The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

[Bucky2008]

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

Hi all x
Mrshappy Glad your scabs are healing and that you are feeling ok about af

caitni got my fingers crossed for you this month, it all sounds very promising for you

PnM If I was having all those symptoms I would be reaching for the hpt by now!

Hello to everyone else including Ei ,MOB and all the preganat ladies x

Well its cd25 and no symptoms to report as such. I had a headache last night and have felt a little nauseous(sp?) today but that may be the fairy cakes I scoffed that I helped DS make and decorate lol

I seem to have alot of CM at the moment (sorry TMI) but I am not sure if I am just more aware of it this month.

I certainly dont feel PG like I did last week so guess I was kidding myself

Why is it you spend all your life trying not to get pg and then when you want to, you realise that it isnt as simple as they tell you in sex ed!!

Evening all,

Have some good news - had a call from the hospital today to offer me an appt at the fertility clinic on 13th November! Amazing - thought we'd be waiting months so 3 weeks is pretty good. Found this info about the clinic which gives a pretty good guide of what we have to expect. Plus the fertility nurse is the lady who dealt with me when I had my mc and she was brilliant so fingers crossed she still works there!

MrsH hope you had a lovely day with dd . When you write down exactly what your body has been through in recent months its actually amazing your cycles aren't more messed up. This is a good time to get your cycle back to 'normal', enjoy you dd and seek information from informed professionals who wont laugh at you because what you are doing is actually probably far more responsible and logical than burying your head in the sand and thinking 'what will be will be'.

And BREATHE PnM!!! Stream of conscience, apologies!

Its still not over for you yet RFN2 and yes, I totally agree, tis amazing the number of times I panicked that I hadn't taken my pill at exactly the right time and made sure other protection was sought 'just in case' when in reality the chances of conceiving were so blinking slim!!! Hope the fairy cakes were tasty!

Yay for the continuing high temps Caitni - good plan re the weekend although do you really think it will stop you obsessing ?!

FAB news about your DH's job Ei, really really pleased for you. Admire your chilled out resolve, sounds like its def the best way forward for you

How was the injection tonight MOB? Am willing those eggs on their journey!! Meant to say last night - I start my new job on 1st Jan so am hoping the theory goes 'New Year, New Job, New Baby' or something along those lines

Think I am back to CD1 tomorrow, had spotting this evening which has been the pattern the last couple of cycles. Bout time too - CD44 today and just want to get on with the next cycle. Thanks for the cautious thoughts of good luck - hopefully I can save it up for next month?!

Morning ladies

EI So pleased to hear your DH has a new job already You both must be so relieved. Here's to a lovely fun filled cycle for you

caitni Am very impressed that you have got all those FF points! Must be a good sign, surely? (I never even got one, so i didn't even know they "scored" your chart!!) I shall have a peep at your chart later. Bet you are itching to test ( I would be) going away tomorrow night sounds like a good plan.

MrsH Sounds like you had a lovely day yesterday if exhausting!! Like PnM i hadn't quite realised that it has been one mucked up cycle after another for you - when you outline it like you did i am rather relieved that you didn't get pg this cycle. Your body (and your mind) probably need a couple of "normal" cycles at least just to have a bit of a breather. Please don't think the clinic will laugh at you, or not take you seriously. You have been through such a lot lately, and you are being so sensible in exploring all your options for possible assisted conception etc. If anyone laughs at you I will go and beat them up personally. You need looking after and i'm sure they will.

RFN What you say is so, so true! We spend so much of our lives as women actively avoiding pregnancy - then when we want it it seems so unattainable. I am still hopeful for you this cycle though!

PnM Wow 13th nov!! That's such great news. I'm so excited for you. I had a quick scan of the clinic details - you must tell your DH to get his speedos at the ready - apparently he may have to get in the pool and do a "swim up" test (That's obviously where we've been going wrong - my DH isn't a great swimmer - i should have sent him for swimming lessons, a lot cheaper than IVF ) Sorry - i'm in a silly mood today! I'm liking the idea of the "new year, new job, new baby" thing for you!!

Hope everyone else is ok - including our pregnant ladies, and of course MTW & little Freya. Do you think we should all club together and buy JG some broadband at home It's not the same without her

I now have just over 2 weeks off work, partly because next week is half term for DS & DD, but also so i can concerntrate on the treatment, and not have to worry about work. Injections still going ok. I am only getting the odd twinge, and nothing else really, so i am a bit worried that the drugs aren't working! I can't wait until the scan on monday, when hopefully i can see the follicles growing.

