The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

[Bucky2008]

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

oh, no caitni - take care of yourself. Really hope everything is ok. take yourself home and let us know how you are later and everything crossed for you. DG had a lot of bleeding early in her pregnancy.

unituber - i think you are absolutely right about the bad tube being removed. I am so pleased you are feeling better. The damaged tube was causing you medical problems and emotional heartache and without it, you would have a safer pregnancy for starters. You and your DH have managed to conceive three times but they didn't make it because of your damaged FT, so you are both really fertile. Now you no longer have to worry about the possibility of another ectopic it will be liberating and you have the certainty that your other tube is pristine

hello to everyone else and especially picknmix 'cause I won't forget her again

OK, I am beginning to think we are jinxed . If anyone is lurking on our thread they will think that we are all going to end up like the golden girls sitting around drinking gin discussing what could have been .

Caitni , I am so sorry you are having such a shtty day. Like GG said DG* had lots of bleeding and we know that Alfredo turned up in the end, but just know we are all 'virtually' holding your hand.

GG I'm with the unituber (fab name, albeit that it comes with pain ), I reckon that the person answering the phone just has crap communication skills. If everyone was a eloquent as us, the world would be a much better place .

MsUnituber, it took about 4 days before I thought I wouldn't split something by moving too quickly, and about a week and a half till there was no soreness. Your's was probably a bit more dramatic than mine though as you had something removed rather than just a poke around so I reckon you should take it easy for at least a week. Just call me Dr Bucky . I am so impressed by your PMA, I would be hiding out under the stairs, feeling sorry for myself, poking DP with a stick to keep him away from me. I bet you still get your dc super quick, as GG says under fertility in the dictionary there is a picture of you. .

Yoohoo picknmix what are you upto lady? Has Oprah got anyone good on? Did Judge Judy make one wise crack too many? Did Fern confess to any other body altering surgery thhis morning? Did you see any interesting birds you can tell DH about to make yourself popular this evening. One more week to go and we can plan for Brighton....woohoo. Oh and Finn will probably be ok with the rabbit, but Molly 'I eat very expensive electrical equipment as well as sandals' Dog, will most likely have him for dinner! . DP nearly cried when his Bose headphones got eaten on Tuesday!

Well CD22 of a generally 28-29 day cycle. Only in with a slim chance this month due to the BDing stopping on CD15, so unless egg hatched on CD15 or CD16 there is little hope. I did BD on all the days I had EWCM though so we'll see....

Bucky waves to MOB, Ei, JB, Mibbes* and all our soon to be mums and runs back to the office kitchen to make a big cup of tea.

Bucky I wonder about that too. But then I remember all the people who have left our thread and had successful pregnancies. There are bound to be a few of us for whom it takes a little longer. And hey, maybe if we are not all up the duff by Christmas next year we should club together for a group baby buying trip somewhere in the third world or to buy a giant multi-pack of Clomid.

caitni I hope you're ok. If this does turn out to be a chem pregnancy after all, then please take some hope from it. Your eggs and your DH's sperm work. They can get together in the right place. Maybe this one is not meant to be, but the next one will and it won't be a long wait I am sure. In the meantime (((higs)))

Evening all,

Caitni how are you doing? Been thinking about you all afternoon. Have you tried to get a doctors appt at all?

How are you feeling Unituber??

JG (loving the name change!), it does seem that when it comes to the NHS, patience is key for patients (gahhhhh, bad bad pun, apologies ). I'm also with Unituber on this - it does sound like communication skills were severely lacking in the person you spoke to (interesting when that is their job !!!) but I think you can have full confidence in the medical side of things.

Naughty Molly-Dog Bucky - I can understand your DP's annoyance!! My rabbit ate his way through my laptop cable again the other day - my fault for leaving it in his way I guess, surprised he didn't get a shock cos it buggered up my laptop in the process and lost a load of work!! Watched a bit of Doctors, followed by Diagnosis Murder topped off by some classic Murder She Wrote today - missed 60 Min Makeover though (love this program, how do they manage it in 60 mins?!).

