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Advice for Women That Have Come off the Pill - Share your Experience :)

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MintGreenLife · 16/06/2020 09:51

Hi all,

I came off the pill two months ago, and after having a completely haywire 2nd post-pill cycle, I've been doing a lot of research to try and understand what's going on.

I thought it would be nice to share my research and what I believe is happening to me, in hope it might help others. I also thought you might like to share your experience and how you found/are finding coming off the pill, as being able to read that other people experience similar can be really comforting. So here's me...

I'm 31 and TTC DC1.
I came off the pill early April, had my withdrawal bleed a few days later, then first natural AF came 30 days later, so a 30 day cycle. First AF was very light and started and finished with brown spotting. Only lasted 4 days.

I'm now in cycle2 currently on CD37. I didn't ovulate until CD33! The day after ovulation, my boobs and nipples were agony. I'm now 3DPO and the pain is worse.

I recalled this pain the last cycle too, which I wasn't tracking. I assumed it was a sign AF was coming, as it arrived 5 days later. But from this cycle I now know it's actually a sign I've ovulated, so this would mean an extremely short luteal phase on that first cycle.

My research has included reading 'Taking Charge of your Fertility'.
I also found this article extremely helpful in understanding what goes on in your body when you stop the pill, as well as learning things you can do to take charge of your cycle again: avivaromm.com/post-pill-reset/

My sore boobs and possible short luteal phase points to an oestrogen dominance, which causes low progesterone.

This sums up why this happens:

'While not a symptom in itself, nutritional deficiencies can cause a host of symptoms – including hormonal imbalances. They are also a problem for women who come off the pill hoping to get pregnant right away because low nutrient status has been associated with fertility problems, and low nutrients in mom can also mean low nutrients in baby. The pill has been associated with robbing a number of nutrients including B vitamins and magnesium.

Hormonal birth control pills can deplete the body’s stores of certain nutrients, including vitamins B2, B6, and B12; vitamins C and E; magnesium, selenium, zinc, and folate. Vitamin D levels may also drop after coming off the pill.'

Understanding what is going on with my body right now has made me feel so much better. If I were to have a normal luteal phase this cycle, I'd be on track to have a 48 day cycle! The sore boobs tell me I'm probably going to have a short luteal phase though.

I've also learnt how hormones control the whole cycle. With oestrogen being the important hormone during the first half. It builds up and when it reaches a certain threshold it triggers the LH surge. Once you've ovulated, then progesterone kicks in. This cycle I had three LH surges in total spaced 12 days apart until I finally ovulated. Oestrogen and Progesterone have to be perfectly balanced, and so I think the three LH surges could indicate that my oestrogen kept building up over and over until my body finally managed to ovulate, causing an oestrogen dominance. I finally confirmed ovulation after three high temps.

As of a few days ago, I'm following some of the steps in the article I linked, by taking a prenatal multivitamin to replace depleted nutrients. I already take probiotics, vitamin D and folic acid, so will continue with those and will add in vitamin C too. I've cut out low fat dairy instead choosing full fat, and am trying to focus on eating at least 2 pieces of fruit a day and extra veg with my lunch and dinner. I may also look into including a b6 supplement for my luteal phase next cycle if it does turn out to be short again this cycle, as this helps with progesterone and during the luteal phase progesterone spikes to dry up cervical fluid, change the cervix position, stop anymore eggs from being released and build up the lining, so is really crucial.

Hopefully this will help someone :) would love to hear how others are finding coming off the pill x

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MintGreenLife · 06/07/2020 10:05

@TheDaydreamBelievers morning :) we've chatted before on another thread. Last time we spoke you had just got your positive OPK. So sorry to hear AF hasn't shown up yet.

In a way it's good that your hormone levels looked fine from your bloods, but also frustrating as I'm sure you want to find a reason for what's happening! How long do you have to wait for the results of your second blood test?

I'm feeling pretty deflated as I made a lot of changes this cycle in hope it would help things along, and am now CD20 with no sign of EWCM (in fact hardly any CM the whole cycle) and no increase on OPKs or anything. Really thought things might be better this time around.

