ttc after MC July 2007 - anybody out there?

[popsy76]

Hi ladies, our old thread is full and now I can't find anyone
I have posted here and on bereavement thread with same title - come join me if you find this

Pipsqueake - glad the bleeding etc is nearly over and that now you and your dp can look forward

Jess- fingers crossed and everythig. Thinking of you.

You too pipsqeeke. It just sucks.

Went out with best friend last night who is all excited about her wedding next summer (boyf. just proposed) and she was all giddy at planning children and how they want to get pregnant on wedding night. I fell to bits on train home. Awful to be so upset when it's my best friend.

Think I'm just irrational at the moment with Clomid.

Morning all.

(((hugs))) floss, it's a natural reaction honney. and tbh not to sound mean to your friend but I think to a point we all go into ttc with grand ideas of everyhting going perfectly and everything happening when it should etc to our schedual. in reality as we all know that's not always the case.

jess good luck for today.

wheely - sil is due a month after ours would have been and a good firend 2 weeks after me god knows how i'll manage when the time comes - hoping to be pg again by then thou. be kind to yourself. we all have our bad days. am looking at a persona on ebay at the mo with sticks - is v cheap so will see how that goes. think we'll use it again thou.

as for me pretty much all pg symptoms have now gone clotting and pain has stopped it's now just a case of waiting for the bleeding to stop and then the scan/test etc - dreading that bit but DH will be there and PIL with DS.

Hi girls - hope everyone is having a TFIF day today - i am - just rolled into work after a very relaxing swim!

Went for bloods yesterday at 2pm - was home by 3 and lay down for a few mins and didn't wake up again til 6.45 - bloody hell feel like have been anaesthetised - think is the reflexology - have not fet so relaxed in years! (wheely all the more reason to get yours done. I have rubbish feet - got a metal file from boots and some bazuka and have nice heels now. Also think were to test whether hormones are right for ov as don't think I have been).

jess big hugs - let us know how you get on

My friends are nearly done now thanks god - one due ina week - the other in 3 weeks. Going to see that one plus new baby firned next friday - keep wondering if is right thing to do but tbh at our age everyone is having babies and if i try to avoid them all i'll not have any friends

have a good weekend ladies

Popsy your zen-ness is oozing through the monitor It's great to feel really relaxed isn't it. I think a lot of us carry stress without even being aware of it. I felt exhausted yesterday morning after my reflexology session but feel well rested now.

Hello !

Jess - thinking of you and keeping everything crossed.

Pip - if you're planning on using Persona again, please let me send yours back to you. As I said, I haven't used it this month in the end and I will be off on hols in the middle of next month so probably won't lug it to Greece.... I'd just put it in the post to you but don't know your address.

Popsy - the reflexology does sound good. Will try and get my feet looking bootiful and then have a go. Did you just find your reflexologist by chance or have a recommendation ? I had a look on the reflexology website and there are loads in my area.

ON teh subject of friends/relations being pg, since my miscarriage 16 people have announced pregnancies (most have had them by now) so I should be used to it by now .

Just got back from a friends and I was so not looking forward to going - don't know if I said before but she is an uber-competitive mother who PURPOSELY chose the same time to potty train her dd (1 day younger than mine) and of course she has done it quickly etc whereas I've given up. When I got there, her dd was sitting on the potty () and then I had to endure a day by day account of wees poos and accidents. I managed to maintain a 'well it hasn't happened for us but I'm not remotely bothered' approach whilst gently getting crosser and crosser. Also, her dd is the sort that hits children behind her mother's back and then if there is retaliation bursts into the biggest flood of tears and the other child (usually my naughty dd) gets treated like the monster from hell.

Oh well.. calm calm calm... I have got through it - sorry for the rant

Hi everyone, have tried to catch up but there are too many posts!

I'm on CD59 now and got BFN this morning . Had blood tests Wed and the thyroid came back normal and the Hcg (pregnancy) test came back "normal" - which I asssume means not pregnant. I nearly burst into tears - I thought I was getting better!

LH/FSH test (which i think is the most imp. one) is not back yet.

Have to go out tonight with PG friend (due week before I was) so maybe that is not helping my sad state.

I am depressed with these long cycles - what if I am not ovualting at all? If I don't get PG this time it could be the middle of October before my next period is due. I can't handle it!