Best go have a conversation with DH - he appears to be obsessed with doing the laundry, cleaning and washing up at the moment.... Not that I'm complaining but it does mean I hardly see him (think he's trying to prove he can look after me and the house but he's going to end up knackered!).

I'm good thanks Picknmix. am about to go in the bath and take off my plasters to reveal the devastation beneath...

How's your foot? Your DH sounds like a total star. Do you know what I discovered today? On TV channel websites you can watch programmes you've missed. Perhaps I am a bit slow for not noticing this before.... But today I watched "Lost in Austen" (a bit shit but I do like Jemima Rooper) and "The Children" (creepy, about really selfish parents) on the ITV website. Kept me occupied for hours, so worth a look!

Gag - the bellybutton one seems to be oozing a bit. Let's hope the air dries it out...

Oh gosh, my oozing bellybutton has killed the thread.

Caitni how are you doing today poppet?

hi ladies
judith (great name btw really suits you) iv realised that my post the other day sounded quite insensitive i read it back to myself and im sorry if i sounded like i was saying you shouldnt feel upset etc i meant it like if you were to rip off a plaster quickly it gets the pain out of the way and in the open instead of the uncertainty/anticipation of the pain and then the pain aswell iyswim i hope you are ok and your jet lag has worn off now
caitni im so sorry hun that you think things are over for you {{{{{{{{higs}}}}}}}}}}
PnM glad your DH is taking good care of you and over the fabulous daytime tv. i miss it working full time now one of the limited benefits of breaking a bone
unituber (fabulously darkly humourous name xx) i hope you're healing ok and you are not feeling too bad in yourself and i think you are so brave and strong to still be the lovely person you are after having to go through so much xx (that goes for every last one of you xx)
i hope everyone else is doing well and having a nice weekend
7dpo for me today af due on thursday and FF saying to test next saturday so who knows eh??!!
xx ei xx

Hi all

Lovely sunny day here in Brighton

UniT Hope your belly button isn't hurting too much! I'm sorry to hear about you losing a tube, but I agree that having it out improves your odds of a healthy pregnancy no end - your lovely pink tube will step up and your Dr will be seeing you in antenatal clinic before long!

MOB how did the app on Friday go?

Ei 7 dpo already! Fingers crossed that there's no AF on Thurs and instead you get a nice strong BFP xx

PnM at your DH bustling around with the housework - he sounds like he's doing all he can to help!

Bucky sorry to hear of the stress with flights, holidays, kennels etc. I hope you can work things out in the way that works best for you and your DP. Your post about day time tv had me giggling

JudithG loving the temporary name change! I echo everyone else who say that it's most likely that the person on the phone didn't communicate properly. Things are starting in January, so they'll have to work around that regardless. Hope you're over your jet lag btw

Thanks everyone for your kind words and support - CD3 for me so things are definitely over. I was v upset on Friday, but am feeling much better now. What's meant to be and all that. UniT you're right, the fact that an egg was fertilised at all after so long trying was a huge boost, and I'm going to look on the bright side with that. I've decided to get healthier - low GI, more accupuncture, yoga and also the supplements that Marilyn Glenville recommends in her book Natural Solutions to Infertility. Time for me (and my DH) to get into tip top shape so the next little bean sticks! We've decided to keep trying naturally until January, and if no news by then we''ll start investigations.

So now off to Boots to stock up on linseed oil and the like

Happy Sunday to all xx

Hi all x
Well its cd21 for me today and no signs as of yet but I doubt I will get any because not hopeful for this month with it being the 1st one.