I'm considering doing a homeopathic pill 'detox' - it's £90 for the course and then involves taking some sort of remedy and I assume diet changes etc. I've looked at Dr. Brighten's course too, but that's a lot more expensive and is mostly focused on diet and supplements, and I'm worried that what she recommends is most likely close to what I'm already doing! I'm also reading 'It Starts With the Egg' and am now on a mission to cut out all of the plastic in our kitchen! x

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TheDaydreamBelievers · 06/07/2020 10:23

Yeah @MintGreenLife - we have come across each other a few times! Smile

Yeah absolutely, glad hormone levels looked fine from bloods, but annoyed that it means no reason for MIA periods! It's now a week on wed when I get bloods 2 back as 2 of 3 practice GPs are on holiday Hmm. My GPs are overall good though- she has said if I hit 6mo with no period she will refer to gynaecology.

It's so annoying how atypical cycles seem to be more common than not - how are we ever meant to spot a pattern?! I guess your cycle might still be long, as in the past few you havent ovulated until CD30+?

Hope you are managing to get some rest and relaxation in too- I'm planning some annual leave from work soon as I feel a bit stressed out (I work in NHS MH services).

What is the detox plan ? Not sure if anything can get artificial hormones out the system faster but would be curious to know more

Kay00 · 06/07/2020 10:33

@MintGreenLife @TheDaydreamBelievers its funny how everyone's body reacts so differently coming off the pill, if I had known the disruption to my 'normal' cycle I would have come off ages ago. I'm currently on CD30, I had a small LH surge around CD12-13 (and my temp dipped then jumped high,

Kay00 · 06/07/2020 10:33

@MintGreenLife @TheDaydreamBelievers its funny how everyone's body reacts so differently coming off the pill, if I had known the disruption to my 'normal' cycle I would have come off ages ago.

I'm currently on CD30, I had a small LH surge around CD12-13 (and my temp dipped then jumped high,

Kay00 · 06/07/2020 10:35

Sorry, posted to early...

...then my temperature dropped again. So I assume my body tried but did not ovulate. Since then I have had no sign of AF, so its just a waiting game now.

I have however, been very very (uncharacteristically) frisky the past couple of weeks, haha! Much to my DH's delight!

MintGreenLife · 06/07/2020 11:23

@TheDaydreamBelievers that's a bit of a wait, but I'm so glad they are investigating for you! Are you still doing OPKs most days to keep an eye on things?

Yep that's right. My first cycle was 30 days, and my second was 37 days, I guess I just thought as I had my first LH surge last cycle at CD19 (although not positive) I might get a positive earlier this time. Last cycle I didn't get a positive until CD33, and then my temp went up the next day, but dropped back down again the following day, back up again and then down again and AF arrived, so no idea what that means. Not sure if I ovulated and had an extremely short luteal phase, or maybe I didn't ovulate at all.

Out of interest, have you been struggling with your sex drive post pill? Mine disappeared in the last couple of years on the pill and hasn't come back yet, so think that's got to be a sign that things aren't back to normal. That coupled with the late ovulation/possibly no ovulation at all, hair loss and on and off spots doesn't look great re hormones.

Time off work sounds like a great plan for you, I can imagine your job is likely stressful at the best of times, let alone now with everything that's going on in the world.

This is what I've been doing in terms of what I'm following for food and supplements etc: avivaromm.com/post-pill-reset/

I've also been watching lots of videos by Inge Fleur: ingefleur.com

It's her pill detox I'm thinking about purchasing, but I won't know what's involved until I purchase the plan. From her videos, she says that the artificial hormones from the pill leave your body in days, but that long term use leaves an 'imprint' on your pituitary gland, which is what causes your body to struggle to resume normal cycles post pill.

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MintGreenLife · 06/07/2020 11:29

@Kay00 did you carry on doing OPKs after your surge? What CD are you on now?

That's interesting that your temp went up and then back down again, as mine did the same - I didn't get a positive OPK until CD33 last cycle, temp went up the next day, dropped back down, then went up again and then back down again and AF arrived that day too. I assumed I ovulated but had a super short luteal phase, but now I'm wondering if perhaps I didn't ovulate at all. Apparently your body can try to work through the cycle, and then if nothing happens it just gives up and you have a 'break through bleed' like you might on the pill, but it's not essentially a real period. My periods have been light off the pill, so now thinking that might be what's happening with me.

