TTC after chemical pregnancy

[LucyCL]

I had a MC this Jan , 6 weeks and 1 day. Then I had a CP last Tuesday, 4 weeks and 6 days. I finally stopped bleeding today. Two pregnancies and two MCs so far.

I would like to know what your ttc experiences were like after CP. I admit I felt so lost when I saw the line getting fainter and I have been feeling very low and anxious for the last 7 days. However it is not healthy and it is time to be positive! So, I will be trying again this month. That is why I decided to start this thread.

@LucyCL thank you for updating me! It’s been super interesting to read. I had a wonderful wedding and it took my mind of the whole TTC which was great!

im sorry you haven’t got your BFP yet but it’s still early! Could you wait until 14dpo to take on? Of course, easier said than done!

I asked my mum about miscarriages as well and she said the same thing. Had to go to the hospital to get a blood test to find out so she had no idea until further along. My other in law has had 1 MC though which was (not in a mean way) nice to hear as it’s a lonely journey.

how long is your LP? Apologies if I’ve asked before but do you roughly know when your AF is due? Or is it a guessing game?

I am currently CD41 and 10dpo! No sign of AF but have had a few AF like bellyaches etc (also happened last cycle) so I’m holding out a small piece of hope! I’m not sure when I’ll test now. My thought was 12dpo but I may wait until 14!

also remember LH increases both before AF and a BFP!

i know what you mean about just wanting AF to come because then you have your answers. I really hope you do get your BFP though ❤️ what a crazy journey! But even if you don’t, hopefully your body has reset itself and you’re cycles are back to normal this cycle!

@GreenPickle I am glad that you had a great wedding and had a chance not to think about ttc!!
The data I collected about previous cycles before this Jan was very inconsistent. So the only "normal" cycle with full data is the first cycle after MC. I didn't BD and waited for my AF. Based on this, I say my luteal phase lasts for 12 days.
Today is CD34 and 12 dpo, I had the most concentrated FMU of this cycle because I wanted to know when I am about to get AF.
Mira chart shows that my pdg has dropped again in one day and my BBT has dropped a bit. I did a FR just to be sure it was BFN. I am still waiting for my today's RHR to come up on my apple watch.
Thanks to today's technology and now I know where I am at this post CP cycle. I also have learnt a lesson on not being diligent enough to collect consistent data which has caused unnecessary inaccuracy and anxiety to predict pregnancy. From now on, I should strictly stick to making sure the consistency and accuracy of the collected data is good.
I expect to have AF either tonight or tomorrow morning. If still no AF, I will do a FR pregnancy test on 14 dpo. : )
For next cycle, I do have plans to monitor my progress.
CD1-3: I will do a female hormone level to get the baseline levels
CD5: That is when I usually stop bleeding and will do a transvaginal ultrasound to make sure everything is fine with my uterus. Because from 3 dpo until 9 dpo I did feel dull ache on the right side of the uterus below belly bottom for a few times before I got a BFP (10 dpo) which ended up with a CP. I need to get it checked.

I will keep using LH strips, Proov pdg strips, Mira chart, CB fertility monitor, BBT and RHT (from the apple watch series 9) to monitor the whole cycle. I shall drink little or no liquid after 6 p.m.

Of course, I will continue to update my findings every day. This might be useful for people who experience the same/similar thing in the future. Who knows? 😃
Although I had a MC before this CP, I have to admit that I had a much easier time with the first cycle after my 1st MC than this cycle after my 1st CP.
1st MC: I ovulated on CD20 and got AF on CD 31
1st CP: I ovulated on CD22 and expect to get AF on CD34/35

In conclusion, this post CP cycle is way more tricky although I only had a small amount of hcg to begin with! I don't like CPs...

I hope you will a get a BFP when you test! 💖

I just had a useful discovery: checking the cervix position.
Two days ago I checked my cervix and its position was average.
Currently my cervix position is low based on the illustration below.
So it must be really close to AF and now I have gained a new skill on determining the stages of the menstrual cycle.