Hope everyone else is doing ok and that we will see some bfps soon x x

hi caitni im so sorry it is all over but nice to see how philosophical and optimistic you are about the whole situation and your future good plan to get healthy (one i am adopting for myself im up to 8lb lost now) loads of {{{{{{{{higs}}}}}}}} and big (*) bags of luck and sticky baby dust for you
readyfornum2 sorry i havent said hi earlier good luck and dont lose hope just yet as we say it not over til the red lady flows
i hope everyone is having a nice sunday
xx ei xx

hello everyone

just a quick message from me. Broadband isn't working at home and I am being careful about internet use at work these days, so shorter and less frequesnt posts, but I still ove you all.

Caitni - I am so sorry . You sound super positive despite all the emotional pain and your time WILL come. We're all here for you. I think it is good to have a target date in mind for when you say, hey maybe we need some help. Everything crossed for next month, because at least you know that you had a BFP.

unituber - how is the oozy belly button? Don't worry, you haven't killed the thread . I think it's only time to really worry when the bellybutton goo looks like the inside of a Cadbury's Creme Egg . Hope the pain is getting better and you are mobile. Is your DH being as good at washing and domestic chores at Picknmix's?

picknmix - is your foot any better? has the pain lessened at all? Sorry to hear abotu the rabbit chewed cable.

Bucky - any news with you?

hello to everyone missed, especially MOB and lou and everyone.

We have the follow up sperm test results appointment this afternoon at the hospital. We find out if 9 weeks of abstinence from alcohol has made DH's swimmers especially perky and much more numerous, well perky enough to cast aside their zimmers and numerous enough to fertilise an egg.

He admits that he can't work out whether he wants there to be an improvement or not . No improvement means he can still drink, because his abstinence hasn't made any difference to his sperm count (if he does resume, it will be moderately, if I've got anything to do with it ). Noticable improvement = no drinking any alcohol at all until we get a BFP followed by a little one, which he is NOT looking forward to 'cause it could be years, but he will do it, I think.

will keep you posted,

JG x

ei - wow, I am impressed at 8lbs lost through healthy improvements. I am about a stone over what I should be, so I have instigated a low GI plan and hoping to be like you and drop some weight soon (I want to be back to my old weight by Christmas, which seems do-able). Thnaks for inspiring me. Do you have any top tips?

Morning ladies

Caitni I am so, so sorry to hear your news. That's awful. Hope you and DH are as ok as can be expected. Lots of love to you. As others have said you sound remarkably positive, and your attitude really is an inspiration. Here's hoping all the lifestyle changes will ensure the next time you have a lovely sticky bean. I take Marilyn Glenville's fertility plus - well at least i was taking it, and have just re-started again. You will have bright yellow wee!! Do look after yourself. XX

JG (great name change!) Welcome back. You were missed! It's sounds like you had a great holiday, although sorry to hear it was rather an emotional rollercoaster. I'm not surprised you got your hopes up. Probably a good thing you had a "proper" cry - i think they are essential once in a while to let everything out. Did you contact your BF? Was it the news you were expecting? How are things at work, and with your boss? (Sorry, lots of questions there ) Do let us know the results later. I can kind of see your DH's feelings about the drinking / not drinking, but hopefully if not drinking = baby, I'm sure he will be happy to continue to abstain.

Unituber (another fab name change!) So lovely to hear you sounding better, although it sounds very "ouch" at the moment. Hope it's not oozing too much! Although it's awful to have to go through an operation, it does sound as though you are much better off without that tube. You sound pretty keen to get ttc again - good for you. As i'm sure you know, having one tube does not decrease fertility, apparently the eggs from the "tubeless" side can move around and go down the remaining tube - but quite how that works i have no idea Enjoy all that tv catching up while you are at home, perhaps we can ask you to watch programmes we have missed, then you can give us a brief summary!

EI How are things with you? I'm feeling really hopeful for you this cycle. Only a week now until your appt, isn't it?