Have a good day everyone.

Morning all,

MrsH sounds like you had a great day with your DD yesterday - bet you're knackered though as the packed social lives of my nieces never cease to amaze me, I get tired just thinking about all the playdates/ballet/swimming/parks/nursery they do. I hadn't realised this was your first normal period since May. I think your body (and mind) will really benefit from a couple of months of normal cycles, especially as the clinic will be able to do any necessary tests at the same time. And I'll be right with MOB if anyone dares to laugh at our MrsH [scary caitni emoticon]

MOB I'm so glad to hear that you've got a couple of weeks off work, I've heard that's the best thing to do for the week of egg collection/embryo transfer (I learn so much lurking on the assisted conception thread ). Try not to worry too much about the eggies, I bet you'll get some great looking follicles on Monday. And have a great weekend - bet your DD and DS are delighted to be going on half term!

RFN2 I get a lot of CM between ov and AF too. I've heard that it can be a sign of the mucous plug forming though, so fingers crossed that's what it is for you . And I totally agree about how hard ttc seems after sex ed, where I honestly thought I'd get pregnant in a blink of an eye if I missed a pill/condom split or whatever!

PnM sorry to hear that AF's on its way lady but am so glad that your app is on the 13 Nov! That's so close - it's fantastic . Those guidelines are really interesting, so thanks for linking. I bet you do get your BFP soon - according to my official theory of pregnativity (appointment at clinic + new job) x sod's law = pregnancy

So my temp was a bit lower today, and I'm now convinced I'm not pregnant. I know it's not over til AF shows, but my temps are doing what they do every month (I had a good overlay of my older charts on FF to check and it's rather uncanny to see how my temp this morning matches previous 9 dpo temps). The early pregnancy signs indicator (the points thing I mentioned) is a whizzy new feature for the paying subscribers. It's based on a statistical analysis of pregnancy charts, matching your temps and other signs you input to see how likely it is to result in a pregnancy. I'm begining to think it's the devil's own work, as I've been playing around with it (eg add spotting to today and it drops down to 29 points) and think it's been sent to try me! Am glad it's nearly the weekend, as will know by Monday/Tuesday regardless. I've decided to go with the convincing myself I'm not pregnant to avoid getting all excited only to have hopes dashed (again!).

Just a quickie because I am still on child duty but I wanted to say "yay" for Picknmix's referral. Such great news that it has happened so quickly. Just think; a year from now we'll all be babied up!

And loving the law of pregnativity, Caitni.

Back later

Hi all x

Well I have just been updating my ff data and it has scored me 54pts on the early pregnancy indicator thingy which is annoying because it has made me hope!

I know that I am not pg, I can tell so I wish it wasnt giving me false hope!! I know full well that af is going to arrive in a couple of days and that I will feel bad again!!

I really want to be pg by xmas but I have a feeling that it isnt going to happen (not sure why just dont feel hopeful)

I think the fact that my halfbrother and his partnerhave just had a baby and that one of my friends is due in 2 weeks is making it seem worse aswell.

Sorry for self indulgent moan

RFN2 don't feel bad for moaning - sometimes it's the only sane response! It's especially hard when it seems like there are babies & pregnant friends/women everywhere, as it's totally normal to feel - big to you. But 54 pts is great! But I totally understand how terrible it is too IYKWIM (I've got 50 pts now and it's thrilling/evil at the same time). Still though, am going to be keeping my fingers crossed that you are in fact pregnant! Can you post your chart so we can have a look? Sounds like we're nearly cycle buddies and I'd love to see another chart (not that I've been endlessly overlaying my chart on FF or anything ). You set it up the Sharing tab in the left hand menu - select home page set up and, once you've selected the relevant info, it gives you a web address to your chart that you can link to.

to MrsH hope you're having fun times with your DD! Must make a nice change from the office

Here's a question: what sort of person's response to a good and kind friend telling her that she (the friend) is pregnant is to start crying.

It's a person like me, apparently.[shame emoticon]

It seems terribly unfair - my friend has a child who is much younger than mine. I am honestly really pleased with her but I couldn't hold back the tears. I may well be the biggest bitch alive.

