MC Avengers - Chocolate cake anyone?

[mistlethrush]

I've started a new thread as the old one was full - hope everyone finds their way here OK.

Thanks LBOT. I was so hoping to stay on the knicker checkers anonymous thread, but there we go.
This is my third mc in 15 months. I am lucky as I have one DS who was three at the end of June. I am desperate to give him a brother or sister soon.
My mc was last Wednesday. I ended up with a D&C.
Anyone know if there is there any truth that a D&C gives you a "ripe" womb? I had a D&C just before conceiving DS so I am really hoping so.

LH - my Ds was 3 in April... I think he would (mostly) be a fantastic big brother - he loves babies - but we'll have to wait and see whether that will ever happen for him...

Oh this thread has my crying at the last dozen or so posts too. Good luck to you all and to your friend Queenie.

Haven't posted for months and months- completely hiding from the reality of 3 m/c in 7 months, unsupportive work and horrible hospital appt ended up with 3 months off sick and some councilling which has really helped, so thought I would pop my head around the door again.

Nothing has changed lots of supportive ladies with a friendly ear and I am crying just reading the posts.

Q1 - Your friend's story and kate and cece's responses have me in tears, particularly Kate's quote. As far as ttc, a friend of mine has recently found out she is pg even though she has PCOS. I have been upset, but she has been a great support through my challenges and I know she has struggled which somehow makes it easier. You sound like a great friend too so maybe that will make whatever happens in the future easier for your friend.

Hello lovely ladies, I'm so sorry for making you all cry! That quote struck me as particularly appropriate to the situation we have all found ourselves in, I hope it brought some comfort as well as the tears

teehee I'm so glad to hear you're feeling better. After 3mc in 7 months it's no wonder you needed some support, no-one should have to go through that . Are you trying again now?

ladyhelen so sorry you had to join us. We will all be here for you, through the good times and the really crap ones!

I have to confess ladies that I am a bit bored.... We're not going to start ttc again for a few months yet, which I know is absolutely the right decision, but I'm impatient, even though I know I'm not ready! (think I may be a crazy lady)
I haven't started taking my temperature again although I probably should. At least that might make me feel I am DOING something...
I'd so love a Spring 09 baby - but come to that I'd love any baby at all! Ah well. Will just have to try to be patient.
Am losing weight which is positive - 1.5 off this week according to fat club yesterday, only 4lbs to go til I'm back at goal, though I'd ideally like to lose 6 by 26th July. So if you ladies could please arrange that for me, that would be great. Ta

good on you kate for losing weight - certianly helps with the well being. are you still seeing your acupuncturist and taking herbs? i found that really helped with recovery -mental and physical as well.

queenie sorry about your friend. i know it is a tough decision which is ultimately yours, but i agree with the other ladies that you shouldnt put your own life on hold. having gone through my own journey of mcs and pg the only thing i "regret" is not starting ttc sooner. you should continue to ttc and what's meant to happen happens, and you dont want to be resentful to your friend down the road for having put things on hold for her feelings. good luck anyway

kate I have also started to try and lose weight in an attempt not to put my life on hold. I kept thinking no point might be pg soon but now I figure the fitter I am the better so I have returned to the gym.

I am thinking about trying again as I am less scared if things go wrong. IKWYM about being impatient. When my BF told me she was pg the thing that upset me most was feeling frustrated that I wasn't ready to try again but like you I knew I wasn't. You'll know when you're ready and will be glad you waited becauseyou will be ready to handle whatever may come your way.

Listen to me all sensible and together - will be a totally different story once I start counting cycle days and peeing on sticks no doubt.

What lovely posts, had me in tears also, but you ladies know just the right words
No major news here, another 28 day cycle, so happy about that. I'm sure it's the acupuncture, as I've never had 28 day cycles before and now I've had two. So fingers crossed it's all heading in a positive direction
Hope you're all having a great week

ladyhelen and teehee you have to be here, but it's the right place to share - and the ladies are so wise...

If anyone would like to join me I've just joined the ttc waiting room. There seem to be a few BFPs on there recently, and I'm hoping some of the baby dust will rub off . Frankly all the BDing we've been doing is light relief from living in the damp building site that is our flat at the moment... It's always nice to have a new project! Thought I had some cramping yesterday in a good implantation kind of way, but on reflection I think it was just wind . CD19 today...

scully, I'm sure the acupuncture makes a difference - I have more 28 day cycles now too, although sadly my acupuncturist is recovering from shingles at the moment so I haven't had an appointment for nearly two months. Is it very selfish of me to feel a little miffed that her illness is messing with my treatment programme? (yes, I know it is!)

I've just come back from some reflexology. I am convinced that following my last but one miscarriage, the sessions I had really helped me get pg again - I miscarried at 9 weeks mid Feb and had a BFP mid may. I am sure that it helped.