Here is what I have found:
During menstrual bleeding, the cervix is normally low and hard, and slightly open to allow the blood to flow out. It feels like the tip of your nose. After your period stops, the cervix remains low and hard and the opening to the uterus (uterine is) remains closed.

As you approach ovulation, the cervix rises up to the top of the vagina and becomes softer and moister. At the height of ovulation, your cervical position makes the most fertile. The cervix feels more like your lips than your nose, and the uterine is open to allow sperm to enter.

Sometimes the cervix seems to disappear, which just means it has become so soft that it blends in with the vaginal walls and rises so high that the finger cannot touch it. This is known as SHOW: soft, high, open, and wet. This is the optimal time to have sex to achieve pregnancy.

Once ovulation occurs, the cervix drops lower and becomes more firm, once again feeling like the tip of your nose. The opening to the uterus will become tightly closed. This can happen immediately after ovulation, or may take several hours to several days.

When pregnancy occurs, the cervix will rise up and become soft, yet the uterine is will remain tightly closed. This occurs at different times for different people– as early as 12 days after ovulation or well after the pregnancy has been confirmed by a home pregnancy test or doctor.

I will share the RHR chart here.
After 4 days of using it and today is the 5th day, I can safely say that 65 BPM is my baseline RHR. I don't know why today's RHR has increased to 68 BPM. It will be definitely interesting to observe how it is going to change daily. : )
Also I need 1 more night to have the BBT/ Wrist temperature available from my Apple watch!😅

I have an Apple Watch. I do love the features - it told me that my RHR had changed the day after I got a positive test, and it immediately changed back when tests started getting fainter - but the BBT is a bit hit and miss for me. Possibly because I’m still up in the night a fair amount. You do have to remember to turn sleep mode off as soon as you wake and before you move, it doesn’t keep any “older” takes from the night, which is a bit annoying!

The general opinion is that the tempdrop is a lot more accurate for BBT but so far I’ve stuck with my watch as I already have it, and I wear it anyway. I may upgrade if I’m not pregnant again soon, and compare the two!

Thanks for sharing all your data, it’s been really interesting to read.

@LucyCL wow! Super interesting! Are you getting any usual AF symptoms? I can normally tell mine is coming 2-3 days before 😫

please update any findings 🙏 I love reading about it!

the cervix thing is also interesting! My nails are long and don’t really know what I’m feeling for and it makes me uncomfortable with things up there (ironically 😂)… unless it’s a willy hehe!

the Apple Watch thing is interesting as well - let me know if it matches up with your BBT at all (or if it’s even close).

my CM is still drying in my underwear and has picked up over the last few days but not sure if that’s good or bad 😰 I’m hoping for the best and expecting the worst this cycle!

honestly too afraid to test 😫 might wait until 14dpo now.

hopefully your AF doesn’t arrive 🙏 but if it does, your next cycle will be on track with ovulation after your body resets itself! I have also heard that sperm is stronger if you don’t have sex everyday but not sure if that’s a myth!

we got this 💪

@YouveGotAFastCar do you mean upgrade your Apple Watch? I don’t do BBT as I think it would stress me out but thinking of getting an Apple Watch anyway!

does RHR go up during pregnancy?

hope all goes well for you this cycle ❤️ it’s a lonely journey for sure so please be kind to yourself no matter what happens!

