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Assisted Conception and the bits inbetween

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soosy · 26/06/2008 11:33

Welcome to the new thread I only hope I can link it to the old one

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mowmi · 24/12/2008 18:05

Thanks Nappy and everyone else!
Really disappointed that I have taken the shine off what should be the best news in the world - feel so bad for DH.
Anyway....enough of the wallowing!

Merry Christmas everyone - let's hope 2009 delivers all our dreams.

Much love x

flibbertywidget · 24/12/2008 23:05

MERRY CHRISTMAS LADIES - I hope you all have a lovely, peaceful christmas just the way you want.

Mowmi stay off t'internet.... until 7th Jan. My scan is 2 days later than yours :-(

I am not having many symptoms, and yesterday didnt "feel" pregnant at all. Take it easy sweetie and enjoy xmouse and then look forward to your scan.

hugs to you all, thanks for helping me make it through my journey xxxxx

londonlottie · 27/12/2008 18:02

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rowingboat · 28/12/2008 00:05

Hi everyone, how have you enjoyed the holiday?
We braved the sales today, pretty bad, but there were some bargains to be had, if you could bear the ridiculously high temperature in the shops.
Have cold/sore throat again and what looks like worryingly chubby tum. Will have to go running everyday to maximise the IVF.

londonlottie · 28/12/2008 12:06

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spook · 28/12/2008 15:49

Hi girls. I hope you all had a lovely Christmas. I'm just surveying the train wreck that is my house atm. DH and me have had flu and got Christmas Day over and then collapsed for 2 days! The boys went to their dads on boxing day and we had all sorts of plans for long walks and champagne by the fire. No such bloody luck
Anyway, the boys are back and we're beginning to feel human again so I guess its back to the real world!
I'm still sniffing away and looking forward to my scan on Jan 6th and hopefully starting stimms on 7th.
I did phone the clinic on Christmas Eve and they brusquely told me that 25 days is a normal down reg. Can't see it myself but I'm no fertility expert...(well I probably am now actually )
I think we may well have champagne by the fire tonight anyway!!!

rowingboat · 29/12/2008 11:16

Oh dear Spook, I hope you are feeling better now.
We have a horrible cough/cold thingy which has made getting the house tidy very difficult. Christmas is so hectic that when you pick up a virus, it only hits when you slow down, it's as if the adrenaline keeps it at bay. Thank goodness I have another week's holiday (much needed). I am finding the whole IVF planning very stressful and time-consuming, and I haven't even started yet.
Lottie, I will be your running buddy, cough cough, when I stop shivering.
I do remember that both times I have been pg, I was pretty fit and had significantly lower body fat than I do at the moment. Have a Christmas tubby tum, so need to sort this out.

londonlottie · 29/12/2008 11:58

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rowingboat · 29/12/2008 12:40

Hi Lottie,
how lovely to have your DH at home. Even yesterday my DP was complaining about toys everywhere and boxes etc, whilst I was lying in bed coughing my head off. Yes, I'll just get up and sort that out right now.
I think it's the money and making a final decision that's really making me feel uneasy. Sometimes I think it would be nice to go for a holiday in Hungary, but not in February! I don't really want to travel and all that carry on, but may have to.
I hope they do a three embryo transfer at the ERI because then I would probably just go with them for the sake of convenience.
They quote £600 for the drugs package, but I'm not sure if that is realistic?
I looked into Geeta Nargund and if the ERI doesn't work out we could possibly afford a cycle with her, as it is a bit cheaper and I have family in London and Essex. Then that's it for us, so hope it works or we have some frozen embryos (cheaper). I have noticed on here that there don't seem to be many embryos left to freeze, so don't think I will pin any hopes on that.
I started couch to 5K in September, but only managed three weeks then stopped and then started again, did two weeks and got a cold then that was that.
I might start next week, there's no way I could manage with this cold.

londonlottie · 29/12/2008 13:25

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mowmi · 29/12/2008 17:42

Evening Ladies, Can't be much use on the cost of drugs... I didn't realise you could buy them elsewhere and just bought them straight from the clinic.
RB don't forget I'm with Geeta Nargund so if you want to ask any questions fire away.

