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VixFromThe6ix · 28/05/2021 18:19

New thread! I dunno how to tag everyone from the other thread 🤣

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ElsieG3m · 17/06/2021 11:07

@GuessHowMuch my GP just called re some swabs I had done so I asked her about my prolapse and she said categorically that the type of prolapse I have absolutely can't cause issues conceiving so I feel completely reassured and won't be doing any more than my exercises on it. If you feel you can then maybe you could ask your GP or gynae. I think it has to be pretty severe to affect fertility so hopefully that's not what you have from the sounds of it 😊🤞🏻

GuessHowMuch · 17/06/2021 11:12

Oh sorry I’ve worried you @ElsieG3m - please don’t be worried as I’m sure there’s loads of people who conceive without issues with a prolapse. It could also just be uterine prolapse that’s an issue - I don’t want to Google it again because I’m happy with my head in the sand for a bit longer, but I think the Googling I did months ago suggested any problem would be sperm finding it harder to get to the egg with a uterine prolapse. Like I say, I haven’t researched thoroughly and it might all be totally fine! Mine is not awful either; I don’t leak when walking but sneezing/laughing/running/jumping etc are definitely risky! 😬

I’ve not heard of it @AnxiousWannabe - what does it do?

GuessHowMuch · 17/06/2021 11:13

Hahah! Cross post @ElsieG3m! Glad you’ve had reassurance. Hopefully mine will be the same given it’s not horrendous.

ElsieG3m · 17/06/2021 11:19

@GuessHowMuch oh wow well yours is better than mine then because I leak every step I take! I think on that basis you'll be totally fine! But absolutely don't take my word for it and get checked by a doc if you're worried x

Misty84 · 17/06/2021 12:54

Feeling so low today ladies. CD3, it all feels hopeless. Why won’t my body just work?!? It’s so frustrating and upsetting.

AnxiousWannabe · 17/06/2021 13:11

@Misty84
I feel you. My af is due in a few days. I've been depressed and wondering the same too. I don't know if it's the same for you, but I feel very much alone in this journey. I am sorry you are frustrated and whoever that says relax and things will happen probably has not gone through TTC.

If it helps - sometimes I think of a new cycle as ..hey another chance to try again. And you know how they count the follicular phase as the first two weeks of pregnancy? I told myself I would need to take better care during the follicular phase so the egg will be good too.

@GuessHowMuch
It's to induce ovulation - even if you are ovulating apparently it helps too . Just want to know if anyone has tried that

Misty84 · 17/06/2021 13:30

Aww thank you @AnxiousWannabe. It’s so hard. I’m really dreading IVF (mainly due to the cost- suddenly shit is gonna get very real). And worries about multiple cycles due to my very low amh. It’s just really scary and I was really praying I could pregnant naturally beforehand. But obviously my body isn’t up for that plan!
I always feel like this in the first week. Then distracted by opks, dtd and ovulation. During the tww I’m always blindly optimistic. And then it begins again!
That’s a better way of looking at the follicular phase though, thank you I will try that. I had a very healthy lunch so that’s a start!!

It’s just so draining isn’t it 😔

Misty84 · 17/06/2021 13:33

I haven’t even told my partner about AF this time. It’s so depressing letting him know we’ve failed each month!

AnxiousWannabe · 17/06/2021 14:25

Hey @Misty84
Is IVF your only option offered ? What about clomid and letrozole ?

AnxiousWannabe · 17/06/2021 14:28

I mean...IVF freaks me out too but I noticed we are on two diff spectrum here lol.

I can't wait to start but not encouraged and u are starting but not keen to. The reason why I'm rushing is because...I want to be doing something. There's way too much waiting ...the tww. Waiting for ovulation. Waiting for next period. It's...just waiting with no results

Misty84 · 17/06/2021 14:33

No I wasn’t offered anything else just straight to IVF. Maybe because low number of eggs they don’t want to waste any more time? Not sure.
I would be looking forward to it if we didn’t have to go private, it’s the financial aspect that is scaring me as that’s going to be major pressure each cycle. We don’t have that much to spend on this 😕

AnxiousWannabe · 17/06/2021 14:50

Are u using access fertility ? I figure it will ease the financial burden a bit ?

Misty84 · 17/06/2021 15:10

@AnxiousWannabe Access are reviewing my case at the moment…so I’ve just got to wait. Me and OH on slightly different mindsets with this; he thinks it’ll only take 1 or 2 rounds therefore wants to pay as we go, I’m much less optimistic and therefore would want to spend more initially and then get a partial refund to pay for another round! So I thought I’d just find out whether they will even accept us before presenting my case to him!
I have no idea if they use amh as a marker like the nhs do x

Misty84 · 17/06/2021 15:22

(Although even then the upfront cost is scary so I’m not sure myself- would def have to discuss in depth! Rubbish that this ends up being about money. Adds so much to the stress.)

thislittlebird · 17/06/2021 15:27

I haven’t applied to Access yet but the benefit someone else told me on a thread is that unlimited FET is included @Misty84. It’s worth looking into how much it would be per transfer without one of those packages to sway him, because that’s what swung me towards an Access package.

