Assisted Conception and the bits inbetween

[soosy]

Welcome to the new thread I only hope I can link it to the old one

lol LL. Thanks for the feedback. It sounds very balanced tbh and I agree with your sentiment wrt giving early feedback so that it is viewed more objectively. I smiled when you talked about your pic of air bubbles. I remember showing a (close) colleague a pic of my 8 week scan (which I later lost) which was just a small blob. I remember her looking at it in a what the hell am I supposed to be looking at kind of way Glad you enjoyed the trip. Did you like Norway?

Lottie, it sounds like a bit of damned if you do and damned if you don't situation, with the number of days. Your clinic has given good reasons for a day three transfer, I have come across the 'better in the uterus' argument as well, and it does make perfect sense. On the other hand the research on blasts shows they do better, but it's better to have embryos to transfer, if they don't look as if they are going to make five days. Really tricky.
I would be more than happy with a couple to transfer on day three to be honest.
I still have to reply to the Doc in Hungary about a suitable date, thinking the end of January though, to give us more time to get our act together.
I would love to go with our local clinic for the sake of convenience for our family. Hungary means a big upheaval with DS having to come out of nursery for up to two weeks and the cat having to be re-homed for a while.
The costs of accommodation mean that the treatment costs almost the same as the local clinic, but the Hungarian clinic will transfer three or even four embryos, which I believe is better at my age. I know there is the possibility of FET, but the thawing makes the odds of the embryo surviving lower than a fresh cycle, so we have to prefer that I think.
The ERI can transfer two max and charge quite a bit more for storage and FET, which would make the Hungarian clinic cheaper in the long run.
I have no idea if we will have the option for FET, but have to consider that, just in case.
Cor what an essay that was.
Good luck with the 2WW Lottie!!
The lady who is currently in Hungary said they showed them the embryos being transferred, but I wasn't quite clear on how it was done, I had the impression it was a scan.
Are you taking baby aspirin? What drugs are you taking now?

Hi Guys, well it all ended in tears today as there were no eggs to be collected. I'm still in shock, both at the outcome and the response at the hospital which was completely inhuman - they let my partner wait in the other clinic for an hour and then still got him to do the sperm delivery, despite the fact that I was sitting waiting unconsoled in post op trying to tell them to cancel his part! Unbelievable ! Then they couldn't understand why I didn't want to wait until 12 to get my instructions from the 'fertility team' when there were no eggs, I told them there was no point me waiting, as there were no eggs . . . and nurse said "Why were there no eggs?". At that point I got dressed and left . . . .

Sorry and angry to hear of your experience Sooty. They sound incompetent as well as lacking empathy. Agree with londonlottie - makes me very angry that people who work in this field lack the basic qualities. When I went for an 8 week scan a fortnight ago, there was a nurse and a sonographer. Neither said they were sorry for my loss. In the past I've also been told that I am lucky because my HCG level has gone back to zero. Incredible. If I ever retrained, I would consider working in an EPU or fertility clinic so that I could use my own negative experiences to some positive effect.

Sooty it is all so wrong. I'm sorry there were no eggs and I'm so angry about the way you were both treated. Please, when you are calmer make an official complaint - it's absolutely disgusting.
Sending you a huge hug.

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Sooty, I'm sorry you have been treated so cruelly. Sounds very disorganised and messy. When will you be going back to the clinic, I hope they can offer you support especially after the chaos.
Sending you hugs.
Lottie, I have heard of the pessaries, don't sound pleasant, but a necessary evil I suppose. I think I might take baby aspirin if we ever get to the stage you are at. Just in case.

Sooty - so sorry about your disappointment at having no eggs, and then to be treated so badly was just unforgivable. Will you have a follow up consultation to discuss why this happened?

how you doing Sooty? I've been thinking about you a lot and hope you are doing ok.

I've just got back from the EC to find chaos in my kitchen and my water tank making the most awful din! Plumber is currently cutting a whole in my kitchen ceiling to get to the heating pipes - so much for rest and relaxation!

We got 7 eggs but have been warned 2 are small so we'll end up at 5. Plan is for them to go back in on Friday.