Been in to the clinic today to get another blood test to put my mid at rest. Just heard back and everything is fine. Going to try and relax until the scan next week.

x

sootykalucy · 30/12/2008 07:11

Glad to see you are hanging in there Mowmi and yes LL I am now in Oz, and glad to hear your BMI was in line by the DDay. I arrived Xmas day and had a huge rellybash which seemed to go on for four days . . I have now made my getaway to my Mum's beachouse and getting over all the lurgies from the plane. Weather is great and food is fantastic . . and the misery of last IVF cycle finaly feels behind me . . . Am going to make an appointment at Sydney IVF this week . . . . will keep you posted.

onionlove · 30/12/2008 09:24

Hello ladies,
Hope you are all well and enjoyed your Christmas and looking forward to your new year.
Rowingboat, we paid about £950 for our drugs and ended up with a lot left over, the clinic also gave us a free syneral(?) but you can't count on that. I didn't want to risk buying the drugs from somewhere else although I know I probably could have shopped around. There is a lot to plan and think about but just take it one step at a time and I suppose resign yourself to the fact that you'll be broke :-)
We are still not sure about doing a drug free IVM cycle next time, I know it will be cheaper but I just want it to work!!! I'm trying not to think about it too much at the moment as we are not booked in to see our consultant until the end of January.
Lottie, do many clinics offer the 3 for 2 packages? We were also told that 3 goes is what we should expect to take.

rowingboat · 30/12/2008 13:44

Thank you for all the info Lottie! That does help.
Mowmi, I did know you were with Care, which is what prompted me to check the details there.
There is no way we could manage three attempts financially, apart from that low-cost IVF with Care. We have been very lucky to get the money for this attempt from family. I was interested in that three deal package with no stimulation because that would fit in with our budget, but I'm not sure it would suit me at my age?
Must phone the clinic and find out more about it.
Even the clinic in Hungary, is still going to come in quite high once the cost of flights/accommodation and bits and pieces are factored in. I think the most we could manage with them would be two attempts.
Onion, your clinic sounds very helpful. I would love to just stay here and buy everything at the ERI, but I can't afford to risk over-spending. It is a worry that I will end up with dodgy drugs, so I wouldn't go too far afield, but there seem to be known pharmacies that many people have used.
I saw a pharmacy on Fertility Friends in Italy, has anyone used that one?
We kind of know we only have one or max two attempts and that we will move on to adoption after that.
You never know we might get lucky straight away-everything but my tubes works.

mowmi · 30/12/2008 15:31

Hi RB, Yes I'm with Geeta at Create in Raynes Park. My full blown ICSI was £3050 + drugs and blood tests. I know IVF is £2550 + drugs and bloods and Natural IVF is cheaper than that. I saw a post somewhere about where the cheapest place for drugs was (I'll try and find it).

x

pinkie08 · 30/12/2008 20:28

Hi,

Please can i pre-empt joining you all. You all sound full of info and are friendly.

I have just finished my last cycle of clomid, unsuccessful and am waiting to hear from the fertility specialist for an appointment.

Its all very daunting and i am feeling quite despondent

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rowingboat · 31/12/2008 13:18

Thank you Mowmi, I think I will send an email to Care or phone and see whether I would be a good candidate for the unstimulated IVF, or one of the others?
Lottie that is a great idea - setting up a site. I set up a blog for cloth nappies when I used them on DS and it really took off.

rowingboat · 31/12/2008 14:02

Sorry Mowmi I keep typing Care instead of create.
I think Care is the clinic where they do some kind of testing which gives a higher pg chance, but it is super expensive.

rowingboat · 31/12/2008 14:13

Mowmi, do you mind me asking, what was the cost of drugs on top of those prices at Create?
I have been quoted around 800-1000 euros in Hungary, which is pretty much £800 - £1000 these days. The cost of IVF is 1600 euros, so that's around £2600 plus another 300 euros for all tests and scans.
We have our appointment at the ERI on Monday so we should be able to get a realistic idea of all costs then.
I think, if we go there, I will stay in a squat and take a folding cycle to save money and live on beans.
Time to make up a little sheet with cost comparisons....

Kanuck · 01/01/2009 13:35

Hi everybody ? I am new to this thread. Have read the last 5 pages or so to catch up on the discussion. I am a former (private) IVF patient and thought I would share my experiences below. If anybody has any specific questions, I am happy to answer.

I am 41 and 9 weeks pregnant after undergoing 3 IVF treatments and 4 IUI treatments -in my opinion IUI is a waste of time, especially at my age. My husband cannot father children because he had the mumps as a child, so we required donor sperm if I wanted to get pregnant. This is so difficult in the UK with the latest legislation and so my first clinic here in the UK, Oxford, recommended that we consider going overseas to Denmark for donor sperm. If you get donor sperm from Denmark, you cannot legally re-import to the UK so we then considered going to Denmark for the entire treatment.

I went for secondary advice to Hammersmith IVF in London re doing treatment in Denmark. As it turns out, Denmark is the leading country in the world for fertility treatment and research, and has made a huge business out of exporting ?donor sperm?. Many countries such as Canada and the US import donor sperm from Denmark to help families produce their own little ?vikings?. I decided on a clinic and kept my consultant at Hammersmith IVF for advice before each treatment, and they also did all my monitoring (scans, blood) for each cycle here in the UK, so that I had to go overseas only for actual treatment. For frozen cycles (and IUI), these were day trips ? home by supper. Fresh IVF cycles meant being away for 3 or 4 nights. Both the UK and Danish clinics were amazing. Great, caring people and straightforward dialogue, with leading edge personnel and technology. If you are considering going overseas for treatment, I would recommend this ?collaborative? approach.