Hi nh don't despair - I know exactly how you feel - when mine were 6 weeks i kept calculating how many chance i would have before the end of the summer and then before my due date etc etc. It really is bloody shit - Maybe you are similar to me and are holding on to everything in your head and your body is responding by shutting off the ovulation - makes perfect sense in an evolutionary perspective cos the body shuts of ov in times of stress (useful when a cave woman - less useful when the very thing causing the stress is fertility). TBH my AF came a week ealrier than expected when I was on hols (CD35 instead of CD43). This was enough evidence for me to realise that stress is playing huge role in all this.

I seem to remember you also have a stressful job like me? Has any of that resolved itself? Maybe you could spend some time thinking of ways in which to give your mind and body a break. I have taken up yoga, reflexology and am starting to say no to things at work. It is really hard but if you think about it - it is an easy decision when it means the difference between you having a family or not? If DH business was more stable I think I would just take a years sabbatical - not just to get PG but really to give myself a break for the first time since ...well can't think of when - before my GCSEs I suppose arghhhhh (nearly 20 years of stress poor bod!).

Anyway - I hope you can find a way to slow down? Another question though - why did they do thyroid tests? My reflexologist said my womb and ovaries seem fine but thyroid not good? (how can she tell all this from my feet?) .

Hi wheely you are so STRONG lady - amazed that you were cool as cucumber - sad that your friend needs to get her own self esteem through battering yours (she must be very insecure?)

just got an email pic of v PG friend and felt okay - must be getting better eh?

going to skive early today in the interests of hormones and fertility ha ha

Hi Popsy, thanks so much, everything you say makes sense but it still makes me want to cry with frustration! I have just been on hols too and had a well chilled time - no period though. Work has resolved itself but really only in last few days so maybe that will kick in in time.

The thing is I think I am OK and then something will just totally knock me (like hearing I am not PG from doc's even though took a test this morning and it was BFN - just felt more serious from doc even though they are only testing the same thing))

I have never had regular periods (although was on pill for eight years and they were regular then of course), from age 14-17 they were always about three months apart but just thought my body was taking its time getting into a cycle as I started my periods late (14)

Don't know why they did a thyroid test - maybe get yours checked though??

Might try the reflexology... it can't hurt can it.

I have to go to a wedding this weekend as well and I thought I would be 'blooming' as would have been 30-odd weeks PG now... but I am just blooming miserable

I'm not sure why it is but I've heard that thyroid problems (and diabetes) can increase the risk of miscarriage - my GP had me tested for both conditions after my 2nd mc.

I'm trying to stay lovely and positive today - beautiful weather and we're having a party tomorrow. I will not think about the probability that I'll be having an ERPC next week.

Jess - thinking of you.

Hello just popping in to see how you all are.

Popsy ? glad you had a lovely holiday bet it seems like ages ago now! Good to hear that your cycle length is reducing ? more chances hope the blood tests go well. Interesting about you and Mr Popsy meeting online ? sort of! I met one of my MN buddies in life and we catch up a lot now, it?s great, we can talk about anything and everything! PMSL at MN being a ?stage? ? its like Radio 1 ? grows with you I?ll have a cake when you meet and imagine I?m there with you all too ? I?d so love to be had a dream the other day that I had a party at my house for my MN pals, we had a ball!

Hey Littlesquirt ? nice to be missed how are you? My AF took 40 days after my MC but the next cycle after that was back to 28 days (well ? not quite true as I got pg that cycle so hopefully it?ll last until January or just before ) I had a Reiki session back in December and it was amazing, so relaxing, and I do think it helped. Had some reflexology too but personally didn?t think it did much for me.

Kazza hope things are settling down for you now, it can take a while.