My daughter is now completely confused about why mummy, who has been really happy for two whole days, is hiding in the kitchen crying.

Somebody please slap me.

You don't need a slap, you get a big instead. It's possible to be happy for your friend but also for yourself and what might have been this year instead of what was.

Caitni loving the theory of pregnativity I think you should write a book!

RFN2 The fact that you have some FF points sound a good sign - hope it is not false hope that it is giving you. Never apologise for moaning - we all need to sometimes.

MrsH Caitni is absolutely right - you definitely need a hug and not a slap. I wish i could magic myself to your side right now and give you a big hug. I would have done exactly the same as you in that situation, and cried as well.

We're going away for the weekend, so i won't be around till Sunday night. I'm feeling a bit tired and sore this evening, but hoping that the scan on Monday will show that the drugs are working - then all the pain will be worthwhile! Have a good weekend everyone. XX

Awwwww MrsH no slap needed just more I'm sure if your friend really is a good and kind friend she will totally understand your tears and you are very much allowed to feel that way, you have been through so much this year

If it makes you feel any better I went completely the opposite and fell about laughing hysterically this evening because my sister told me (over the phone) that she did a hpt and she 'thinks' its positive. She is still living at home with my mum, she has just got engaged but not due to marry until 2010. She is in no way wanting a baby at the moment. I ended up telling her how ironic the situation was and maybe she could have the baby and then I would bring it up.

It really was a laugh or cry situation and luckily I had just taste tested some vodka jellies I've made for a party tomorrow night (I am tee-total so just have to sniff alcohol for an affect!) so the laughing option came first.

It has been a ridiculous day all round actually - am definitely CD1, have cramps from hell and went for a bit of retail therapy this afternoon. Sadly managed to [literally] bump into an ex who was looking annoying gorgeous whilst I look like a haggard old housewife (I had the requisite period related spots, slightly greasy hair and a very bloated belly so was wearing 'comfy' jeans)...

Bring on tomorrow 'cos today has been shite!

oops I killed the thread with my self obsessed rant

Hope everyones ok and has had a lovely weekend?

Hope you're feeling a bit brighter MrsH?

X

Hi, no you haven't killed the thread PnM. I've just been laying low and waiting to feel less bruised. I just have to remember that what happens to other people is just not relevant to my situation. Holding onto that at least lets me get on with my life, but there are times (like Friday night when I realised that her baby must be due when mine should have been) when I forget to be rational and fall to bits instead.

How is your sister? Has her HPT become less confusing? If it was my sister I would tell her to give me the baby too. In fact, I did offer mine the chance to be my surrogate a month or so back but she didn't seem too keen for some reason!

Did your period turn up? Is your GP going to do blood tests at the beginning of your cycle to check for PCOS? I can't help feeling that this is the start of things coming right for you. I do hope so.

How are those eggs coming MOB? Presumably you have no more than a week of soreness to go before the eggs are collected? I find it all completely fascinating. Really amazing.

Caitni and RFN2 have you got any more points today? I think I may have to become a paying subscriber of FF now I have heard about all the fab things it does.(And I am hoping that under the law of pregnativity (financial outlay / abandoning all hope) x a bit too much alcohol at the conference I am going to = TWINS )
Come one, let's see your chart too RFN2.

I am at about CD4 or so and so not going to be on the wait for a bit. But we have the clinic on Friday (arggghghghg) which I hope will be ok.

Caitni becase I am nosy I just looked up your chart again and see that your period arrived. I hope you're ok. Your cycles are so short you'll probably ovulate around the same time as me so well be 2WW buddies.

PnM sorry the witch got you

Mrshappy Im sure the clinic will be fine and hope that the law of pregnativity works for you

MOB How are the injections going? fingers crossed you have plenty of eggs to give you that all important BFP

Caitni How are you doing?

Well its cd28 for me and as of yet af hasnt appeared but I am sure she will! I am expecting her to be a bit late as I think my cycles are still evening out at the moment,FF has put me up to 58pts but I am not hopeful because I took a test and got BFN this morning.
When I was pg with DS I didnt realise till I was 2 days late so maybe I am still in with a chance but in all honesty I think I am out for the month but will be trying sperm meets egg next month.