In one of my sessions, she thought she was picking up something with my thyroid gland. Following today's session and my mc last week, I've googled thyroid and miscarriage - there may be a link. I've got a GP appointment tomorrow. I doubt there is anything he can do, but I am def going to ask for a referral and tests to see if there is anything in this.

Has anyone else had this investigated?

LH - sorry, no I've not heard of it before. However, was told at the allergy clinic today that the mc I had last autumn might have resulted in the changes that mean I'm now allergic to paracetamol... Next thing is to find out whether there is any pain killer that I can have that doesn't cause a problem - so another fun 'exposure' test for me coming up!

Evening!

Ladyhelen there is def a link between thyroid problems and mc. It can also make it harder to conceive. I know this bc thyroid function is one of the tests my consultant has referred me for following my last mc. But the good news is that if you do have a thyroid issue, once it's stabilised with meds I'm pretty sure it ceases to be a problem as far as ttc/mc are concerned. So definitely a good thing to get checked out!

Hi bunny! HUGE congrats on your bfp - let's just hope it's 3rd time lucky for both of us! I'm not seeing my accupuncturist any more, or taking herbs, but I am doing a whole load of other crazy (and very expensive..) things. DH and I have been to a naturopathic clinic and have had loads of tests. We now both have individual tailored supplements to take and I really think it's making a difference. Not sure about DH though as I have serious doubts as to whether he's actually taking his supplements . I've been taking stuff since about the middle of may. My skin is clearer than it's been possibly ever (though it's certainly not perfect) and my last cycle was 31 days which is a pretty significant improvement - my first one post mc was 41 days and before I got pg the first time my cycles were 34-36 days and the equivalent cycle to this one after my first mc was the one I conceived when I didn't even OV til day 25... I'm hoping this month it may continue to get shorter but we'll see. In addition I'm having a full screen of hormone tests (saliva samples on 13 different days during my cycle) and an adrenal test. Am quite clearly crazy, but I just need to do everything I can to give us the best chance next time round. I will be having my tests at the clinic repeated in about a month and I'm going to leave it for them to tell me when they think I'm ready physically to try again and then see if we're ready mentally and take it from there! I hope it won't be too long though... Really sorry if that was long and boring!

Teehee I know exactly what you mean. As soon as we start trying again I suspect I will be a complete wreck! I'm actually thinking of having some hypnosis to get me through trying and then (hopefully)through those truly dreadful first weeks waiting for a scan/scans...

Hello to scully mistle and Daisyj

ladyhelen - yes, what Kate says is absolutely right. My cousin had thyroid cancer 10 years ago, followed by other minor health problems (not connected to the cancer). By the time she was finally ready to start trying she was 38. After nearly two years of trying with no success she had one (failed) cycle of IVF, then conceived naturally a few months later. They lost the baby very early on, but then conceived again two months later, and now, after a very difficult few months, things have, touch wood, settled down and she is 27 weeks. She'll be just 41 when she has the baby.

Anyway, the point I'm making in my rambling way is that it is possible to regulate thyroid-related conditions (including not having a thyroid gland at all(!) as in her case). And also I think hers is a great hope-giving story for us all.

Kate - I don't think you're crazy. It's so important to do all the things that make you feel as though you are giving yourself the best chance possible for a successful pregnancy, as you rightly say. No point it driving yourself mad, of course, but you sound as though it's doing you good to be taking all the steps you are.

Have a lovely day, everyone. x

Don't know what I'm doing in terms of keeping myself OK for pregnancy... Havn't been having vits - hasn't really seemed to be any point. But then I can see myself kicking myself if I do get a bfp - so I suppose that I had better start again.

Also been having problems that I can't use any pain killers - apart from alcohol {} - hopefully will get this sorted soon and find something I might be able to take when needed... Definitely not paracetamol though, which could be interesting....

ladyh - just though I'd add this information - just cut and pasted my cousin's email below for you - which just confirms what Kate said really.

Re thyroid and miscarriage - if you have got thyroid problems, any
impact on ability to get pregnant or stay pregnant, according to what
I've been told, depends on whether your thyroid is properly
controlled. Eg with me, they were always happy with my readings and
therefore it was a non-issue. When I miscarried I asked if it could
have been because I forgot to take my thyroxine one day and the
doctor said absolutely not. As my doctor said, the baby is a very effective parasite and will take everything it needs leaving me deficient if necessary.

If the readings are ok, then the doctors will say it's not a factor. Even when I was convinced for ages years ago that my spotting and short cyles were to do with my thyroid, no one would have it. Now I'm not saying that doesn't seem strange to me cos it does. It's really hard to believe that the weren't connected, but that was the feedback I got. Also worth remembering that my situation is weirdly more simple. Since I have no thyroid at all, it's simpler for them to be sure I'm getting the right dose of replacement therapy.

That's all I know.

Please wish her luck from me.

Hope that helps - I thought I'd share it anyway, in case anyone else is looking for this kind of information...

Thanks daisyj. I hope the rest of your cousins pregnancy goes smoothly.