Iwillbepositive so sorry hon x
Ronshar ? lots of positive vibes winging their way to you
Picknmix, MsG - hello
Lissie ? must be time your luck changed hon
Ladylush ? hey you. How are you? How is the reflexology going? Good to hear you are looking well feeling well?
Jess ? sorry to hear that you are having a worrying time . Hoping and praying that it is just too early to see anything with the scan. How are you feeling? xx
Flosspot ? glad things have passed go! Good luck with the house sale, mine is really getting me down can?t believe someone said your post was stupid hate nastiness on MN! It does sound like one of the usual suspects.
Hey Kensgirl ? Hope you have a lovely time, I?ve been to the Dom Rep twice, loved it, what part are you going to? one of our baby girl names is an island that we went to on a day trip there, Saeona ? it was gorgeous shall we synchronise watches so we can do the cake fest from afar?
Nh101 ? hello! Hope the blood tests went well.
Torres ? glad to hear that you are ok. Bet that week off helped. How are you getting on with the book? Got to the questionnaire yet? Hope the acupuncture is helping horrible about the mouse droppings!!

Wheelybug ? hello! Hope your results are good.

Pipsqueeke ? we spoke on your sad thread hon, I am so sorry it went the way it did hon. These ladies are lovely and will take good care of you and if I can ever help, please seek me out I?m sure I speak for everyone by saying that you shouldn?t worry about bringing down the thread, this is when you need support the most and it makes a huge difference to your wellbeing just talking I found.

Rachel1963 ? I am so sorry for your loss. Fingers crossed that fate is fair and you get another chance very soon
Hey alittlebitshy ? you ok hon? xx

Hi nh hmmm seems like your cycles already fcked - go to docs - cry and get on clomid asap ... but seriously - does sound like you could do with some form of intervention? Glad the job is sorting itself out - how is the cw-bag (should have been you) boss doing? Have been sticking pins in an effigy for you . IKWYM about having set backs - I think we all have them - is manageable if they are far appart - is when they come close together that you really wonder what is the point of carrying on? I felt sad on hols when I saw my nans friend (she lived there 20 years ago and we still have the house). I was overcome by the feeling that I wanted to be seeing her all preganant and blooming as she is like a surrogate nan to me now...shouldn't be that upsetting but that is just me these days - a big ball of hormones and emotions . I even wanted to tell her that but Dh was there and I did start thinking that I should be at a point where my MC is not the first thing I share with people when I see them .
I was actually thinking about my 24/09 D Day and don't feel too bad - seems so long ago that I was PG that seems less and less real now - suppose this is what they mean about getting over this MC before trying again

Just looked up hypothyroidism on web and is linked to MCs and a few other symptoms I have had so may ask doc for tests when I call in about my FSH and LH

Hi MrsMc lovley to hear from you - hope you are keeping well and happy and that your little bump is becoming a big bump

Will you be having a scotch pancake when we are at ottolenghi

On subject of Ottolenghi, we need a new date. Any thoughts?

I am busy on the bank holiday weekend but any friday after work in august/sept okay with me

Hi ladies
I've been very busy today with hoiday shopping, ah a hard life.... soI'm just catching up.

glad you enjoyed the purple peril Popsy!

Hey, its Mrsmc! How are you - i hope you are getting fatter every dy, in the best way of course! We are going to Bahia Maimon,at The Riu Bacchata next Wednesday. Where abouts did you go to? I would love to go to saona island, we are plaaning to go there, and it is certainly a pretty, girly name. Are you planning on finding out if you are going to be pink or blue?
Actually, you may be able to help me - did you take Malaria tablets while you were there? I've had some mixe advice, the pharmacist says I should take Avloclor,but
that it may not be safe to take while ttc, and the GP says avoid them if possible.But, I googled and it says it is afe to take during pregnancy, so I'm not sure. has anyone any advie or experience? Sorry, I know this should be in a different section, I was just wondering...

Synchronising watches sound s like a plan, and a better one than Torres evil webcam plottings .

Hello everyone (inc. Mrs McJnr - lovely to hear from you ).

I found my reflexologist by googling local ones. Chose her because her special interest is in conception/pregnancy.

Popsy - maybe she means your thyroid is out of balance, rather than being not good iyswim. Usually if your thyroid was seriously under/over functioning I think your pituitary would be dodgy too (is that right - you probably know better than me since you teach anatomy)and a reflexologist would be able to tell if your pituitary is not working well. Mine was performing very poorly when I saw her the week after my ERPC but is ok now (apparently).

Thyroid disease is indicated in instance of miscarriage but is not the same as thyroid function. I looked into this on the internet and it seems a woman can have normal thyroid function so bloods are normal but can have thyroid disease which is triggered by pregnancy and for which there are no diagnostic tests. I think that is right, will have to go back and check.

