I know its not a race but you know what I mean). I just can't do this anymore. Cycle 14 (or is it 15?) and 18 months in and I've had enough. I appreciate this is hormones talking but its becoming soul destroying. And I do realise some of you are in a worse situation - I'm sorry for my self-obsessed whinging, its the last thing you guys need to hear.

Best down some nurofen and get back to work!

oh PnM im so sorry AF got you please dont give up and if you do decide to then we will be here regardless of when you need support etc {{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}
xx ei xx

picknmix - I am so sorry that your AF turned up . It is so upsetting, heartrending even, to be reminded every month (in the way that men are not) that it's another month of not winning to TTC race. I think you are right though, it is a race. Not against each other, but against your own body and the tick tock of your own internal baby clock.

Do you think you will give up TTC for a few months and give MN and the 2WW a rest? I found it good to be away for a while because I was fed up with epople coming on the thread for a few weeks and voila, a BFP. Time out can be good, but we'll be here for you whenever. In some ways I think this thread has thinned out to people like us - me, Bucky, MOB for example and all the other regulars who love you. We are all in the same boat and have all been TTC for a long time and really understand your frustrations. Ei's right, we'll be here regardless. I think I am at about Cycle 20, and not going anywhere for ages yet . I can't remember anymore exactly what cycle I am on, but we started in Dec 2006 so it's been a long time.

You have your job interview soon and I am wishing you all the luck int he world for that! You will be brilliant and it's another chapter and a new challenge. This will happen for you, I know it. Big (((((((((higs))))))))))))

hello to everyone else on the thread. Bucky you make me laugh so much.

Here is a picture of Mr Needles and we can have a WIMBEWAIF vote in the style of "Hot Or Not?" We'll call it "Rate My Accupuncturist"

Will pop in later to say hello and check the results

OOOOH don't all rush to rate him girls!!!! . (Bucky raises a sarcastic eyebrow). See...See he looks about 13 and a half!

PicknMix biggest higs in the world to you. . If you must leave then I guess you must but PLEASE DON'T GOOOOOOOOOO...... Besides if you stop trying my unconcieved dc will not have his/her friend anymore. You do know that when your baby does turn up I will MAKE it be friends with my baby (if it ever turns up too ). I will be one of those mums who try and to make their children marry their friends children....and FORCE them to play together . In fact I won't have to force them as they will have loved each other since before they existed out in cyber baby land....OK, I have gone mental yet again...but you are all used to it now. I really really feel for you, as the girls have said already we are here for you whatever you choose to do, but we DO know how you feel. I started ttc in May 2006 and one MC later I am still bleedin here. Sometimes though when people stop 'trying' it just happens so it may be a good decision even though I will miss you horribly. And Molly Dog and Finn Dog will miss you too .

Me well, the turned up today....so the BDing continues as do the never ending cycles..... Happy weekend everyone. xx

Why do I keep saying 'bleedin'???? . 'Hello Bucky, this is the nineteen eighties, can I have my word back please?'. Talking of words I was listening to Ricky Jervais' podcast and somebody suggested that for every new word that gets added to the dictionary we should get rid of one nobody uses any more. An example was 'Dodo', if there is no bird why do we need the word anymore they said. Well the concept made me smile anyway .

PnM I'm so sorry TEW turned up. Did you say earlier that the medical prof won't do anything for you yet? But you've been trying long enuf? Sorry, I've probably missed your posts on that before, if you don't want to go thru it again I understand. I really feel for you (((((hugs)))))

GG & Bucky Mr Needles isn't that bad! He does at least look over 18 whilst he's not my cup of tea I can certainly see why one might get flustered around him especially for the treatment he is giving you. I'd give him a 7 out of 10!

I know I'm not in the same boat as you girls anymore but I feel like you were my support for the year I was TTC. I'm so pleased you don't mind a few of us oldies hanging around. I keep looking on because if anyone deserves BFP's it is each and every one of you ladies. I can't tell you how much I wish you your BFP's. Let's hope you don't have to suffer any more monthly disappointments.