I would get the refund package but I’m leaning towards the multicycle right now (no refund, but cheaper) for two rounds because I’m hoping that will do it for us with unlimited transfers. But it is tempting to go for the refund package knowing the three cycles are bought and paid for bar meds.

My back up plan if these two cycles fail is to try Create’s 3 cycle package.

Misty84 · 17/06/2021 15:34

Thanks @thislittlebird that’s very useful!

AnxiousWannabe · 17/06/2021 16:06

I saw this and just really wanna put it out here
bestfertility-now.com/letter-to-my-pregnant-friend-your-happiness-and-my-mental-health-are-not-compatible/

Dear pregnant, glowing, happy friend,

Let’s cut to the chase: Yes I did ignore the scan photo, the maternity pictures where I’m sure you’re gently holding your swelling bump & gazing wistfully into the distance (I haven’t looked to be honest) and your invitation to the baby shower. There are no hearts or comments from me on those. I’ve put you on mute.

You have plenty of friends, half of whom are pregnant like you so I hoped you wouldn’t notice, but you clearly have. I hear you’re a bit upset with me over this. I’m honestly not a horrible person, so here’s why you’re suddenly dead to me, and I hope that you can try to understand:

I can’t stand looking at pregnant women at the moment, and unfortunately I can’t make an exception for you. Yes, you’re more than a walking womb – you’re my friend & we’ve got history, so how dare I ignore you just because you got pregnant, right? What kind of evil witch does that?

This cuts both ways though – as my friend you know exactly what I’ve been through trying to get pregnant. You see, I’m currently an infertile woman and you’re a pregnant woman, and absolutely everyone is happy to throw my mental health under a bus to make a fuss of you. Including you. I’m expected to suck it up for you, but it’s the end of the world if I expect the same consideration. That’s just the way it is apparently – I don’t make the rules.

We have all said “Be kind!” but do we mean it?

It doesn’t matter how much we say “be kind!” and “mental health is important!” when you’re a woman that’s not able to make babies. My mental health matters less than a like on a picture of a scan to some people – and definitely less than a party. You can withdraw our friendship because you think that I owe you the appropriate amount of fawning over your baby shower, even though you know I’m in the middle of IVF. Yes, that sounds appalling, I’m not proud of saying that, but as I will continue to mention – this is a mental health issue – it’s not about manners.

It is not your fault that you don’t understand what’s going on with women like me, and I’m not actually mad with you for that. I’m mad with a society that treats infertile women like they’re selfishly making a fuss, if they dare to try and excuse themselves from the carnival of joy that follows a pregnant woman into the office and beyond. That seems to forget about us & then gets annoyed when it’s reminded that we do exist. That can laugh kindly and be understanding about the emotional behaviour of a pregnant woman, but is quick to label us selfish or drama queens or jealous, if we are sensitive about trauma triggers such as pregnancy. It feels like we’re pitted against each other somehow, and it’s so unfair. We have phrases like “hormones” and “baby brain” to ensure that we make space for a pregnant woman’s reactions and emotions, but we don’t have a way to tactfully say to pregnant women “Hey, maybe you should give your friend with fertility struggles some space and not shove that big old pretty bump in her face right now!”

Of course pregnant women are in a vulnerable and unique position, and pregnancy is hard and of course we should all look out for them. I’m just saying – anonymously, because I know how deep this goes in society, that maybe we don’t have to routinely disregard the mental health of infertility sufferers, for the sake of special parties and social niceties? Those things could take place without us. You could graciously excuse us from all of that, if you knew how deep our suffering runs.

Instead we’re expected to fawn over people who (innocently) trigger our deepest feelings of sadness and anger, with a fake smile on our face and a congratulations card – and I’m sick of it. We’re all sick of it, but I’m just especially sick of it at the moment. I don’t deserve it – and you don’t deserve this bitter version of me that exists at the moment. What if I could just say hey – congratulations but I’m just having a hard time with this because I can’t get pregnant myself. You could say “OK, good luck with that. Not going to be offended if you don’t get involved right now, but you’re always welcome in the future!”

What if we could handle infertility vs pregnancy better?

So we don’t currently handle it that well, and I’m going to miss your whole pregnancy, and that’s obviously a big deal, right? I don’t actually want to miss a huge chunk of your life, but here’s the kicker – I have to. For my mental health. Because it’s just as important as your mental health. You, as a woman who hasn’t had fertility issues, and apparently got pregnant just by glancing at your husband’s penis in the shower- have no idea what’s happening to me. You will think – as society tells you to, that I am being bitter and uncaring and mean because it’s just in my nature to be like that. That I’m making it “all about me”, when I actually just want to slink away unnoticed. But why would you know any better if no-one ever tells you this stuff or talks about it? Can we just bloody stop this merry-go-round and get real about it please? I’m not mean or uncaring – I’m just struggling with pregnancy. Including yours.