PnM How's the foot? Your DH sounds absolutely wonderful, with everything he is doing. I bet you are counting the days unitl the SA. I can't believe it is still a month away. Is it usual for you to have such a short period? Not that any of us would complain about only 2 days i'm sure, but just noticed that you had commented on it.

readyfornum2 If you are having no symptoms, then i think that can often be a good thing, as far as hoping for a BFP goes!! Are you going to resist the temptation to test?!

Bucky well, i shall expect some symptom spotting from you this week as well! (The weirder the better...) Don't give up hope, and even if this month is not your month, you can then move on to Operation "Sex every day / every other day / every third day until the EWCM is well and truly gone"

We had a good meeting at the clinic with the nurse on Friday. I now have my treatment all planned. I start taking the pill (that's going to feel really wierd) at the beginning of my next cycle, then i have a baseline scan on 20th Oct. I then start all the injecting etc, with egg collection at the beginning of November. I have to say I have felt completely overwhelmed and emotional all weekend after the appt. Silly really, but it all suddenly seems so real, and so near. We have so much hope and excitement invested in this. I feel a lot better today, and have a reflexology appt this afternoon, which should hopefully de-stress me. We have now told immediate family and a few very close friends that we are having ivf. That feels strange, as now it's not just DH and me that are talking about it, but it's become a part of other people's lives as well. It does feel nice though, now it's not a "secret".

Hope everyone has a good day.

I'm just catching up after a week in West Wales. I'm so so sorry to hear your news unituber (hope I've got the right name change) I do hope you are doing ok.

Catni Sorry for your news too.

There has been so much to catch up on so do forgive me for the lack of personal responses but I can keep up to date now I'm back.

Still all boring here I am afraid. AF due on Friday. I have a big party to go to tomorrow though so am in the usual quandary as to whether to get hammered or not . I am 90% sure there will be no BFP this month so I am definitely leaning to the side of being naughty .

In the name of the thread though I contribute the following symptoms:

1. Peeing ALOT - (also drinking ALOT of tea and orange juice in my course yesterday which may have had something to do with the peeing )

1. Tearing up at a pathetic story in a management text book (yes a management text book -Covey) about a little boy and a coat . (Most likely PMS).

1. Literally drooling over my course lecturer yesterday....He has sailed around the world the wrong way and is all weathered but a looker in a George Clooney kind of way (although he looks nothing like George Cloony ). He is all dominant in a teacher kind of way - 'Can I have your attention please Bucky?', ah so commanding and manly.... He had very big legs though, not sure what that is about, do you need big hamstrings on a boat? . (Anyway, I put this down to a) being red blooded and b) being hormonal due to PMS.)

1. Feel the size of a house. (obviously PMS)

Anyway, I should really be doing work on the train not surfing so I'd better get back to it. Hope you girls are OK today and everyone is on the mend/feeling positive.

I will check in later and see if there has been any activity.

Morning all!

It's quiet round here.

MOB - I am so excited for you and you sound so upbeat after your meeting with the clinic. I will be coming to you for advice when it is my turn and asking you to hold my hand. I just know all will work out for you.

Bucky - all good symptoms for you for a BFP. ARe you going to test before your big night out just in case. I would err on having fun (I think stress does more damage than a few drinks) and having a crush on your course lecturer sounds like a good way to pass the time.

hello to unituber and caitni today. How are you two doing? Thinking of you both. is the bely button recovered?

Picknmix are you still laid up at home with your bad foot?

07MTW - hope you had a lovely holiday. How are you feeling? getting excited?

We got the results of DH's fourth (!!) sperm analysis at the hospital yesterday and it is much the same as before . Really disappointing. Clearly 10 weeks of DH shovelling fruit and veg into his mouth by the tonne, going organic, dining on brazil nuts, daily man vits and not drinking a drop of alcohol hasn't make any bl**din' difference at all . There were 4m of the buggers instead of 2m, but same motility and quality and, in fertility terms, that's a negligable, completely insignificant change we were told.