Thank you all for your words of friendship and encouragement. Its helps more than you could know having your support. Your posts made me cry a little - altho yours made me smile as well Bucky which is impressive given the mood I'm in! I'm not sure about whether I have the strength to carry on or give up with it all - both are equally hard to do. My dh is not happy to just 'give up' but he doesn't have the physical reminders that us ladies have to endure.

I have just played 2 1/2 hours of tennis thrashing out my demons and it has surprisingly helped clear my head a little although I'm still feeling at odds with the world.

Its wierd - I don't think I could leave this thread but I'm glad I'm not the only one to find it galling when a newbie enters then leaves so quickly with a bfp gg - it makes me feel so incredibly selfish and I don't wish anyone to be in the same boat as me and that makes it worse!

Mob - just to recap - my dr did all the usual blood tests and they came back 'normal' and now we have to wait 2 months until my dh can have a sperm test (bleedin [thanks Bucky!] pct in this area is crap) and dr wont do anything else to help.

I'll be back after a few days, hopefully full of ttc vigour but for now I am off to sneak a very bad cigarette and bar of choc.

I will of course still be routing for you ei in the next few days

Group hug anyone?

Xx

PnM just popping in to join your group hug - so sorry TEW got you and that you are feeling so low. Do whatever feels right hun, and right now if that is a cigarette and chcoclate, who can blame you ? I hope you stick arond but maybe a break will do you good xx

Just to reiterate what MTW said I wish all of you ladies speedy BFPs - you are a lovely bunch and all deserve babies so that you can force them to marry each other (LOL at that thought Bucky !)
...and mmm 8 out of 10

hi ladies
temp drop and bfn for me this morning so it looks like im out again
il catch up later when im in a better frame of mind
xx ei xx

Sorry ei

How you doing Ei? Did she turn up or was it just a random drop in temp? Hope you are ok.

Hello Ladies!

We?re back from hols and missing the sunshine already.

LOL at the thought of ?rate my acupuncturist?. I don?t want the poor chap in that way, but he certainly seems nice and to know his stuff. Not sure what Bucky?s heat lamp is for though. I know what you mean about not being good at relaxing ? one time I spent the whole 30 minutes in the dark itching and wishing I could leave but afraid to yank the needles out. But that was a one off and since then all has been much better?

PNM I am glad you?re not planning to leave us completely. Sometimes, notwithstanding all of the great support I get on here, I can?t help wondering whether this thread is good for me or whether it just adds to the obsessing, So I can understand it if you?ve had mixed feelings. TTC is incredibly stressful, but we?re all on your side and I hope you?re feeling the (((higs))). (and neither party fags nor ttc disappointment fags count for anything in the great scheme of things...)

Lovely you popped back in MTW and Hatty - it?s always great to see our successful graduates!

I am sorry to hear you think you are out this month Ei, but I am sure you will get your sticky bean soon. (((higs))) to you too.

I hope you're ok and have recovered GG. God I used to hate doing those hours - firstly when we were not ttc it would always lead to me missing my pill. Still, I was too tired for sex so that was ok. And secondly it left me feeling jetlagged for days. Can you award yourself a day in lieu?

FF thinks my egg turned up on Thursday, which does seem to be the case from my temps. But slightly strange is the fact that I have been having low womb-y cramps and backache for a good 6 days now. And when I told my daughter I had a tummy ache a few days ago she said "that's because there is a baby in your tummy mummy" . I know it's mental but I actually think I might do a test tomorrow. Here's my chart so you can see how mad I have gone (and I had EWCM for two weeks until Wednesday). The thing is, I don't know how much air con/ heat / travel might have affected my temps the week before and I drank far too much (also giving wild temps) in the couple of weeks before we left so I am sort of wondering what might be cooking... (although probably nothing based on past performance )

Just dropping in to say hi to Scary. Glad to have you back. Not sure where everyone else has got to .