Wow, that is interesting. The apple watch series 9 has the wrist temperature so I wonder if it is the same as BBT?
Also I realised that my RHR dropped further today. Is that normal? If so, which figure should I take? During lunch time, it was 68 and now it is 60.
I set a schedule on my apple watch which turns on the sleep mode between 22:30 and 7:00 then it is normal mode. It is automatic.
I look forward to finding out the relationship between BBT and RHR.
@GreenPickle Also I have found this and they talk about tracking the cycle using RHR. You might find it useful and interesting!
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/4122562-Tracking-your-cycle-and-possible-BFP-using-RHR-part-5

Sadly I don't get any AF symptoms 😅however I can still see white mark of dried up CM in my underwear like you.
After lunch I did feel really wet down there suddenly and that made me thought that AF was here. I quickly went to the bathroom to wipe myself, there was nothing but some wet clear discharge (well, I couldn't say it was clear or creamy because the tissue was white too, haha) I thought I was out of the woods and got really excited but here I am, still in this cycle. 😂

I have found so many comments online saying their RHR went up steadily during pregnancy so it must be true. I do look forward to finding it out myself though! 😊

Also I found this thread - there are some lovely ladies just like us who are currently updating their TTC experience after their CPs.
Reading their comments has been really useful for me. It gives me hope and valuable information.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/5018692-ttc-after-chemical-anyone-with-me?page=1

A positive thought of the day:
Although I suffered from CP this cycle, I do want to turn this experience into an interesting experiment which is collecting data to find out more about our body. That is me trying to be positive instead of grieving for my pregnancy losses. I am still hopeful and look forward to the TTC journey.

Tracking your cycle and possible BFP using RHR
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/4637539-tracking-your-cycle-and-possible-bfp-using-rhr

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/3959583-Tracking-your-cycle-and-possible-BFP-using-RHR-part-2

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/3998010-Tracking-your-cycle-and-possible-BFP-using-RHR-part-3

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/4050675-Tracking-your-cycle-and-possible-BFP-using-RHR-part-4

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/4122562-Tracking-your-cycle-and-possible-BFP-using-RHR-part-5

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/4250725-Tracking-your-cycle-and-possible-BFP-using-RHR-part-6

@LucyCL is the CM a good sign? I have seen conflicting things about CM in terms of AF vs BFP as everyone is so different!

yes I have seen that thread about CPs! It’s good to see people have successful pregnancies so soon after a CP/MC. Although, whilst you’re in it, it does seem so far away and impossible.

good idea about the experiment stuff. how is the data looking data? Is your LH going up or staying down?

and did your watch give you numbers on your temp? Would be interesting to see how close it is to BBT!

Will take a look at those RHR threads as well so thank you!

im away at the moment so no LH testing for me! Currently 11dpo and CD42. I may test 12dpo (tomorrow) or 14dpo (Thursday). Just going to see how I feel!

When the CM is watery and wet, that means there is a rise in estrogen. However based on Mira chart, there is a further drop in pdg and a slight drop in E3G. In my case, AF will be due tonight or tomorrow morning (I think).
My LH level went down slightly however there has been a slight and steady increase in LH since it reached the bottom after ovulation.
I finally have the data of wrist temperature. It doesn't tell me the extact number however the deviation will be useful for me in the future.
RHR: As AF is so close, I am gradually getting my true RHR which is 60 at the moment so I wonder if it will drop further when AF is here. 😆I also think that it might be better to wait until afternoon to establish the RHR of the day.
My BBT remains elevated however based on the data I collected this morning, I predict that there will be a bog drop tomorrow morning.
Would be great to collect all the baseline levels when AF is here then I can use them to monitor my health and potential ovulation and future pregnancy.
Good luck testing tomorrow!@💝

@GreenPickle Also the baseline from the wrist temperature on apple watch: I wonder if it will be readjusted again when AF is here. Because my current BBT is elevated which doesn't reflect the true BBT/baseline when AF is due.

It might be useful for people who just started to track or just had a MC and don't know what is happening with their body and the cycle.

Currently I am using Health app with apple watch, Premom, Mira, Proov and Flo.

