The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

[Bucky2008]

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

Morning ladies

Ei I'm so glad that your laptop's back up and running, we'd been missing you, though I was also giggling at the post! That would have been some swearing rant

MrsH so sorry to hear about your deepset worries about scarring from your CS...I'm not going to say anything like "don't be silly, you'll be fine" as I'm the queen of the dark side when it comes to that (when not worrying about scarring from my emergency appendectomy from my burst appendix as a child, I'm convincing myself that I have premature ovarian failure - see earlier post ). But what I will say is that I'm glad you'll be able to air these worries at the clinic to people who won't just understand but will also have lots of experience in investigating and overcoming fertility issues. I'm hoping they confirm that your remaining tube is healthy and that you get that BFP soon

MOB yay for your "textbook" ovaries!! There'll be gold stars all round in a few days . I'm delighted to hear that the scan went well, and hope that tomorrow's scan is equally good and that it's full steam ahead for collection on Friday. I'm coming over quite emotional thinking about this day next week, when (fingers crossed) your embryo transfer will have taken place. Have you talked to your DH about being at the transfer? He probably thought that the egg collection is the biggie - men can pick up the wrong end of the stick about these things - and while of course you want him there for that (and he has to be anyway on account of his vital contribution ), you also want him to be at your side for the transfer. I'm with Ei on this one, I'll be looking forward to the name change to MadOldPregnantBird

Bucky hope you're doing well lady. I saw that Lottie over on the temping thread is in Norway at the moment and it sounds like the whole experience at Scanhealth is excellent.

JudithGin honestly my dear, you better get your well-travelled self back on here soon and say hello to us all or we'll be having a whip around to get you home internet . Seriously though, hope that work isn't too stressful for you at the moment and that you're taking care of yourself. I'm looking forward to your own ICSI experiences. As you can see, MOB is blazing a very good trail

Big hello to RFN2 Mibbes JB 07MTW and everyone else.

So I'm much calmer about my crazy short cycles, though I'm glad I'd already booked in to see my GP when my period arrived two days early . It appears that my local fertility clinic doesn't do a plain old FSH test, just the fancier sounding ovarian reserve screen for £320 (they're checking AMH and estradiol levels as well I think). And I decided I didn't want to wait another month anyway, so I actually did this fertell test this morning, since it's CD 3. And got a completely normal result, so I guess I have to just accept that short cycles aren't a sign of some sort of fertility apolcalypse . Meanwhile, roll on seeing the doctor and also roll on the bd-ing for this coming month!

Hello ladies

MOB how are the little eggs coming along? Eggcellent, I hope. I have more of those and will be revealing them over the coming weeks. I do hope you are not feeling to uncomfortable. Two more days to go until they collect the eggs, yes?

Ei I hope you're well and continuing to resist the urge to wallop pregnant people. Have you had any more psychic predictions lately? I have a good feeling about you this time, let's hope it comes true.

Caitni please stop fretting about fertility apocalypse. You will be a mummy, I am sure of it.

Mahoosive higs to Picknmix, JG, RFN2, Bucky. Hello to our lovely pregnant ladies. Shreksmissus do you pop in ever?

No news from the Happy household. I am still quite low and seem to be unable to think of much else other than ectopics, fertility treatments etc etc. It's not the healthiest way to live and so I am hoping that the appointment on Friday can help me formulate a sensible way forward so I can let go a little of what has happened over the past 7 months. I'm sick of it, and exhausted, and I need a break (moan moan).

Hope you are all well. BBL.
XX

Morning ladies

Sorry i haven't been around for a couple of days - being off for half term with the DC's is far more time consuming and exhausting than being at work! (Nice though)

EI how is the laptop I think you and Caitni must be aliens secretly infiltrating earth via mumsnet!!

MrsH Looking forward to more of your egg jokes I'm not surprised that you are feeling low, and taken up with thoughts of fertility ATM. I really hope the appt tomorrow will make you feel a bit better about things, and that they offer you some options. Tell them absolutely everything, and how you are feeling emotionally - they won't laugh (and if they do - Caitni & me are going round there to sort them out)

Caitni Likewise - i hope that the appt with the GP helps to set your mind at rest. Hopefully s/he will run some basic tests to ensure the fertility apocalypse is not imminent (and if s/he doesn't i will beat them up as well )I'm sure that the home test you did is a good indication everthing is fine, though.

I am reaching crunch time now! The scan yesterday was fine - about 9 or so decent follicles, so we are all set for egg collection tomorrow. I had to have one final jab last night, to trigger ovulation in 36hrs, which was fun, as it involved mixing powders and solvents, before injecting. I'm not particularly looking forward to collection - and the pain that potentially follows, but at the same time it's exciting (eggciting?! Sorry MrsH - stole one from you )The worst bit is, i can't wear any make-up, deodorant, or anything So not only will i feel awful, i will look awful and smell awful as well DH has taken Monday off as well - so he will be there at transfer.