3dpo here, nothing else to report.

Hello ladies,

Thought I'd drop in and see how you're all doing. I hear some of you have been hanging out down in Exmouth Market for a bit of needlework. I've just booked into see my hospital's pin-pusher to sort out a few niggles, I shall let you know if he's worth adding to the 'rate my acupuncturist' list!

Am 34 weeks tomorrow, time seems to be flying by faster and faster as I get closer to the big push. Digi-bean is clearly going to be a kung-fu master with all the movements it has been practising.

bucky am not looking fabulous anymore, hormones have been re-directed away from giving me clear skin and thick shiny hair and are solely concentrating on preparing for this baby to be born. Have been transformed into a swollen, groaning, heaving, grunting elephant. Have got SPD, so I'll have to give birth on my knees, backwards, like a cow.

GG was very surprised to see you working so late. Hope you at least had a medicinal G&T to nurse you through the night.

SH hope you had a lovely holiday, fingers crossed your temps stay up. Dont forget, ov'ing can be delayed if you go on holiday...(haven't forgotten my research)

PnM sorry to hear you're feeling down. I'm so pleased this thread is still going (although not pleased you're still waiting for your babies, you will have them one day) because it was such an amazing pillar of support for me when I was TTC. These ladies ROCK!

ei sorry your temp's dropped. could it be a dip or has it stayed low today? anymore psychic dreams?

Big wave to all the 2ww grads who pop in from time to time.

DG x

Evening ladies

First off, I'm sorry to have been invisible at such a stressful time for so many of our lovely ttc-ers (I lurked a little via blackberry, but not long enough to post). Secondly, Bucky I was laughing when I read your post about bleedin - I remember using it in the 80s and feeling so cool And, while I like Mr Needles, it's definitely not in that way . Let us know if you get any symptoms xx

PnM Sorry your period arrived but I'm glad you're not leaving us. I totally understand the conflicting emotions though. The support I've found on here has made the last few months of ttc so much more bearable, as I sought it out at a low point. But I also sometimes wonder if obsessing helps...so hard to know, but the main thing is we're here whenever you need us

ScaryHairy I've also had wonky temps this month, with FF only giving me my ov date about 5 days post ov. I'm not going to link to my chart though, as they're that up and down that it's kind of embarassing . All I can blame it on is a series of comedy late nights and some "moderate" (or, um, maybe more than "moderate"! ) drinking in Ireland. I think holidays definitely have an impact. Glad you had a good time though, hope you're still enjoying that post-holiday glow! And those sound like definite symptoms to me - it's exciting! I really hope your DD is onto something [fingers crossed emoticon]

Ei any news? Did your period show up? I hope not, as you deserve a sticky bean before your appointment. And I think you're starting your new job around now? If so, hope it goes well xx

GG dear lord at your hours! I hope you got over it OK. Is your DH still away? My DH is away this week, so I get lots of time to watch the Olympics, which I love!

MOB big hello to you on holidays - hope you're enjoying yourself and that the non-ttc isn't too hard xx

DigitalGirl hope the needling helps - not long now until Digibean arrives. Wow!!

And hello to all the other graduates Mibbes hatty MTW it's great when you pop in.

Not much to report here. 6 dpo and no symtoms whatsoever. I've decided to not obsess about symptoms (like my sore boobs, which I get every month without fail and no more shall they fool me, oh no, I'm wide to the sore boob mark now...). Had an utterly stupendous time at my sister's wedding. Bucky Cork (especially Mahon Point ) sends a big hug of loveliness to you and your DP! It misses you both xx. There were about a gazillion kids around too, which was actually great. Good to be reminded why we're putting ourselves through this ttc lark

Anyway, with my DH away, I'm off to watch the lovely Kevin McCloud who's got some programme on right now. I heart Kevin McCloud (and my DH knows it!)