I saw my GP yesterday who is going to refer me to a local specialist in recurrent miscarriage. Its someone called Judith Moore at City Hosptial in Nottingham. I beleive she is also affiliated to the Miscarraige Association.

I mentionned the thryoid question to the GP. He will let the specialist investigate this if need be and he said that if my cycles were regular (which they were - remains to be seen if they will be again - AF awaited following d&c last week) then a thryoid issue is unlikley to be a problem.

Am about to start taking pregnacare "conception" range, Mistlethrush. Vits can't hurt and I will take all the help I can get to get that next BFP. Like you, am perhaps using the old vino as a painkiller and I know it will come in useful when the BDing starts again. Ten days on from the mc, I can't say the prospect of the BDing actually fills me with joy. Funny that as before the mc, sex was off the menu ( too worried and told not to by the EPU in the past in the early weeks) and I was gagging for a bit of rumpy pumpy. Now, god, I'm dreading it, but with out a bit of BDing there will be no baby. Back on the job soon then.

On the subject of the vits, my acupuncturist recommended the Zita West range. They are £18 a pop for a bottle (she gets them for me, so I think that might be a bit of a discount) and you take three a day so they only last a month (so basically they are pretty expensive). I was taking the Pregnacare ones before, but I'm willing to try anything for a while if someone I trust tells me they're better - desperate time 'n' all!

Hellllooooooo! Is there anybody out there? Have you all been abducted by aliens over the weekend...?

I have carrot cake with sour cream frosting if anyone's about... I'll just go and put the kettle on.

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Yummy that sounds ideal. Just right for now, after my rather abstemious breakfast. Back on the straight and narrow after a little too much icecream and clotted cream with strawberries in Devon.

Friend at work has just announced she's 15wks... and secretary has had her baby close to my ed...

mistle - you definitely deserve some of Kate's cake ...

... and so do I .

Thanks, kate, the aliens' cake wasn't nearly as good. They dropped me back home last night, but I was too tired to go online .

For today's offering: fresh fruit smoothies, made by moi, raspberries, mango, blueberries, apple juice and strawberry frozen yoghurt. Guilt free and totally delicious!

Mistle, I have a crafty shot of vodka for yours after the day you've been having. Can totally sympathise, a friend who's coming to stay this weekend just told me his wife won't be drinking as she's "on a health kick" ... Am ashamed to say I thought bugger it, can't stand worrying about whether she is or she isn't for the next few days, then being braced for the big announcement all evening so I asked if she's "got one in the oven then?" Both subtle and classy I'm sure you'll agree But it seems they're still at the get-in-shape-in-order-to-start-ttc stage rather than actually ttc yet. PHEW! [selfish cow emoticon]

Daisyj sorry those naughty aliens have tired you out, hope you're feeling better today

kate 'funny' how going through the kind of experience you have makes you just want to cut the crap... Good for you!

Have tried to be healthy today after eating rubbish for the past couple of days, but gave in and had Pret chocolate brownie and popcorn at 4.00. I've been very peckish the last couple of days... I'd like to think it's a 'sign', but I think it's just a sign of greed.

V. hard to stay healthy when have no kitchen. I'm sure I've whinged about this on here before, but in case not, OUR HOUSE IS A BUILDING SITE AND IT'S DRIVING ME MAD! And.... relax

daisy I know exactly how you feel.
The dust.
My god the dust.
Will it ever end?!?!?
(Answer: possibly not, if we don't get our arses into gear ) When's yours meant to be finished? We finally moved in about a month ago, now we're hoping for 'finished by christmas'... Oh the optimism...

Know what you mean - we have only done our kitchen which was bad enough. Don't think that helped the stress of getting over m/c.

And the dust killed our hoover.

It's done enough to use (when oh when will the rest be done - probably have time to have 10 kids by then !)

I promise you it will be worth it. I now sit in my kitchen as much as possible and have mastered the art of baking with my new oven. Not good for the waistline, so here are some guilt free virtual pastel iced cupcakes - they look pretty and taste fab !

Glad to see people around again - was starting to think I was stuck in a timewarp.

I'm due to start work on Monday after 3 months off sick - v/scared!

kate your nutritional regime is not too OTT. you've gotta do what you feel is right to feel better. and that's a personal thing. i have been drinking the vilest herbs from my acupuncturist and letting her stick needles in me when i have a needle phobia. whatever it takes. anyway, when i had my chemical pg last mth, it was really upsetting as i thought i was on this health kick and never felt better healthwise and i did loads of research. i suspected that i had a short luteal phase (as did my acupuncturist) as she made me temp. long of the short is that i read somewhere that taking an extra 50-100mg of vit b6 really helps sort out the low progesterone problem (without resortng to chemical means). i asked my gp and she said it was no harm. so i started taking it right away. i partly think that's why this one is sticking (so far). fingers crossed anyway. but i thought i'd share this on this thread in case it's relevant to anyone else. (ps i take it on top my pregnacare vits).

hope you gals are doing well... and enjoying the cakes!