LL how are you doing? what is your test date?

Hello to everyone else.

Hi guys and thanks for the thoughts . . . feeling a bit better today and should be clear that it was the main hospital staff - where the EC is done - rather than the fertility staff that were so appalling. I will make a verbal complaint to the head of fertility nurses (who is lovely) when I can get the motivation . . .

Not sure where this leads us now, though it led us to a couple of bottles of wine last night. Also as I have dual citizenship I think we will probably relocated to OZ for a while as it is cheaper there now that I have run out of NHS tries . . we were trying to avoid this . . . but we are grateful now that it is looking like it may be a longer path than expected.

I went and saw Nargund a few months ago for her opinion and had already decided to do 'mild' IVF if this cycle failed . . . I guess it just seems like a lot of effort to go to EG for one egg . . . . but I did respond consistently to low doses of gonal F when I was on IUI so it may be a better response. However after yesterday it may be that follicles without eggs were developing . . . .

I don't think anyone who hasn't done IVF can understand the relationship with grief, it continues to surprise me how tearful I am and then I am okay for an hour or so, and then I start crying out of the blue. I can only compare it to when one of my closest friends died at 21, a sense of lost potential . . .

Congrats on your eggs Mowmi, lets hope they divide with gusto, and hang in there LL remember with a good response you have around a 80% of achieving pregnancy with two - three cycles so it will happen . . . .

Sooty, I'm glad you have a plan b and one with better weather than here. I'm so sorry to hear you are weepy and sad - of course you are though, it's absolutely the way you should feel so that you can cope. Nothing like a good cry. Wishing you lots of luck for the next cycle, that will be the one!
Lottie poor embryos, I would burst into tears. Great that you have the two good transfers.
Mowmi, how exciting for you. Fingers crossed.
Oh must put DS to bed and get off the computer....

thanks ladies...will feel like i can relax a bit once i hear that at least some of them have fertilised and are doing there thing!
Sooty - i totally know what you mean about the unless you've been through it or facing it you have no idea how awful this process can be. My friends try to understand but none have them are in our boat and it's difficult to explain how hopeless this can sometimes feel. You know I'm a big fan of mrs nargund...
LL - I was gutted when I was told my remaining embryos had stopped developing and there would be none to freeze.
This thing sure does test you - let's hope it will be worth it all for us all very soon.

Just another old temp buddie sneaking in to send lottie loads of positive, sticky vibes for your 2 little buds. Soooo hoping and praying this will bring you the best Xmas present ever hon.

Lots of love and luck to all you AC girls

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Hi everyone hope you are all OK.
the doctor in Hungary has replied to my email and is suggesting the 22nd of January for my first appointment.
He has said that we can get most of the tests done when I come back for treatment, so long as I have the day three test results when I visit in January he will be happy. He said even said the sperm test could wait until DP gets across for the EC and fertilisation.
Now where do I get an FSH test done? I have had one already which is out of date, so I'm not sure what to do next.
What do you guys think about leaving the remaining test results until quite far down the line, does that sound OK to you?
I told him that my two day 21 tests were normal and so was DP's sperm test and that I have blocked/damaged tubes, and he seems happy with that.

Thank you Lottie. I will phone the GP. The timing isn't the best, hopefully I won't need the test during the public holiday.
We did discuss the possibility of going to a sperm bank, just for the test, but DP isn't sure that he wants to be contacted in years to come by other children.
I could be wrong, but the last clinic said they were more than happy with the last sperm test, so not feeling worried about pre-testing. I suppose if there has been a drastic change we could pay the extra for icsi? It's me that's burst though, not DP.
Not long to go now Lottie. How are you feeling?

evening ladies, rowing boat 22nd jan isn't far away at all. I would speak to your gp and explain where you're at and what you need. My gp was great and even prescribed most of the drugs for our first bash!
LL how you doing? keeping busy i hope!?
Sooty - how you bearing up?
Heard from the clinic this morning - all 7 fertilised! we're pencilled in for Friday for ET but if they are doing well they may wait for them to go to blasts and put back on sunday instead.
hope everyone is well x