I think poor DH was a bit stunned that his austerity actions have done "nothing positive" (doctor's words) to aid his sperm count save to rule out that alcohol had any bearing . I don't think we were expecting a miracle cure, but an improvement might have given us some hope. You are left wondering if there is anything positive you can do to help a low sperm count, because DH has done it all and really, really stuck to it. I feel quite helpless really, although I'll stick with accupuncture etc. Going forward DH says he'll continue to be moderate with drinking and eat healthily anyway (me too, just to get in tip top condition for IVF), so we are much as we were before.... and waiting for January.

JG I can see those results would be a bit disappointing, but look on it this way... Your DH has doubled the number of sperm from which the doctors can choose the ICSI candidates. There are bound to be a dozen or so olympic swimmers amongst that lot.

bucky I am glad the course is going well and am enjoying hearing about your symptoms. Depending on who I speak to I am now supposed to wait anywhere between 1 and 6 months before ttc again, so I might just have to symptom spot vicariously for a bit...

MOB you are being very brave going ahead with the IVF thing. Having spent what seems like years of my life arguing or not qualifying for NHS treatment, going on waiting lists etc the whole private thing seems breathtakingly fast. I have been researching IVF clinics too because if that will improve our odds (I don't know if it will, but will go see a Dr soon for a chat on this issue) then I am prepared to fork out. The one I am most interested in has no waiting list and a cycle can take just 6 weeks. If I was a good candidate and if all went well it could be a very quick fix indeed... Very exciting.

How's the foot PnM? Is your DH still being a domestic god?

Have you spotted any symptoms yet, Ei?

How are you doing Caitni? I hope you're bearing up.

My belly button seems to have crusted over although it does start looking a bit oozy if I walk too far. I am still not at work but with banks falling over left right and centre I do feel like I should get back asap (not that I can do anything to prop them up...). I'm going to the GP to get a medical certificate today. Not sure when I will go back to work - atm if anyone banged into my tummy on the train I think I would keel over or puke, and I am still feeling pretty down.

Hope you are all well.

JG I'm sorry there was no marked improvement, how disappointing for you and DH after his weeks and weeks of being "good" to his body.

I'm feeling ok thanks very nervous now as I had focused on the holiday but now I'm home with 5 wks to go reality is setting in

Bucky You do make me laugh you clearly like the older man as Mr Accupuncture was too young and certainly not weathered enough

Good morning to everyone else hope you are ok today.

07MTW Mr Course Tutor is actually 36 the same age as me!! The course is over now though so back to reality .

Good to see you all out and about on the thread today . I am on my way to Leeds today so will be off radar till tomorrow unless i sneak a peak in the office when I get there.

PicknMix where are you? Daytime TV must be getting old by now? .

JG that is such a shame about DH's results, but he did so well at making every effort to improve things. At least you can both eat and drink "normally" in the lead up to treatment, without worrying about it being detrimental. Continuing to eat healthily & drinking in moderation as you say, can only be a good thing. TBH our consultant said it is very difficult to improve SA results. Your DH has been wonderful and has explored whether alcohol is the problem, but unfortunately it's not. However, as you know, he has way more than enough for ICSI, so there is no reason why you shouldn't be very successful. We will probably be starting our second cycle when you start in the new year, so i can hold your hand all the way!

Bucky A loving all the symptoms Thank you, you have made me laugh on this cold boring morning. Lusting after your teacher is definitely a symptom; when i was last pregnant many, many moons ago, i had a one track mind for the first few weeks - like i was possessed! Mind you, i'm a bit like that now, as i'm oving!!I would agree with JG re the party. Perhaps test with FMU tomorrow. If it's a BFN, then it doesn't necessarily mean you are not pg, as you will be testing early, but what it will mean is that any little bean won't have implanted yet, so either way, you are safe to go and enjoy yourself and have a glass or five. Hope you have a good time in leeds today.

unituber Good to hear from you. Take as much time off work as you need - you have had an operation that you need to recover from, let alone the emotional aspect of the whole thing. I'm sure you will know instinctively when you are ready to ttc again. Your body will tell you. Yes - the whole private ivf thing happens very, very fast. We had no option but to go private, unfortunately, so i think the speed of things is what made me feel completely overwhelmed over the weekend. It may be a good thing for you to explore the option over the next few weeks, and speak to a dr or two. I have a feeling you will probably get a BFP fairly soon once you start trying again, but at least if things don't happen then you can proceed with that, as you will have done all the ground work.