JG I hope you are lurking somewhere out there. The whole process really has been fine so far, so if you are reading this i hope it reassures you for when it is your turn shortly.

Yes it is eggciting. Those follicles certainly sound eggcellent and 9 is great! I've read that collection is not that painful - people feel a bit bloated or sore afterwards but not too bad, and that the GA is so light you don't feel rotten like you do after a "proper" GA. Was the trigger jab nasty? I have heard that that one can hurt. I'd be frightened to inject something I had mixed in case I got it wrong. I couldn't even mix my DD's formula when she was small - I had to buy cartons!

Am especially amused by the thought of MOB and Caitni: fertility enforcers punishing giggling doctors everywhere! There's a comic strip in there somewhere...

Morning ladies

MOB so glad to hear that scan went OK and you've had your trigger injection. Expecting an eggstravaganza on collection tomorrow . Hope it's not too painful. And that plenty of them are fertilised and grow. I'm sending you and your DH lots of positive vibes at this eggsciting time for you both . It's interesting about the ban on toiletries & cosmetics, as that's something that Marilyn Glenville talks about - how certain fertility experts insist on their lab staff wearing no perfume/moisturiser/deodorant in the lab because of the increased risk of defective embryos. I've tried half-heartedly cutting back myself, as she recommends, but tis hard! Am glad to hear that your clinic recommends it though, as it means the standards there are nice and high!

MrsH sorry to hear you're feeling down, though I was laughing at the idea of me and MOB as fertility enforcers - we could have little capes and boots, fertility heroines are go! I'm hoping that the clinic tomorrow helps you with finding ways to move on from your horrible past year and achieve a healthy pregnancy. Sending big to you.

And waves to everyone else RFN2 Ei PnM Bucky GG JB Mibbes

MOB if you think you'll be smelly tomorrow, just wait until you catch a whiff of the medical staff! No deoderant and schlepping sleepy women about - they're bound to be eggstraordinarily stinky.

Am loving the "egg" words keep it up, girls, i shall need livening up when i log on tomorrow after we get back! I shall let you know how stinky the staff are - they'll be the eggsperts, i eggspect (oh, i'm good...)
mrsH The trigger jab was fine, they warned me it might be painful, but it went in ok. I'm REALLY tired this afternoon - have slobbed in front of the tv with the fire on. Lovely!

Will try and log on briefly tomorrow and let you know how it all goes. Wish i could have you all there with me - this thread is such a great support.

P.S If i'm going to be a fertility inforcer, i want some kind of light saber type thing

Forgot to say - MrsH, despite me probably being in a drug induced haze most of tomorrow, i WILL be thinking of you and your appt. Hope it goes well. X

Thanks MOB. Just think; this time tomorrow your 9 grade A eggs will be happily pairing up with your DH's swimmers in a petri dish.

How eggstremely fabulous.

Am sure light sabres can be arranged.

Hi all,

Apologies for lack of posts.

Very sad time in the PnM household, my friends mum passed away last night. She'd been in a hospice for about a month with advanced cancer. She was only in her fifties.

Have also been a bad sister and neglected to call mine back to find out how the second test went. Just can't find the courage to. Am feeling awful but have no strength left for her as well at the moment.

Just wanted to pop on and wish Mob the best of luck tomorrow, I'll be egging you on from the cyber sidelines tomorrow.

Will also be thinking of you MrsH tomorrow. I hope you come away feeling encouraged by your consultant.

Hope you're ok as well Caitni - spent a lovely day in Brighton on Tues with 2 very dear friends who I haven't seen for months, was just what I needed. Had a cookie from Ben's Cookies, a bagel from the Bagel Man and then pigged out in Nandos! All day eating, was just too good! I've tried to cut down on all the lotions and potions I use - tend to stick to natural options where possible. Sadly can't give up my Eternity perfume habit though!

Hi to everyone else not mentioned

Will be back soon xx

I'm sorry you're having a hard time PnM. I think it is fair enough not to call your sister - I wouldn't have the strength either. It's her problem and nothing to do with what is going on in your life. You take care of yourself. The day out sounds lovely...

Eggstra luck for you tomorrow, MOB.

PnM so sorry to hear about your friend's mother - so sad. And don't feel bad about your sister, you've a lot on your plate at the moment...though glad to hear of the lovely day out in brighton! And I'm the same with the perfume but in my case it's my clinique happy habit...

