MC Avengers - Chocolate cake anyone?

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I've started a new thread as the old one was full - hope everyone finds their way here OK.

Hello ladies, I am so sorry to hear everyone's having such a rough time at the moment especially wook, sussex and maz. Calsworld, hope you enjoyed the red wine and chinese... with regards to your endo do you mind me asking which stage endo you have and what age you coceived your first child?

It actually seems indecent to say that I got a BFP on Friday. Bit of a surprise as zero symptoms apart from having no appetite. Just been getting used to the idea, and feeling quite scared. Went out last night and didn't drink so it had beter be worth it - ie be a sticky one this time. Good luck to you all.

Hi Nauseous, congrats on your bfp! .

Chinese and wine was good, although overdid the vino a bit and paid for it yesterday .

Re endo, it was dx in 2001 as 'moderate', with it predominantly being located at the back of my womb and around my bowels (hook of something?). As I knew we were planning kids, I didn't want to go down the hormone treatment route they offered, so instead I tri-cycled the pill. I conceived DS in March 06, first month of trying and had no significant problems during pg.

When ttc second time, it took six months and I was just starting to wonder if the endo was causing a problem when I got my bfp. Unfortunatly it ended at 11 weeks and I'm currently waiting for my first AF following mc before ttc again.

How about you?

hi ladies
nauseous congrats on your BFP
to those who have sadly MC im so sorry lots of love and take care of yourselves xxx
well im on cd25 and i still havent ovulated me and DH are worn out with the sex for no good reason except to cover the bases just in case an egg does decide to show its face i doubt very much wether i will actually ov this cycle now and just want AF o arrive so i can start to obsess TTC a new cycle i have had my consultants appointment through to see mr farquharrson in LWH on 22nd sept has anyone had any experience of this consultant? iv heard he is quite good but some character refs would be good
ok enough from me hows everyone holding up?
xx ei xx

Congratulations nauseous! I think it's news like yours that keeps the rest of us going!

May I ask for some advice? What am I supposed to do after 2 mcs? Should I be going to my GP and asking for tests to be done, or do we just carry on ttc in hope? What did everyone else do? Thanks!

Eis - hope things become clearer for you soon. No consult experience I'm afraid.
Sussex - can't advise on protocol for 2 MCs. Hope you get some decent help though. Calsworld I was dignosed in 03, at age of 26, with moderate endo in pouch of douglas - sounds like hook... yep btw vagina and rectum... so probably the cause of wierd bowel movements ever since things got bad...(sorry TMI) I had laser surgery at dx point, and then took the Pill 'back to back' until last August. Had NO pain and no periods all that time it was pretty wonderful to be honest. I conceieved 5 mo later and had an MMC at 11.5 weeks(9.5 weeks). Can I ask roughly old you were when you were diagnosed?

I'm considering taking baby aspirin to ward off any MC - but I am stabing in the dark as I don't know the cause of the MC and with 1 they won't investigate of course. But I'd do anything not to have an MC again.. however I don't know if endo is classed as a bleeding disorder...I'm sure the GP will think I'm barmy but I couldn't carer less really, its worth asking their advice I reckon.

Nauseous, I was diagnosed aged 25 - pouch of douglas sounds spot on - same as you, agonising bowel movemnents in the lead up to a period and then just weird the rest of the time. I wasn't offered the surgery as it wasn't considered likely to affect my fertility given that at that time I was expecting to have kids within 2 years . I didn't have problems ttc first time round, I was just too busy partying and having fun and getting married and paying bills, as you do. I was a bit nervous about being able to conceive, but all my life I've had it in the back of my head that I might consider adopting so kind of thought one way or another we'd be OK.

With the guidelines of 3 mc's before investigation, its unlikely I'd get anyone to take me seriously on this line if the next pg (assuming I can get pg again) doesn't stick.

Calsworld sounds like we had similiar endo issues. Re your last point - do you mean that in those circs you wouldn't be able to adopt ... I'm not sure if I've I read that right...? (Sorry if I have)..