I dont temp so my chart is just based on CM,CP and symptoms I am happy to put it up if someone tells me how I am a bit of a technophobe im afraid!!

Oh MrsH your application of the law of pregnativity had me giggling (to the amazement of DH - today's been a bleak day chez caitni ). Would love you to have twins!

I am indeed on CD 1, and scarily my cycle was 21 days. Which is two days shorter than my usual (already freakishly short) 23 day cycles. I tweaked my chart yet again to give myself the original FF ov day of CD 10, as couldn't cope with crazy short cycle and luteal phase of 10 days (borderline luteal phase defect ). Even that tweaking gives me a of only 11 days (usually 12). So I'm now completely freaked out as 21 day cycles are right at the end of what's considered "normal" (by the power of google I have diagnosed myself with raised FSH/diminished ovarian reserve...possibly even premature ovarian failure...know I shouldn't google but of course I do...and also know there's nothing I can do but wait til next Sat and see the GP and try and get a referral to a gynae asap...am wanting this week to fly by). I was so upset that I ended sobbing in the carpark of tesco's. Tragic! Tis not the first time I've wondered whether I've raised FSH - I bought these back in July and tested negative for raised FSH. Just did another one and still negative. But roll on Saturday when I can see the doc.

Told DH I can't help thinking the darkest thoughts (on warped logic that if they come through I'll be more "prepared") but he's been lovely, reassuring me that he loves me, not my ability to have babies, then made me my favourite shepherd's pie (with sweet potato and pumpkin topping instead of plain old spuds). Am sure things will seem much better in the morning.l

Enough of the me me me-ness though.

PnM oh to you lady. I fear/dread my sisters telling me they're pregnant (they already have 3 kids between them), but if either was in your sister's situation
(ie not in the planned pregnancy/ttc zone) I'd be totally annoyed at the universe for being so evil. Though glad that there were vodka jellies on hand. And hope the party went absolutely spiffingly. And I bet that ex-boyfriend thought "damn it, ms PnM is looking even finer than I remember...I'm so jealous of Mr PnM...how did he get such a fox?". xxx

MrsH Hope you've been having a good weekend. I had to have an emergency whispa today, and can confirm that they're not just good for hangovers but good for the arrival of AF as well . Glad that we'll be tww buddies, as it honestly makes this awful day seem a bit brighter . And I'd recommend the paying FF, as I'm not sure how much it cost but it seemed v cheap (less than a session of acupuncture I think?). Though in fairness I'm not really sure what the differences are to the free model...

RFN2 I am so hoping to have some good news from you! I've got my fingers firmly crossed that those points keep on rising and you get a lovely BFP xxx

MOB hope you had a lovely weekend away! And hope that tomorrow's scan brings news of eggs growing well and that you have the collection soon. Again, I'm v glad to hear you're taking proper time out to spend time with your family and focus on making the future members of that family . Bet your DH is getting excited...before he knows it he'll be on dadsnet getting tips about how to cope with a newborn

Big waves to everyone else, Ei JG Bucky JollyBear Mibbes 07MTW. Sorry for the ranting, just had to get these (hopefully irrational) worries out of me. I think I would go stir crazy without this thread so and thanks to all you lovely ladies. And roll on the BFPs for those of us still trying!!!

Oh RFN2 - just crossed posts with you!! 58 points based on CM/CP/symptoms is brilliant!! I'm really hopeful for you and shall be keeping my fingers crossed!!!

To post a chart from FF you need to click on "Sharing" in the left hand menu, then select "Home Page Setup". This gives you options you can choose from. Then make sure you choose your more recent chart and then click on Save Settings. It'll give you a web address which you can then post onto Mumsnet following the directions on here.

Hope that makes sense! I thought I'd be rubbish at setting my up (as had never done it before) but it was pretty straightforward once i figured out it's on the Home Page Setup page.

Again, I'm really hoping this month is your month! xxx

MrH and I are getting into some financial whatnot so this is just a quickie to say "STEP AWAY FROM DR GOOGLE CAITNI. THAT WAY DOTH MADNESS LIE"

You do not have raised FSH. You just have a short cycle.

For a woman who is freaking out you are on mighty good form though. Your post did make me laugh out loud on several counts.