MrsH hope your app goes well - I'll be thinking of you so do let us know how you get on. Now that there's talk of light sabres I'm even more into this fertility enforcer business

MOB sending eggstraordinarily good vibes to you and your eggs , I'm thinking of it not so much as an egg collection as an egg eggstraction...I'm eggsplicitly telling you that I'm hoping you have an eggsceedingly good day tomorrow (and that just about eggshausts my supply of egg words for the evening!!). Do log on if you have the chance as we'll be waiting to hear how it goes. I'm so very happy and eggscited for you and your DH. Tomorrow is such a special day for you both. I'm glad you're balmed out in front of the fire/telly relaxing tonight xxx

Not much going on with me - day five and so this month's bd-ing bonanza commences tonight. Anyway, best head off as it's my turn to make dinner for my DH (who actually helped me with some of those egg words and also sends good vibes to MOB for tomorrow!)

MOB I hope that the egg collection went eggceedingly well and that you are feeling ok (and not like you have been kicked in the tum by a donkey).

The specialist was ok. DH has super swimmers (pah!). The doctor agrees that damage may have been caused by my c section and he says that this is pretty common (there's an argument in favour of natural birth). I am going to go for an HSG next cycle and then, depending on the outcome of that we will do Clomid by itself or Clomid and IUI or IVF. He thinks we should be good candidates for any of the above and so we should speed up the process of getting me pregnant. I think he was quite pleased to get such a straightforward case!

Hi to everyone. Happy Friday!

Hi MrsH I'm so glad that the app went well! And glad to hear of your DH's super swimmers. It sounds like things are going to start moving forward properly for you now. I would really like an HSG - my sister-in-law wasn't pregnant after nearly 2 years of ttc (though one year of that was not not ttc iykwim), she had an HSG that showed no obvious scarring and conceived that month (she's now pregnant with number two after an emergency c section). I know that's only anecdotal but it gives me hope. Apparently the damage can be very slight, so fluid moving through them can be enough to flush/smooth things out. What's the Clomid for if you don't mind me asking?

MOB hope things went eggscellently for you and your DH, and I also hope you're not feeling too sore. Thinking of you and looking forward to hearing how many of those textbook eggs have been fertilised

big hello to everyone else - hope everyone's ok (PnM hope you're doing OK sweetie). Am quite nervous about seeing the GP tomorrow - I've never seen her before, since we only registered since moving to brighton, and am worried about revealing myself as an utter ttc loony . But I'd just really like the ball to start rolling towards finding what's holding things up

Caitni the clomid is to make sure I ovulate on the left hand ovary. At the moment I probably only produce one follicle and sometimes (like last month) it will be on my tubeless side. The idea is that the clomid stimulates the ovaries to make 2 or 3 follicles, at least one of which should be on the side with the tube and so improves my odds. It's only worth doing if the left hand tube is ok though.

The more I think about it, though, the less sense the IUI makes. Since my DH's swimmers are apparently perfectly good at reaching my eggs I suspect that clomid and trying the natural route might be just as good (and cheaper!!). I will have to speak to the Dr about this when I am next there after my HSG.

I think it's great you're seeing the GP tomorrow. I know it's hard when you have to say those words the first time, but you should feel lots better afterwards. If you don't get any joy I do recommend going direct to a fertility specialist. It's nice to have someone who knows what they are talking about reassure you that time is on your side after all!

That makes such sense about the clomid! And I'd tend to agree with you re the IUI - the success rates just aren't high enough for me to think it's really better than just trying naturally with the clomid. Thanks for the kind words re the GP

Afternoon ladies

We're back! We got 13 eggs, which i'm really pleased about - obviously some more follicles had matured since wednesday. Whole thing wasn't bad at all. I asked for minimal sedation, and there was only a little pain, except at the end, when he was doing my right ovary, as that was hidden behind some bowel so he really had to dig around. It was all over really quickly though, and i had a cup of tea and a biscuit and left. DH was really anxious beforehand, not knowing what to expect, and it made me laugh when the consultant walked into the room, shook his hand and wished him luck!!! The ICSI will have taken place by now, so we're just praying for some of the eggs to fertilize. They will phone tomorrow and let us know.

I am now off to a party! it's a surprise party for my sister in law, so i'm just going to dose myself up with paracetemal and go for a couple of hours.

MrsH I'm so pleased that it sounds like the appt went well, and that they are offering you options to speed things up. Clomid sounds like a very good idea, and should offer you optimal chances of success.

PnM So sorry to hear about your friend's mum, what a horrible time for you all.

I'll be back tomorrow and "chat" properly, just wanted to let my lovely ttc friends know what happened!

Sorry Caitni - good luck tomorrow with the gp. You are NOT a ttc loony - if they say you are i will go down with my light sabre!!

Just a quick message to say hurray! to you MOB - 13 eggs is a great haul! You must be v happy with that. I hope that as many as possible fertilise - fingers crossed for good news tomorrow xx

and woo hoo happy halloween to all the rest of you!