Hi again. Some of you will rememeber me from April when I had and ercp. We'll you're the first to know - due 17th May. Just 4 weeks... Sore boobs - well to be exact - very very sore bloated boobs! Will take anything. THis one feels good. May not post much as I want to keep calm about everything and not dwell on every niggle etc. Just thought I'd share my Happiness... and fears too!!

Lotsa luv xx

just popped into say congratulations to nauseaous and divedaisy. No news here. AF due anyday!

Congrats Divedaisy!! I know what yo mean about not wanting to focus on every niggle...

Nauseous, lol, no - it was a bit of a hurried post and it doesn't seem to make much sense now!

The reference to adoption was because I've never paid much attention to the endo, just kind of figured what would be, would be. It wasn't linked to the next paragraph...

Which was trying to say that whilst it is a remote possibility that endo / hormone issues could have caused the mc its unlikely that I would get any tests to check it until I'd been through 3 miscarriages.

Divedaisy congratulations and good luck

Right, I've learned my lesson - not to leave you girls too long, so much to catch up on
Sadminster Good luck for tomorrow, hope you get some answers and its not too distressing for you
Dustin So sorry to hear what you have been going through. How are you doing? How did it go today at the EPU?
Calsword Have you managed to convince DH yet? Thanks for asking, my counselling session went really well, I can't wait to go back on Weds, we did some relaxation and emotion therapy which really seamed to help Oh and you are so not a fraud
Joy Sorry she got you
Mistle How are you hun, feeling any better?
Sussex Pants! Can't believe you're back with us so soon, so sorry, would a hug help, or an even bigger crisp sandwich? You asked about referrals, can I ask how old you are? I have been referred to a consultant after 2 m/c's but that is because I am over 35. If you are under 35 then the protocol is usually 3 unfortunately. I knew one day I'd be glad I'm an old bird!
Wook Unfortunately the crap thing about all this is that just when you think you're doing OK, something comes along and hits you for six. Hope you're feeling a little better
Maz So sorry you had to join us. My AF after first m/c took about 5 weeks, doctor told me I could try straight away as they only tell you to wait for AF so that it's easier to date your pg. So if you feel ready go for it girl
Nauseous & DiveDaisy Congratulations, here's hoping for a long and sticky pg for you both
EI What a shit cycle for you hun, hope you're not too worn out just in case that egg comes along

I had my first day back at work last Friday, opened my drawer to be confronted with all my MS cures, biscuits, breadsticks etc, then had loads of sympathetic people gather round my desk, needless to say I spent the first half hr in the loo sobbing! After readjusting mascara I just got on with it but it was hard. Had my blood results back today, the doctor decided to pre-empt the consultant and do tests for ALP (I think that's the long name anti aph? something) Lupus and blood glucose. All came back clear and normal, part of me is relieved, part of me is disappointed that they couldn't say "oh yes you have such and such so if we give you so and so you'll be fine next time" and life will be smiley again. Maybe I'll have better luck with the consultant, although I'm convinced they will just say it's bad luck
Mollie apologises for long winded post but there was so much to catch up on and waves to anyone not mentioned

Been away over weekend so just dropping in to say -Sussex - am so sorry to hear your news. Hope you're enjoying a large g 'n' t with those crisp sandwiches. As moolie says, I think if you're over a certain age you can maybe get a referral after 2 mcs..certainly worth asking about.

Maz -sorry you've had to join too, although this is a great thread.

And HUGE congrats on the BFPs....

Hi there mollie. Yes, I am a very old bird indeed - am 41 next month. Are you on the ttc over 40 thread, too? Thanks for that - I'm going to leave it a week or two, then see my GP and ask for a referral.

Got nuchal scan date in the post today, cancelled it, had a good bawl, then waddled off to the crisp cupboard. A huge hug and a large bowl of Carte d'Or is no substitute, but it helps, thank you very much! [seriously overweight emoticon]

Ooh, thanks sparks! I must admit, that since mc2, I have hit the tequila sunrises big time .....