Health app and apple watch: RHR, wrist temperature
Premon: LH strips, BBT recording
Mira: female hormone levels
Proov: checking if ovulation happens
Flo: Extra information about CM and other interesting facts of what is going on inside our body each day

I also found this about what is happening with our cervix during the whole menstrual cycle. Really interesting!
https://www.beautifulcervix.com/project_category/entire-cycle/

I find it useful however symptom spotting doesn't help based on my experience. It might work for others though.
https://www.countdowntopregnancy.com/pregnancy-test/

I just got AF!!! I am no longer in the limbo of the post CP cycle!! I am now free!! I cannot wait to see what is going to happen in this new cycle!😀 This cycle is going to be a normal one! So today is officially CD1 for me! I am so happy and RELIEVED!!!

I started a thread because I wonder if seed cycling works.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conception/5089486-does-the-seed-cycling-really-work?reply=135777137

@LucyCL is oestrogen rising a good or bad thing? I don’t know anything about anything 😂 my CM is quite watery (keep thinking it’s AF) but also still in my underwear. No signs of AF yet that I can see but my cycle is so messed up it might just turn up at this point without warning.

looking at the charts is super helpful. So interested in the Apple Watch stuff! Just need to sort myself out and buy one!

so does the BBT match your Apple Watch? Or does your Apple Watch still need more data to collect?

symptom spotting is a weird one I think because until implantation, everything is just due to rising progesterone and nothing to do with pregnancy. It still doesn’t stop me from writing everything down though.

bittersweet about AF but I know how you feel because there’s no guesswork now and such a relief to start this cycle anew!

Would this be CD1 for you?

If oestrogen is rising towards the end of the cycle with increasing Progesterone, that is a good thing because it is very likely that you are pregnant. They always increase together at the early stage of pregnancy. In your case, I really hope it is caused by pregnancy. 😊However we don't have sufficient data to tell if it is the case so you just have to wait until tomorrow when you do the test!

When you buy an apple watch, we could compare each other's RHR and wrist temperature charts together if you want.
BBT doesn't match my decreasing RHR and wrist temperature if you compare them day by day. However if you look at the big picture, I can say there is a small link between them. My BBT did keep dropping from 8 DPO which matches with a drop in RHR and the deviation of wrist temperature.
After using the apple watch for 5 days, I feel like the apple watch will provide more accurate data because BBT is reliable however it also can be affected by so many factors!
We can treat BBT as a second opinion.😄
Symptom spotting can sometimes be useful however they don't provide me any figures or reliable data so I suggest that you rely less on it. Also each pregnancy is different because you have different symptoms every time.
To be honest, if I got a BFP today or tomorrow morning, that would be late implantation. I have read that it associates with early miscarriages. I absolutely have no intension to scare you however when AF arrived, I was also relieved for this reason.
It is bittersweet when AF arrived but I did get pregnant the second cycle after my 1st MC. So, this cycle will be the second cycle after my 1st CP.
Today is CD1 for me.

I really hope you will get a BFP tomorrow with all my heart! 💖

@GreenPickle My OH and I are going to eat pizzas tonight to celebrate the arrival of AF after the post CP cycle because tomato sauce/paste on the pizzas look like blood. Hahahaha😂

@LucyCL ok thst’s good to know! Yes, no PDG data from me so no idea where that’s at! Last cycle, it looked like I potentially had a 10/11/12 day LP and today would be day 11 of that so AF potentially due in 2 days but it’s all just guesswork as my cycle has been massively thrown off!

so from 8dpo, could that be a telltale sign you were not pregnant in hindsight?

all good info! I have heard that implantation occurs around 6-12dpo with 9 being the most common (and last cycle, that seemed about right for me), but again… weird cycle! Especially with the super late ovulation!

im still not sure if I will test! I think im just putting it off because I’d rather not know and just wait to see if AF comes! Will keep an eye on my CM today and see if any spotting occurs because then I’ll know I’m deffo not pregnant!

Love that you are getting pizza - right on theme 😂 make this moment a positive in some way 🥰❤️ new cycle! You got it!