Bus 5-ttc for what feels like an eternity, so well and truly in the donkey club. No judgement here, just well wishes and advice on endo/ivf/MFI etc.

[becarefuloutthere]

Our regular riders on the donkey train 🚂
@Annny27 29, no1 since June 19
@RobinRose 27, no1 since Oct 2019
@Motherofkittens28 39 no 1 since aug19
@Yutes 34 no1 since aug19
@Crazydoglady123 32 pregnant 🥳
@Marvellouslymadmum 42 no3 since April 18
@Tofu35 35 no1 since sep19
@Hayley19835 38 no1 oct18
@Narwhal88 32, no1 since jun19
@Theawkwardblonde pregnant 🥳
@CreativeThinkerTequilaDrinker 15 months ttc ivf in June, ov 8th April
@2020mission pregnant 🥳
@Sjhigs 37 no1 since sep18 ivf consult mid April
@crazycatlady1981 39 no1 since Oct18, ivf in May
@PeanutButterBrownies
@Juno231 33 no1 since jan20
@clolo 31 no1 since jun19
@Aimzie 28 no1 4 years NTNP 22 months ttc
@VenusStarr 37 no 1 since nov17 ivf started in May!
@paintfairy ttc no 1
@polejunkie
@MIW0

@becarefuloutthere aww thanks for the info

@crazycatlady1981 I'm self employed too a month with no wages 🙈🙈🙈 I needed the break anyway x

It seems my ovulation is going to be late on Letrozole! I had a scan on Friday that showed a dominant follicle a few days off ready to ovulate . I usually ovulate on day 17 which is tomorrow, but getting nothing on LH tests. The whole idea was to bring my ovulation forward but the opposite seems to have happened 😬

@CycleGirl20 that's annoying! Hope you figure out what's happening! No chance you could have missed ovulation? I guess it's definitely coming as they could see a dominant follicle

Chomping my way through brazil nuts (man they're bland, feel like I chew them for ages haha), got a hot water bottle, right little treat hehe, come on eggs

@polejunkie I think it is just late. There is still time for a late LH surge this pm too. I feel really sick today for some reason. I think it's the awkwardly placed mouth ulcer I have and really bad night's sleep. But now I'm like... Hmm maybe I'm pregnant and the 4 days of solid bleeding was implantation bleeding 😂 as if.

It sounds like you're well into your meds now. I've not managed to get that far yet so don't 100% understand the process. How are you getting on with it?

@CycleGirl20 bless you, we've all been there thinking about some miraculous pregnancy - if only!! It'll come, bloody annoying though.
Getting on ok thanks, other than the obvious anxiety about something not working or no eggs etc. I'm doing alright, maybe half way through stims now, but I found down regging dragged as I'm on long protocol which really is long!!

@becarefuloutthere thanks for the new thread lovely. How you getting on? Any symptoms yet?

@polejunkie yeah I think so too. I am a bit worried about vomiting but it is what is it!
I was like that with not being able to plan but it'll soon come round and you can sort yourself then. It'll all be super quick too!
I'm sure it's going fine, it's just so hard to know until you get to that scan. I was long protocol too.
@Theawkwardblonde no probs, yes nausea and cramps. Seem to feel better once I eat. U ok?

Thanks for new thread @becarefuloutthere

@CycleGirl20 @thislittlebird @Elakiya @Marvellouslymadmum I think we're all made in different shapes and sizes. I'm 5ft 2ins and normal BMI range at 24. I've been anywhere as low as 17 up to what I am now as an adult but I think I was as high as 30 as a kid. My top half is a size 14 and my bottom is a size 10-12. I'm always told I'm apple shaped, which I hate, my top half and bottom half look like they belong to completely different people! My waist to hip ratio is in the obese range no matter what size I am because of my body shape and I was born with this body shape so there's nothing I can do to change it. I've always had these great long legs and a super squashed up torso - i look like humpty dumpy, which was one of my many awful nock names as a kid, but now I have a set of 36 EE s that apparently make up more than half a stone of the 10 stone in total that I currently am! I've eaten a low carb, whole food diet with intermittent fasting for over 5 years now and it's made diddly squat difference. When I was diagnosed with T2Diabetes in February last year I was put on 2000mg metformin per day and I went on an 800 kcal diet. I lost 5 kg but as soon as I increased back up to 1500 kcal (still low carb veggies, fish & meat), I gained it all back! I'm active too, so thats not the issue. I am so frustrated by it as I feel like I literally do everything I can! The only way to get any results is to literally stop eating and that's jist not sustainable! I feel quite upset by it tbh cause I just feel like a hideous failure most of the time.

@polejunkie thanks. It is frustrating right! Glad you're half way. It must be quite exciting too! Not long now?