Hey everyone.

Sussex - I'm really sorry, I remeber getting my 20 week appointmet in the post after I mc at 14+, really upsetting. Here the protocol is referral after 3 losses before 8 weeks, 2 between 8-12 weeks or after 1 loss after 12 weeks. I think it's worth pushing though a GP can reffer at any point if they think it would be helpful for you.

Mollie - antiphospholipid syndrome (APS), I've been dignosed (kind of) on the basis of my hisory & a couple of slightly elevated antibody levels. I completely get the desire to have an answer but you have a better live birth rate if the you don't have it & the cause of your losses is unknown IYKWIM. Sucks though. Oh the lupus/anticardiolipin tests should be repeated 6 weeks after your first set.

Dustin how are you?

Well I think I ovulated around day 18 (+ve OPK, some EWCM). Have been really upset about it - dh was ill so no chance of anything happening - even though we weren't supposed to be trying this cycle. I am rapidly getting into a complete state about ttc so we've decided to have three cycles without charting & OPKs, lots of sex mid cycle, I need to lose some wight and then see where we stand. We have a holiday planned for January & we'll be passed Toby's due date (Christmas Eve sob) by then so hopefully the new year will bring better things.

Hello everyone, sorry so many are having a hard time.

I haven't been around for a few days as just wanted to take my mind off everything. I went to the EPU yesterday for my scan and I couldn't believe it- they found a heartbeat. I just burst into tears when they told me. I have another scan booked for the 19th Sept so I am keeping everything crossed it works out this time.

That's great Dustin

Graet news DUSTIN, you must be really pleased!

Dustin What fantastic news, I bet you're still in shock. We all thought the worst and then you turn up with such a wonderful outcome to your scan! Really really pleased for you wishing you a very sticky beanie
Sadminster Sorry to hear you've missed your opportunity this month, we've decided much the same thing, just see what happens for a couple of cycles try not to obsess stress about TTC (yeah right) Definately roll on 2009 as this year has been shite! Thanks for the info on the tests by the way
Sussex I feel guilty now that I might have mislead you I'm not on the 40+ TTC thread as 36 so not quite as wise and experienced as you just yet Same thing happened to me with letters after the event, both times, timing sucks doesn't it! I'm impressed with you hitting the hard stuff - Tequila - you go girl

mollie I'm very sorry! Nowhere have you misled me, I was just being gormless. Ooh, 36! Lucky you . Well, when I said 'hitting' the tequila sunrises, I actually meant having one and a half, then falling asleep on the sofa, dribbling, at 8pm.

dustin my God what wonderful news. I could burst into tears of joy for you. All the very, very best for the 19th.

sadminster you've got it in one, there. Can't wait for 2008 to be over in Old Spotsville. I think we'll press for an immediate referral, but apparently we have to go private, as we are lucky enough to have DS already.

Oh no sussexoldspot you should get a referral for mc investigation on the NHS regardless of number of living children you have (I've just been re-referred & we have two kids); it is only IVF (& in some places IUI) treatment for infertility that is rationed like that. If you needed it you (not you specifically) should even be referred for infertility investigation despite having children.

Don't let them fob you off - I've been treated in three different health authorities (& know loads of people who've had recurrent m/cs all over the country) - I've never seen referral being a problem if you have children.

Sussex LOL at the sofa dribble Definately agree with Sadminster you should not be treated differently just coz you already have a dc! That's terrible, I think you should keep pushing, and don't leave it too long in case there is a big waiting list, in fact do it today!!!

Well, thank God for Mumsnet and for you, sadminster and mollie. My GP is actually very kind, so maybe I misunderstood him, as I was in floods when I was there last and wasn't really listening properly. I think I remember asking for IVF, thinking somehow that if they can weed out the good ovums (ovae? ova?), we stand more of a chance! Spurred on by you, I have made an appt. with the doc for next week. We will sort this! We will!

Sussex Well done
Loving the positive mental attitude