Haha that's great news and surely a good sign! Did you have issues with your sex drive on the pill? Mine was non existent the last couple of years on the pill and it's not come back yet. I was starting to think that was just me and that I was just someone that didn't have much of a sex drive, but thinking about it it had never been a problem before. I think my body showed me all kinds of signs that I had been on the pill for too long, but I never worked out it was the pill causing it. I'm desperate for mine to come back as it's definitely not all that easy TTC with zero sex drive, and of course it's generally a bit rubbish without it regardless! x

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Kay00 · 06/07/2020 12:57

@MintGreenLife I have only done the occasional OPK since my small LH surge and they have all be very negative (just a shadow of a line), I have not yet had a peak. Perhaps I will get a second surge before AF arrives, who knows?

My temperature shows no pattern, but a significant drop followed by a jump in temp around the time of my small LH surge (18th June). I guess I could have ovulated and missed the Peak LH OPK (as I only tested once a day around that time) but my temperature assumes I didn't.

My sex drive was pretty low/non-existant before I came off the pill, and it has been that way for years and years (I was on the pill for about 17 years), so my current increased sex drive is quite a novelty!

I think there should be a lot more information given to women about the impact on our bodies of being on the pill for so long, as I had no idea it could take so long to get back into a 'normal' rhythm and I know absolutely nothing aout what is normal for me!

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MintGreenLife · 06/07/2020 13:16

@Kay00 your returning sex drive is giving me hope! Really hope mine reappears sooner rather than later. I was on the pill for 13 years, and it was only in the last couple of years that I started struggling with my sex drive, seems to be a common complaint!!

I've attached my chart if of interest. You can see after my LH surge my temp went up a bit bit dropped back down to the coverline the flllowing day, then back up and then dropped again when AF came, so no clue what happened there to be honest.

I've just done my OPK for today and the line is darker yay, not a positive though. As you can see on my chart I had a similar LH reading on CD10, so not getting my hopes up, but hoping this is the start of it going up now 🤞🏼 Have increased CM today too, but no EWCM.

On my chart with my temps I wasn't really trying to do it at the same time in my first cycle, whereas I'm being stricter now and setting an alarm to wake me up, then I take my temp quickly and go back to sleep, so hoping I'll see a better pattern this cycle x

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Kay00 · 06/07/2020 13:52

@MintGreenLife its looking hopeful for you getting LH surge and peak soon - I have my fingers crossed for you! I have had no EWCM so far, but then I think I am in a constant state of dehydration, so i'm not surprised Grin. That is something I need to tackle moving forward... more water!

MintGreenLife · 06/07/2020 14:04

Thanks @Kay00 ☺️ Much to my surprise I got EWCM in my first two cycles off the pill (with this being my third) but both times I had it for 2-3 days and about 5-6 days before AF. I've looked into it and apparently some women get what resembles fertile CM before AF, so either that's what's happening with me, or I am ovulating and have an extremely short luteal phase. Hoping things will be clearer this cycle and maybe a bit more normal 🤷🏻‍♀️ Apparently evening primrose oil is meant to help with CM by the way. I bought some but haven't tried it yet as I already introduced quite a few supplements this cycle.

What cycle day are you on now? X

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Kay00 · 06/07/2020 14:31

@MintGreenLife I'm on cycle day 30, my CM is dry, temperatre low and LH low but feling frisky haha (sorry TMI!!)... its so unusual for me, I feel like there might be a problem haha!

We are still meant to be using barrier methods of contraception (we are planning on properly trying in Aug/Sept) but we are completely useless, so if I get a random second LH surge and ovulation then I could accidently fall pregnant... so I need to keep a close eye on things Grin

MintGreenLife · 06/07/2020 15:11

@Kay00 am I right in saying this is your first cycle off the pill? It's probably pretty good going that you had an LH surge so soon anyway :) haha I'm sure that's a good sign, wish my sex drive returned so quickly!

Aww not long to go now until you can officially start TTC!

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Kay00 · 06/07/2020 16:10

@MintGreenLife yes, this is my first cycle off, and i'm not overly concerned that things might not be working quite as they should. I find it interesting more than anything. I'm hoping to work out what a normal cycle looks like for me before we start officially trying, but if not i'll just have to keep using my new highly charged sex drive until it works for us Smile.