@MIW01 that's no annoying at 1500 cals. I listened to an audiobook with a doctor talking about how he thinks we eat too much omega 6 (nuts, seeds, vegetable oils like sunflower and rapeseed which are in everything) and not enough omega 3 (olive oil, oily fish). He was saying the omega 6 blocks the omega 3 and can mess up your metabolism. I managed to lose a load of weight with some pretty extensive intermittent fasting and then slowly regained it when I stopped being so controlled with it. Now I just wish I'd not listed to anyone who said I should lose weight when my BMI was 26 and I looked pretty good at it 😭

Thanks @becarefuloutthere @crazycatlady1981 my scan was great and the nurse was so lovely, no problems, triple layer and 8.7mm so ready for transfer, booked for next Tuesday, start progesterone on Thursday night.
Is it reassuring to feel sick @becarefuloutthere ? I hope it's not too bad for you!
@crazycatlady1981 @polejunkie I only had 1 scan in the end on day 7 as I triggered that evening! I still think I should have stimmed a bit longer though, I think I would have got more eggs. It does vary so much though. I had 2 weeks off for stims, EC and transfer as I didn't want to have to keep booking last min leave and have the stress of work. This time for FET I only have time off for scans, blood test next Monday and day of and day after transfer as it's much easier to plan a FET.

Found the new thread! @CycleGirl20 I'm in probably hopeless tww, I ovulate anywhere from cd20 to 28, now on a 35 day cycle waiting for af to start first lot of letrozole too. Its weird, it seems to be a low dose but they're not going to scan me, said only 8-10% chance of multiples and they don't think im ovulating most of time. I feel differently. Oh only wants one kid too I want more so might be a good thing getting a bogof/twins!
@MIW01 BMI not great for me being short either the bmj are looking at another way of assessing I think.

@Narwhal88 fingers are crossed for you! How are you feeling about it? Seems so much more straightforward for FET, I know it’s still emotional as hell - glad you’re moving forward🤞🏼

@polejunkie I'm feeling ok thanks, anxious about it not working again and feel my expectations are low to protect myself even though I keep telling myself it won't change the result. I'm not looking forward to the tww as it's just torture!

@Narwhal88 I feel you, we’ll be here during the tww, it’s so hard with it being completely out of your hands isn’t it x

@kerrym87 bogof twins 😂. I'm really confused about where my ovulation has gone! Still getting blank opks so ovulation tomorrow seems unlikely now

Now I'm wondering if I ovulated already before I had my scan as I had some higher OPKs. Does anyone know, what happens to your other follicles after ovulation? Could I have a 14mm follicle post ovulation?

@Narwhal88 yay!! Mine was triple layered too so that's great 😃 good luck for next week! Are you on pessaries for progesterone? Yeah it is reassuring to feel sick, just hope it doesn't change into vomiting in weeks to come 🙈
@kerrym87 sorry Kerry, missed you off! Glad you found us 😊
So would you be short protocol then?
@CycleGirl20 ooh good question, not sure. Could you ask the clinic tomorrow?

@CycleGirl20 the non-dominant ones just wither and die I think, and a new crop grow the following month. I read about this recently because I was worried I’d have no eggs left after ivf 😂😭

@MIW01 really frustrating about the 1500. I definitely notice I gain more easily as I age. I find it super slow to lose and I think it doesn’t help when you don’t have a great deal to lose as such. Very slow going.

Maybe I haven't ovulated yet then. I was seeing higher OPKs but I didn't check except first thing until day 14+. I had a 14mm follicle on day 14 so it must just be late ovulation. Do you remember where you read about it @thislittlebird. I've not got a clinic to ask @becarefuloutthere. Just a private GP doing the scans

@CycleGirl20 ah I see. They should know tho if you're able to call them up or send an email. I think @thislittlebird is right tho in that they just die away and new ones come along each month.

@becarefuloutthere yes you're right. I will ask them. I'm rather tired so failed to translate from clinic to the doctor I'm using this month 😅

It was in here @CycleGirl20
hertsandessexfertility.com/do-you-know-how-many-eggs-are-left-in-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-ovarian-reserve-and-fertility/

Useful to know because it’s this sort of thing you’re never taught. Also talks about how 3 or 4 in 10 will be born with more in reserve and how they drop off over time.

It mentions a delayed menopause for women with lots and I swear to god if I end up having a later menopause after being terrified for years by my mother claiming she had an early menopause we’re gonna have words lmao

@CycleGirl20 we've not eaten vegetable oils for ages apart from eating out or takeaway, which is rare and I don't eat much in the way of ultra processed foods anyway. @kerrym87 @thislittlebird It is so infuriating that my body requires so little food. I haven't found a sustainable way to eat that little food without feeling utterly miserable.

Good luck @Narwhal88

Hello, please can I join you?
I’m 43 and a bit, single, had IVF in Sep, collected 16 eggs, 14 fertilised and 8 made it to day 5. One transferred but no heartbeat at 8 week scan, miscarriage happened end of Nov after stopping the progesterone, and a week after an ambulance ride to A&E with a ruptured ovarian cyst. Had two of the frozen ones transferred in Feb, no drugs, had one heartbeat at 6+5 but was gone by 8+1. Miscarriage started about a week later and I ended up in hospital for 2 nights at Easter with a haemorrhage.
Currently on CD3 and will be trying again with another 2 this month, with progesterone and low dose aspirin.