Yay! 13 eggs is eggstra fantastic MOB!
Can't wait to hear how many fertilise. Just think, right now they are probably dividing into more cells already...

hi ladies happy halloween
just a quickie to say YAAAAAYYY!!!! to mob and her bakers dozen im so excited for you have they said what they will be doing with the spare embryos once you have the transfer on monday?? will they be frozen for future babies?? you might end up with a massive brood!!im so eggcited for you and your DH

mrshappy im so glad your appointment went well and you are going to have the HSG soon and get cracking on the clomid

caitni good luck with the gp tomorrow it will be fine and im sure you will get the answers you are looking for

PnM so sorry to hear about your friends mum also dont worry about your sister im sure if she needed you she would call!! take care of yourself

well nowt happeneing here and i barely even know what cd im on so we are just bding when we can
my friend asked me how ttc was going the other day as she knows about my troubles and when i said another cycle bites the dust she decided then would be the best time to say she has found out she is preg by accident with her 3rd baby by different dads!! she just kept going on about how it was meant to be and how they had only had sex twice that month at the possibly right time and dont worry it will happen for me etc etc!! i felt like she had punched me and was insulting me at the same time!! bloddy bitch!!
f*&% her!!

anyway rant over sorry
hello to everyone else
xx ei xx

Morning everyone!

Great news here - out of our 13 eggs, 10 have fertilized, and looking good this morning. They generally estimate that 60 - 70% of eggs will fertilize, so we have exceeded (sorry, eggsceeded ) that, which is fantastic. The embryologist offered us options for freezing, as apparently today is the best day to freeze. We went with freezing 3, as hopefully out of the 7 left we will get 2 good ones for implantation Monday. We just felt that we wanted some frozen, so that if this cycle fails, we can look at a frozen embryo transfer, which is a lot less invasive (and much less costly). We were really worried about the eggs fertilizing, as our eggs and sperm have never met before (as far as we are aware) so we are so relieved this morning.

EI am so at your friend! How insensitive. She could have picked her moment to tell you a bit better. Come here and rant as much as you like.

Caitni Thinking of you at your appt today.

MrsH How are you feeling today, now you have had time to reflect on all the info yesterday?

Big hello to everyone else - hope you are all having lovely weekends.

Wow MOB that is great news about the number fertilised & frozen! Looks like you needn't have worried about your eggs and his sperm hitting it off . It must be a relief to have some frozen for any future cycles (is there a chance that more can be frozen on Monday?). I hope the unfrozen ones are developing nicely so that there's two beauties for Monday xx

Ei god, how horrible of your friend to deliver her news in such a patronising way . I'd be furious if I was you - f@*k her is right! But I'm glad to hear you don't really know what day you're on, as the relaxed approach is not only good for your sanity but has a v good chance of working! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you anyway

Hi to MrsH PnM and every one else.

The GP this morning was fine - he's lovely! I for some reason was expecting a woman (have no idea why, as I've never had a female GP in my life!). The plan is for my DH to have a SA first, before starting the blood tests & HSG for me. So we've got the little plastic cup and my DH is going to book in on Monday (we've already picked a day well after my fertile time this month, to fit in the abstaining beforehand - we live in hope ). I feel very happy to have the ball rolling, and also happy that the GP was so very nice and reassuring (and I certainly didn't feel like a ttc loony ).

Anyway, gotta run as off to a friend's house for dinner in deepest north london with my three best female friends. And it's lashing rain and I totally don't feel like going. I'm so lazy!!

Hope everyone has a great weekend
xz

Just wanted to say hurrah for the eggs, MOB. Do the embryologists update you every day? It's just brilliant that so many have fertilised. Eggstremely good!

Have a good night out Caitni. Enjoy if while you can, there'll be no more of that once the smalls arrive... Glad the GP went ok. My DH has been complaining bitterly about the small size of the sample pots (another reason to avoid IUI if I can!!)

Ei I agree. F$%^%&$ that insensitive cow. . I hope you're feeling a bit better today (((higs)))

I'm feeling a bit flat today. I am pleased to get things moving but am sad that the c-section looks like the culprit for things that have gone wrong since. I was quite horrified at having ended up with a section and this is making me feel a bit crap really. But as someone said to me at the time when I was worried about future fertility "you have to have one baby to get to two, three or four" so hopefully if I take things one sprog at a time I will get there one day! I am also impatient to get going. The HSG won't be until the end of the month, so I suppose I might get the clomid by Xmas, but I just want to get moving now...

MOB YAY for your 10 fertilised eggs!! im so happy for you it is unreal!! i feel like crying for you i am so happy
(i am hoping it is getting to my 'time' for this cycle and that will explain the hormonal crying...)
caitni glad your appointment went well
mrshappy it is understandable that you feel odd about things but as you said to me a few weeks back now you know what may be the problem there might now be something they can do to help! you will be up the duff in no time with clomid the wonder drug
hi to everyone else
xx ei xx