I hope your sex drive returns soon, I don't have any tips or advice as mine has pretty much come out of nowhere! In the mean time I will check out the evening primrose. Thanks!

Kay00 · 07/07/2020 12:39

Hi again all. Funny thing. I was expecting to come on my period following my earlier failed ovulation attempt earlier in the month. But then last night I had really itchy nipples, quite wet CM and my curvix was high and soft again (sorry, TMI!), which was in stark contract to the dry CM I had had earlier the same day.

This morning I woke up and found my temperature has dipped, and I used an OPK (around lunch time) and had my strongest line yet (not positive). So I think my body might be having a second go at ovulating - fingers crossed! I'm certainly getting an LH surge anyway.

@MintGreenLife from memory, I think this was similar to what you experienced in your first cycle coming off the pill too?

LorrieLu · 07/07/2020 13:09

Hi guys, I'm having a bit of a weird time at the moment. First I experienced a bit of brown spotting roughly 2 weeks ago (which usually happens if I forget to take a pill but I can't remember if I actually missed one) I stopped taking my pill about a week and a half ago at the end of the pill pack. I had half a day of very light bleeding yesterday but not a normal withdrawal bleed that usually lasts about 6 days.
The main reason I started taking the pill 3 years ago in the first place was to control my usual extremely heavy period, which worked. We still never had unprotected sex until the last couple of months when we decided we would be trying for a baby soon. Mainly because I wanted to be still covered if I did forget to take it.
Anyone have any advice as to why I didn't get the withdrawal bleed? I did a pregnancy test yesterday with negative result.

TheDaydreamBelievers · 07/07/2020 13:38

Hi @LorrieLu - I was the same at the end of my pills when I stopped, for the precious 12 years i had a 5-6 day withdrawal each month, this time 2 days of barely anything!

LorrieLu · 07/07/2020 13:43

So confusing isn't it @TheDaydreamBelievers! When did you stop taking the pill?

TheDaydreamBelievers · 07/07/2020 13:48

Hi @LorrieLu - in March. If you look above I'm having a lot of confusion with no AF at all but I'm an unusual case. Usually cycles will be a bit long or odd lengths after coming off pill but rare for them to be MIA entirely!

MintGreenLife · 07/07/2020 14:18

Hi @Kay00 ☺️ Yep that's right, although that was my second cycle off the pill. Sounds like you're experiencing the same thing I had though. Are you going to keep testing to see if you get a positive?

My LH levels are back slightly lower than yesterday, so looks like my surge maybe isn't on the way like we thought yesterday. CM is increasing though and my cervix is high but still hard, so will have to wait and see. Really hoping I just get a proper positive OPK and temp rise this time round, rather than the multiple LH surges I got last time! X

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MintGreenLife · 07/07/2020 14:35

@LorrieLu so sorry I can't really advise much on this. So far my bleeds off the pill (2 AF and withdrawal bleed) have been much the same as when I was on the pill. Fairly light and lasting 4-5 days. To be honest I would just assume that was your withdrawal bleed, things can be haywire after stopping the pill, and perhaps because you missed a pill just a few weeks before it meant your withdrawal bleed was very light/short. I would worry about it too much, although I appreciate you'll want answers and be reading into everything at this stage as it's difficult not to! X

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Kay00 · 08/07/2020 13:57

Hi @MintGreenLife , yes i'm still tracking with OPK's. I got this almost positive one at lunch time today. My temperature has also risen (but not particularly high yet).

I'll test again with OPK's about 4pm and then again tonight. Hopefully I catch my positive, and hopefully my temperature will continue to rise tomorrow morning.

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MintGreenLife · 08/07/2020 14:09

@Kay00 awesome! Looks very close to a positive now ☺️ So good to know your body is having another go and hopefully doing what it's meant to x

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Kay00 · 08/07/2020 14:17

@MintGreenLife yes hopefully!!

TheDaydreamBelievers · 10/07/2020 11:41

Trying OPKs every few days (too busy in the afternoons to remember every day!)

One thing that for me is probably indicative of things not being as they should be is the complete flat line that is my temps. Have been 36.4 for days on end now, and v little variation around it. My temp line over the last month is just a fuzzy straight line!

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