Chin up; tomorrow is another day. If you need to, just pay and go private to Agora and get them to check you over. Life is too short to be worrying. And (((higs)))

Just to let you all know Iam out for the month and back to cd1

I am disappointed but its only our 2nd cycle so I cant really complain, DS made me feel better though by giving me lots of hugs this morning and helped me realise how lucky I already am (doesnt stop the broodyness though!)

We are going to try sperm meets egg this month so I need to order some opks

Hope everyone else is ok x

RFN2 sorry to hear AF arrived lady, to you. Glad to hear you're planning on the sperm meets egg thingy, as sounds like an excellent means of boosting your chances

PnM So sorry to hear what an awful day you had on Friday. i hope the weekend was a bit better and that your party went well. How is your sister? What a terrible situation - for her obviously - but also for you.

MrsH I bet you are counting down the days until your appt at the clinic! Roll on friday. Hope you and DH are ok with all your financial stuff?? Couldn't tell if you were just in the middle of sorting stuff out, or if you've got problems (none of my business, obviously, but hope you're ok)

Caitni Definitely step away from google!! I can completely understand your concerns, and why you have been researching (as you will probably know by know, i am a worry queen) but googling will only make things worse. MrsH's suggestion to get checked out privately is very sensible, if it's an option for you. My clinic does an FSH test for £30 - i'm sure most clinics are a similar price. I hope you are feeling a little better today, and carry on ranting here - this is what it's all about - you can say whatever you like here. X

RFN2 I am so, so sorry to hear you are back at CD1. Enjoy those hugs with DS. Have a glass of wine / large bar of chocolate / good cry; whatever you need at this point. ( I generally need all 3!!)

We had a lovely weekend away. I was incredibly exhausted by the end of it, but it was good to get away. We were staying with the friends that i have mentioned to JG before - the ones who ttc for many years, eventually gave up hope, and now have a 3year old and 1 year old! So in some respects it was hard being around young children, but it was a good reminder of what we ultimately hope to achieve, and they really do understand what we are going through. After playing with little ones all weekend my DS & DD are now incredibly impatient to have a little sibling!

My scan went really well this morning - she said i am responding in a "text book" fashion!! (I felt quite proud of my reproductive organs ) The ovary on the side where i have had all the pain has lots of quite large follicles already. The one on the other side (yes, i do have 2) has not responded to the same extent, but there are still a few good follicles there. She said that this is entirely normal that one ovary will sort of "take over" and respond the best. I have another scan on Wednesday but it looks pretty likely that egg collection will be friday . I got a bit upset earlier as i texted DH to say that collection will be friday and embryo transfer on monday, and he texted back to say he has booked friday off. I thought he would want to come along for transfer as well, but he hasn't mentioned it. Oh well, perhaps i am just overreacting. I don't know whether to ask him to come with me, or just accept that i will be going on my own.

hi ladies
sorry i have not been around much (or at all the past few days my laptop decided to pack in and we had to get it fixed but its all better now
MOB im so happy for you that your scan went well you will be a madoldpreggersbird soon
mrshappy sorry you got upset about your friends pregnancy i had a moment like that last week over a friend of mine who seems like the most fertile woman on earth cant say too much on here but shes recently preg and already has a few kids aswell and i cant even manage to expand my family to one more person i felt like the biggest bitch ever and couldnt bring myself to congratulate her for a few days but i feel better now i have
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oo er!! dont know what happened there maybe my laptop isnt as repaired as i first thought
xx ei xx

Ei your post made me chuckle. What on earth were you planning to say to Caitni??

MOB no financial problems here - it was just some admin. I'm so glad to hear that you have 2 ovaries and that they appear to have read the book! I wish I lived near you then I would come to your egg transfer - it's sooooo exciting!

I'm not looking forward to Friday much at all. TBH I have this fear - I had nightmares about it since before my DD was born - that I would end up with an emergency cs because of the hospital's mishandling my labour (tick) and that scarring would wreck my fertility. I hope it is not that, but I guess we will get a better idea in the coming weeks.

I'm sorry your period showed up RFN2. The Deanna plan does look pretty good - that much sex certainly can't hurt!

Hope all is well with the rest of you.

mrshappy it looks as if i had a big swearing rant there doesnt it!!
caitni i was just saying to you and rn2 that im sorry AF arrived for the both of you and best of luck for this cycle
i cant remember what else was in there but it was nothing awful
xx ei xx