My full blood count test performed after ERPC was normal. The only one left to do is fasting glucose.

ladylush - would that show up on an MRI scan thyroid disease I mean? I had to have one to check my purtitry (sp) after having a major hormone imbalance as a child. am deffo going to try for this now esp as we have thyroid probs in the family. (paternal aunt) wiht underactive one- and i'm ot 100% sure mums isn't underactive lightly as well.

kens - i'd go with what the dr says tbh, is there an alternative you can take?

mrs J - nice of you to stop by glad things are going well for you

rach - thinking fo you honney ((hugs))

nh - althou this is recent for me i'm finding good days and bad- I assume i'll have those for a long time yet.

pop - hope you enjoyed your skive. lol.

wheely - agree with the otehrs your friends lack of confidence and self esteem means she sees fit to judge you and your DD/parenting. tbh at least we know our children can do wrtong and are not perfect- which makes for a better mummy I think. (least that's my excuse for having a child who's new word is bugger) - GREMLIN! lol. (only 17 months thou so is it allowed? lol.)

any news from jess at all? have been looking out for her yesterday.

as for us here, i've got everything ready some cheapy ebay tests etc for re testing. but feel quite down today, esp as i'm now hearing SIL is suffering with early pg sysmptoms I jsut feel like bursting into tears all the time. she must now be about 5/6 weeks I feel awful as i'm close to DB but i'm just not intrested at all in it - any other time and i'd gladly share news etc but for now I jsut don't want ot know anythign and that makes me feel awful passed another clot again today so getting worried again - yesterday we had a really good day but now it feels like about 10 steps back.

I don't know if thyroid disease would show up in an MRI but under/overactive thyroid probably would. My mum has underactive thryroid caused by a tumour on her pituitary gland but I don't think that puts me at extra risk as the tumour is the cause rather than a faulty thyroid iyswim.

It's horrible passing clots isn't it I suppose it will take a while to feel yourself again and don't feel guilty about not wanting all the details of your sis in laws pg - perfectly natural given your situation.

Hi all

Hi kensgirl, happy anniversary . Hope you are having a wonderful day. I saw your post in the Hut and felt so sorry for you. I can not believe what an awful coincidence that your DH's friend and girlfriend are going to be in the same place. Hopefully though you'll be able to take yourself off and spend some time alone. (plus hopefully she'll be really miserable and sick and stuck in her room the whole fortnight!). I've no experience of malaria tablets and ttc I'm afraid, though I wouldn't want to risk malaria. Is the whole island malarial or just parts? Do you have any travel clinics near you? I went to one attached to STA travel, and the nurse I saw was very clued up on different types of malarial protection.

mrsmc- I have got to the questionaire but I think I may have hypochondriac tendencies as I was finding myself saying yes to everything! So i am going to keep a diary of my symptoms the next cycle and then go back to the questionaire so I can answer it honestly. It's such an interesting book, especially as it's written by a gynaecologist who also has chinese medicine experience (that certainly helped me convince DH I wasn't reading utter mystic nonsense!). The acupuncturist mentioned I had a 'cold uterus' and when i looked it up in your book it made such sense- one of the symtoms is having mid cycle cramping which I have really suffered from since the mc. So I've been trying to follow the remedies in the book (basically keeping my tummy warm, lots of hot foods and drinks, avoiding iced drinks, massaging my tummy). Thank you so much for lending it to me!!- Anyway, how are you hon? do you feel more settled into your pregnancy now? x

Hi pipsqueeke- sorry to hear you passed another clot . It's a horrible horrible time and I am thinking of you. I hope this stage passes for you soon.

Hi ladylush- hope you're ok and enjoying ths sun!

Hi everyone. Still lurking around and still not convinced I'm pregnant as have absolutely no symptoms whatever. Am in the frame of mind that in a couple of weeks I'll be back on this thread anyway when my scan confirms there isn't a baby there! So thought I'd come and say hello. Sorry haven't caught up with all the individual messages (MrsMcJ you put me to shame - how do you consistently manage to find a personal mention for every single person on every thread?? You are amazing)

I'm away 13-19 Aug if that's still when the cake-fest is which may be a good thing as it will solve my dilemma of whether I should come or not, being as I'm not technically ttc! Will be thinking of you all and have a great big sweet'n'sticky one for me

Good morning all!