I did 3 IVF cycles over 13 months and had committed to doing 5 treatments max. My consultant at Hammersmith had ?valued/aged? my ovaries at 36 or 37 based on my excellent response to stimulation, so I guess I had hope enough to do this 5 times. It is expensive of course and the pound falling this past year has made costs much worse, as you can imagine.

On the subject of costs, Hammersmith IVF has the cheapest drugs in the country ? no doubt. My drug costs for each cycle were in the range of £800. I actually got a quote from Healthcare at Home on a prescription for the identical £800 drugs (initially not on Hammersmith letterhead) that was £1100. I always had drugs left over ? some had to be thrown out, others could be used in subsequent cycles.

I also was offered the IVF ?volume discount? pricing deal. The reason clinics do this ?buy 2 get 3? deal is because your odds of getting pregnant are so much better with 3 attempts BUT it most definitely helps their statistics to look better. Harsh as it may sound, no clinic really wants patients who only intend to try once ? it worsens their stats.

Unfortunately, and finally, I got moderate to severe OHSS on my last IVF treatment. This was exacerbated TREMENDOUSLY due to pregnancy. At one point three weeks ago I had >400ml of fluid in my stomach, my ovaries had swollen so big and I was almost hospitalised. No potential harm to embryo luckily, which was good, but I was home for 10 days. Not trying to scare anyone off but this is the big IVF risk. This time I was on half the dose of the stimulation drug vs. my first IVF (when I had no sickness) so this really is not predictable with any sort of regulation of ?dosing?. I am now dealing with some painful ovarian cysts (not due to IVF) but I think the worst is over and the best is yet to come. The month of December certainly has been bitter-sweet.

Well that?s my story. If anybody wants any more details about overseas treatment, I am happy to answer. Happy New Year to you all and I hope everything works out for you in the assisted conception dept!

rowingboat · 01/01/2009 15:23

Hi Kanuck,
that is a great story, thank you for posting and letting us know how you are getting on.
I am thinking about treatment abroad, because of costs - we are completely self-funded and are on a low income (I work p/t, DP is doing Phd) so money is very tight).
We are going to see our local clinic on Monday so will get the low-down on the drugs.
Do you know if anyone sells on their drugs, or if this is legal. I have seen quite a few people commenting about having drugs left over
from IVF?
I am glad to hear you are starting to feel better, I hope the ovarian pain reduces soon. Are you taking any pain killers?

Kanuck · 01/01/2009 15:40

No painkillers - I think i took paracetamol a couple of days but there is a lot of dispute as to whether you should take it in first three months of pregnancy. Otherwise you learn to live with the pain and a lot of it is more discomfort which is easier to deal with i guess.

The drugs that people typically have left over post IVF (and could pass on) are the cheaper ones (progesterone and GNrH antagonist). The expensive FSH drugs often have to be thrown out as they only last in refrigeration for a month, once opened. You will never start another cycle by that time to re-use. I used one FSH drug called Puregon which comes in 900, 600 and 300 volumes. I learned that buying the smaller bottles was better / more efficent if I was unsure the number of days i'd be using it. If you open a 900 bottle, inject 300, and then doc takes you off the next day, you have to throw out the rest. Hope this makes sense.

rowingboat · 01/01/2009 22:53

Poor you, I hope the pain goes down soon!
Thanks for the tip, it's the little things that help. It does seem that drugs get left over quite often. I suppose it must be quite difficult for the doctors to know how much you will require in advance.
At the moment this stuff is all very bewildering to me, there seem to be so many drug names. Hopefully, after my initial consultation, I will feel a bit less confused.

mowmi · 02/01/2009 09:31

Hi Kanuck - thanks for sharing all with us - congratulations on your pregnancy.
Pinkie - welcome to the thread - we all feel / felt like that too... as lottie says it's really not that bad - it's hard when it doesn't work but the actual doing it isn't as hard as it's billed! once you get going you'll feel a lot better - like you're doing something to achieve your dream!
RB - this is really crap but I can't remember... I tried my best not to tot it up too much (I didn't want to know!) it will totally depend on your dosage - first time around I was on quite a low dose, 2nd time a much higher one. They have quite a comprehensive price list which they could either post you or read to you? it's the fsh that costs - everything else is fairly cheap (I'm sure you know that already!)
Lottie - how you doing? not too long know - hope you're kind of looking to getting back on the rollercoaster!
Fliberty - are you out there? how you doing?
I still can't believe it - I'm still nervous...just hoping everything is good at the scan next week!

Happy new year all x

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