MTW Hope you had a lovely holiday. FIVE WEEKS to go??? Unbelievable! Enjoy your few weeks of relative peace and quiet at home. We will soon be cyber aunties again

Big hello to PnM EI Lou readyfor num2 JB* Mibbes hatty and anyone else i have inadvertently forgotten.

Have a good day everyone. XX

Aargggh - Caitni I forgot to mention you (not that i forgot you - but i forgot to write it in my message) How are you? Thinking of you lots. XX

hi ladies
JG so sorry you DHs results were no better i have my fingers crossed for things to go quickly for you and bring january here faster for you you will get a shiny new year bfp i know you will
MOB i cant believe how fast your treatment is huuugeeee truckloads of luck for you and your DH and i cant wait to hear your announcement in just a few short weeks
UT i hope you get your medical certificate from your gp and take a few weeks out to rest and recuperate. i hope you start to feel better soon xxx
bucky oh you are naughty a bit of healthy fantasy during a course never hurt anyone
hi to everyone else
10dpo for me today and my temp seems to be steadily going down so i am fully expecting AF on thursday ahh well another month
xx ei xx

Tis me, I have sneaked a peak .

MOB I too am shocked at the speed, that is kind of what freaked me out too. Well, actually that is what freaked me out. It was a case of as soon as you make the call the ball starts rolling and whilst I should be ready for it, after two and a half years , I freaked out.

I am now giving it till January when I will have lots of annual leave again and will have had my appointment with the NHS. I will also have got my girly NYC trip out the way at the end of October and all the Christmas festivities. Three months is quite a long time, but at least I know that it will be quick once I get going. The logistics were freaking me out before about how to fit it in, when I would be taking the drugs (most likely over Christmas or when I was in NYC) etc etc....You however, are incredibly brave and I hopefully you won't need a second cycle as the first one will be a sticker . We can all experience it through you too, so we know what we are in for. Not to put a damper on things, but what happened with your smear result thing? That was you wasn't it? .

Unituber - crusty sounds like you are on the mend. Hurrah . You need a good rest after all that has gone on so you should join PicknMix on the sofa. It's a pity we don't all live closer we could hang out together on the sofa. I quite fancy buying a wedding dress for this purpose like they did on Friends once. I never had a proper wedding dress, and although I don't want to get married again (divorced), I would like to wear a dress. Anyway, you make sure you get some R&R.

JG I am at the swimmers. What's up with the little blighters??? Ah well, at least things are going in the right direction for you too. 4 million sounds loads though . Especially when you only need one.

Caitni How are you holding up? Do come back soon when you feel up to it .

Ei 10dpo already . It was only the other day you were looking for the egg! Sorry the temp it going down though.

I am starting to think that personal responses are not a good idea as I am bound to have forgotten people. So the usual shout out to all those who are out there and I have omitted to mention. xx

Bucky Ah, i see now - i am the thread "ivf guinea pig"! After i've had a go, the rest of you will decide whether you want to consider it I'll tell it like it is, then, but try not to put you off!!
Yes, it was me with the borderline smear test recently. The consultant wasn't remotely bothered by it - he said 9 times out of 10 the next result will be normal. If it's not, he can do a colposcopy whilst i'm pregnant. (And any treatment can wait until i've -hopefully- given birth) It was a relief after receiving the NHS leaflet with "cancer" written all over it, telling me to use "effective contraception" (if only we were fertile enough to need to use it) and not to get pregnant.

Are you in Leeds yet??