Give me a pass for heaven’s sake. I couldn’t even cope if my cat got pregnant right now, never mind someone I went shopping at Tammy Girl with. Pregnancy is deeply, horribly triggering when you desperately wanted a baby and tried your hardest, but instead you had a miscarriage, a chemical pregnancy, a failed embryo implant, an ectopic pregnancy, a termination for medical reasons or a stillbirth. Show me a woman with fertility struggles who hasn’t had at least one of those. A scan is the very last thing you want to look at. A baby shower is the last place in the universe you want to be. But I’m not allowed to simply say “Thanks so much for the invite, truly happy for you but can’t deal with pregnancy RN because I’m doing IVF again” in case it impinges for five seconds upon your fairy-tale. I wonder if I’ll be the same if I ever get pregnant. Probably not, knowing what I know now.

Fertility struggles have given me a new perspective

So what is it that I know now? That infertility is traumatic. That IVF is mentally and physically hard, and it doesn’t always work. That it can cause relationship strain and feelings of inadequacy and mental health challenges galore. Financial struggles. Hormonal drugs. Constant stupid comments from people who don’t understand. There’s something else too.

Women with fertility issues have to track everything – periods, ovulations and appointments. They are often acutely aware of how old their own lost and maybe-babies would have been at any given time, as well as the ongoing sense of loss they experience from not being able to have a baby. Nature has a really cruddy way of timing baby showers in the same month as our due-dates that never were. Your baby shower is two weeks after my due date 2 years ago. I should be bringing my nearly 2 year old with me. See, I told you we track everything.

Do you really want me to explain that I’d be bringing the baggage of my lost child with me to this party? Do I owe you that? Or could you, you know, just be understanding that baby showers might just be a little bit hard for someone that’s been trying to get pregnant for longer than you’ve known your husband?

So that’s my confession, and I’m going to passive-aggressively post it on my wall and hope that you read it. I can’t come to you with my truth, because I’d risk “stressing you out” and “making it all about me” if I did. I can’t just suck it up, because my mental health is too fragile for that right now. So here I am as a woman with fertility struggles, asking for a little understanding from my friends. Can we call a truce? Can we be more honest with each other? Can we accept that pregnancy is wonderful for you but hard for others? As a woman trying so hard for a baby, I live in hope.

AnxiousWannabe · 17/06/2021 16:33

@thislittlebird
My plan is to go for access and if the 3 cycles don't work use the refund for another round

thislittlebird · 17/06/2021 16:47

@AnxiousWannabe I have definitely considered it and I like the idea of the refund undoubtedly lol. I’m just not sure, because I have a good AMH and AFC I’m hoping, maybe naively, that we might be able to be successful with fewer full cycles but I need to read it all again. I was emailing back and forth with them but haven’t made a decision because we are still waiting for my husband’s latest results.

02Carol · 17/06/2021 19:54

Evening ladies, just reading everyone's journeys.

I'll join the fed up and TTC nightmare train.

I'm now waiting on an MRI scan on my brain just to my bloods.
Good times.

Me and OH are not speaking either and it's really not fun. I e pretty much decided, for personal reasons if I'm infertile, them that's my personal journey of motherhood over, OH not happy as he wants to try other options.

So we are make or break depending on my results.

Oh and today track trace told me to isolate. Yeyyyyyy! Ffs.

ElsieG3m · 17/06/2021 20:23

@AnxiousWannabe that post is so sad and so true. I can deal with seeing babies, I don't want someone else's child. It's baby bumps I can't bear to see. Big hugs xx

ElsieG3m · 17/06/2021 20:26

@02Carol oh lovely, that's so hard. Why are you having a MRI? I'm sorry you are feeling this way. It's so hard when you can't get on the same page. How long have you been trying and what help have you had? x

Misty84 · 17/06/2021 20:27

So sorry @02Carol, that sounds really awful especially as you’re on different pages 😔 It’s not fair at all that TTC has now pushed your relationship to breaking point. We don’t deserve this struggle!!!!

02Carol · 17/06/2021 20:40

I know everyone has different struggles, but they don't warn you the stress and upset TTC also comes with if your not one of the lucky ones who has a smooth ride.

My prolactin is really really high, so they think I have a little friend growing on my brain, well pituitary gland, and it dependable on X y and x can cause infertility. It can in some cases be helped with drugs, or surgery.

ElsieG3m · 17/06/2021 21:18

@02Carol I'm so sorry, that sounds really tough but hopefully they'll be able to diagnose you and get things sorted 🤞🏻 When is your MRI?

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