Love to you all
Caitni xx

hello loely ladies

sorry for the radio silence. Yes, I have been away again . I can hear ei saying "what, you've been away AGAIN, GG?!" . I'm currently logged on to my sister's laptop, so I'll be deleting the browsing history before I leave here! Don't want old eagle eyes seeing I have been on mumsnet! Sis is a doctor, so have been slyly reading the British Medical Journals i found in a cupboard for anything on TTC. There was a really positive study on the effcts of acupuncture on IVF/ICSI success rates, so despite bleedin' (literally? had to use *Bucky's word) AF arriving on Friday (which it will, I just know it) I am hopefuly the sessions with Mr Needles are doing somehting positive and won't be in vain.

picknmix - I'm so glad you are back on here and staying with us. I think we are a little band of long-termers and we know and understand each other on the WIMBEWAIF thread . Wow at your marathon game of tennis. I can't think of a better way to thrash out any frustrations.

digital!!! OMG I can believe it - you are at 34 weks. I am so, so happy for you and I bet you do still look goreous, whatever you are saying. about feeling like an elephant and LOL at kung fu digibean! How are you feeling about the birth? A good friend of mine had SPD and it sounded horrific so hope you are not in to much pain and the doctors/midwife is being sympathetic. Poor you. You have to keep popping back and telling us how you are. We need you, mibbes 07MTW and the other graduates to
remind us that we will be there one day!

caitni - your Cork jaunt sounds brilliant!

MOB - are you on holiday at the moment. Big ave and (((((higs))))) to you.

scary - awww, bless your DD. Out of the mouths of babes and all that. Maybe a prophecy. I wondered what the heat lamp was for - I thought it was something to do with blood flow to the womb, but I really liked the warmth on my tummy .

I think I may have to join you in the stakes, picknmix. I am feeling really washed out and low at the moment. Sh*tty stressful hours at work have left me shattered, the usual TTC rollercoaster means I'm living on my nerves and AF is due on Friday, the stress of facing ICSI is really getting to me, DH is away again and, finally, I...erm...wrote off DH's car on Saturday .

He went absolutely mental at me . I am fine, just gave myself a fright, but the car was a mess. I went into the back of a coach full of footbal fans when my foot slipped off the acelerator on the motorway. I had a wet foot after climbing into car during a rain storm and there was a puddle of water on the rubber mat in the footwell . Being exhausted and emotionally drained probably didn't help either! I am usually so upbeat - a glass half full person - but I think the shock has kicked off something in me. DH's lack of sympathy hasn't helped either and then I found out he had only insured the car for third party fire and theft, so no insurance payout. DH also wants me to pay for a replacement car and lectured me instead of providing any support . Bleedin' men!!! (thanks for bringing that word back into my vocabulary bucky )

Anyway, sorry for the me, me, me post. I'll try and check in on you all later and say hello again. I am off the see a comedy gig tonight, so hopefully that will put a smile on my face

Hi everyone

Welcome back Caitni - glad the wedding was good and I hope coming back to work is not too depressing. And everyone hearts Kevin. He is surely the nicest man on TV, no?

GG I am at your DH having a go at you for crashing his car. He should just be glad that you are ok. And why the heck did he only insure the car for 3rd party etc? Accidents happen, which is precisely why he should have got proper insurance - it is not like you guys are unemployed and can't afford it. I am actually a bit with him on your behalf. It is only a bleeding (thanks bucky) car and if it mattered to him that much he should have sprung for the extra £300 or whatever and got full insurance. Anyway, crashing a car is a crappy experience, so (((higs))) to you. I'm not surprised you're feeling low.

Nice to "see" you again DG. I'm glad everything is going well with the bean. Let me know what you think about the Whittington needle guy. A friend of mine had acupuncture there and did not rate it but it is a very personal thing I think. If you don't like it I think there is also someone at the Active Birth Centre who might be able to help.

I have got my hospital appointment tomorrow and am expecting to be laughed out of the building by the consultant who would no doubt prefers to deal with people with real problems, but we'll see how it goes.

See you all later.