Siameez, I hope everything works well for you,imm sure it will, its the curse of mc though isn't it,that once you have had one that innocent joy of being newly pregnant is replced by worry for evermore. This one will be fine, I have good feelings !

Hi Torres! I have looked into it a bit more and there is another medication for anti malaria called paludrine which is supposed to be the safest. The advice is that it is safe throughout pregnancy, so I can't see it would be harmful pre conception. Some others have warnings telling you not to concieve for three months after taking it etc, so I feel sort of OK about taking it .

What is the book you are mentioning, Torres? It sounds intersting reading.

Well, my GP has made me fel a bit more hopeful, so I thought i would pass it on to everyone here. I didn't see my usual GP, but another who I think specialises in gynae. I didn't intend discussing ttc, but mentioned it due to the malaria /associated ttc etc blah blah and it went from there. She has avised me that the latest advice is that the over the counter folic acid supplements are aroung 400mg an that this sin't enough, we should be all taking 500mg daily, only available from a prescrption. I got 3 months supply for the pescription price so it wasn't any more expensive.
Also, I told her I was beginning to worry as we had been trying since mc in December, and she said not to worry at all, as she still firmly believed that your body needs 6 months to recover and allow the womb to heal. I know this sounds a bit old fashioned, but she isn't a fuddy duddy and spent a lot of time with me, so I found myself seeing her point, and it made sense. She also reassured me that I'm still young (32) and made me feel normal.

Hope evryone else is alright, big wave to you all xx

Hi everyone
Hope you all had lovley sunny weekends - I id and am super chlled today

Torres what is that book you are reading - is it the one MrsMc talked about agesd ago and I meant to get but never did - think I need it now ... or at least am ready for it . I too have mid cycle cramps - does that mean my uterus is cold brrrrrrrrrrrr

Hi pips poor you - just avoid her - everytime you hear about someone having the symptoms you should be having it is like a knife through the heart - it doesn't totally go away but it does get less painful wit time. I really wanted to get PG again as soon as poss after MC as I wanted to smother all the painful feelings. I'm not saying I don't wish I was PG again now (I'm not a saint) but I can recognise that this time of grieving has actually been good for me (in my saner moments . I don't think I have ever been so depressed/reflective/hormonal/emotional for an extended period before - you certainly learn alot about yourself and I know I am a much stronger person now - with a lot more idea about life and the fact that you cannot control it however hard you try. Sending big hugs to you - Monday morning urghhhhhh

Hi ladylush thanks for the tips - yes she also said my pituitary is of kilter too - will ask her more on thursday - tbh I feel so much better after one session - don't know if is just mind over matter or that I am now "ready" to be feeling better but Thanks f*ck for that

Have a good monday everone (tongue firmly in cheek)

Ohh hi kens cross posts
i like the idea of six months - I was just thinking yesterdsay that i would actually be sane enough to really be PG again next month (have been trying 3 cycles now but totally insane so not best platform for getting PG again).
Will be my due date so maybe should think of october instead to take the pressure off... look at me... ZEN LADY ha ha
xxxxxxxp.s. I took paludrine many moons ago when went travelling - think i remember MASSIVE tablets that made us feel quite sick so we stopped taking them... no sign of malaria as yet

Hey all - been on hols - sorry to lazy to read all the posts now as there are millions, but hope everyone is OK x
I am super-chilled, time away was soooo lovely, and even managed to fit in some BD'ing at the right time so fingers crossed! But I feel much happier about it now and less obsessed, so won't be gutted if not. I had one cry about MC when away, as is getting close to due date and felt a bit sad, but generally feeling pretty good.

Hi popsy and Ellie!

I think I'm going to get the Paludrine, but might make only a half hearted attempt to take them.

I feel like that too! I still desperately want a baby, but looing back I'm not surprsed it hasn't happened as I was far too sressed, and not in the right frame of mind emotionally. I'm hoping that tha fact that I can recognise that means I have moved on in some way.

This cold womb has me intrigued though - the last week or two I keep finding myself having the urge to massage my tummy, and kind of loosen things up. I wonder if my body is tying to tell me something?