Thread 28, TTC #1 | We may be hormonal giraffes but we don't eat no low fat humous

[Londonjam]

Calling all OPK-ers, Temp-ers, Clomid-ers, Femara-ers, IUI-ers, IVF-ers and anyone else on the TTC #1 Bus.

We've been going a while now so the novelty has worn off and we're slightly battle scarred and bruised in the cervix area. We don't get a lot of baby dust in these here parts, we just keep it legs spread and fingers crossed (LSFX). We love a baby bomb from a prior bus-mate but if we get told to 'just relax and enjoy it' ONE MORE TIME you will get a punch in the face!

Hop on board, post your stats and prepare to be dazzled by the wealth of TTC knowledge we long-timeys have to share...

Key:
HS - have/had sex
GOS - good old shag
ELH - enthusiastic lavatory happenings
LSFX - legs spread, fingers crossed

Music - I'll be starting the Clomid next cycle on day 2, so next Tuesday if AF is present and on time.

Jam - what a hilarious autocorrect, I bet she was shitting herself. No not the Feds!!!

Sorry Pyjamas xxx

sorry pyjamas

I feel like I might need the Feds at this rate! Lol

So sorry pyjamas that's sucks xx

I've had a few replies saying you have to be having treatment here to get it. Another saying initial consultation is £240 and scans £170. I just want a prescription and scan!

Hmm that's pricey Jam

Just sharing this info:
Oxford Online Pharmacy charge £16.75 for 2 Clomid Cycles, plus an additional £25 charge for a private prescription.
Scan options - Ultrasound Direct charge £99 and they have quite a few London clinics I believe.

Sorry PJs

Thanks everyone - I had a bit of a cry in the work loos earlier when it happened and feel a bit better now. Managed to do a 10 min Headspace session as well so feel a bit more balanced. Glad I got my HIIT session out of the way this morning and have PT tomorrow morning so no chance of falling off the get fit bandwagon. Knowing we have our appt on the 15th does help and also means we have one more go at it before then. I'm going to ask them about Clomid just to see what they say. To be honest, I think I'm ready to get the IVF show on the road though.

Will be interesting to see how DH acts this time around - have drinks with friends planned for Friday and I just need him to cut me some slack! He's sad about today as well - we're going out for dinner tonight so can hopefully talk properly instead of each of us sulking then arguing.

Shame it's so expensive jam!

I hope he does cut you some slack this time Pyjamas - he needs to understand that women need time out during AF. Especially when TTC. Big hugs for you xxx

Yeh I hope he doesn't ruin your fuck-it night again, pyjamas. I don't know how you put up with all the sulking and mood swings. You're more patient than I would be! Within reason you should be free to do whatever you like and not be judged or have to walk on eggshells.

Hope you're alright CD1 truly sucks xx

Hi all 👋🏼

Got back from Japan last night. I haven't had a chance to read all the way through this thread but love the name!!!

Hope everyone is doing ok.

Sorry for AF pyjamas 💐. Glad you've got your appointment coming up. I hope you have a nice meal tonight.

Hi everyone. Back in work today - wish could have had more time off tbh but just couldn't as we're so busy atm.

Sorry pyjamas - you definitely deserve a night out! Hopefully your DH will understand.

Re the scans - I had my private scan with ultrasound direct in london city and it was £89. Only thing I'd say though is that their equipment wasn't as sensitive as the NHS scanner. At my first NHS scan there was a yolk sac, at my private scan it had apparently totally disappeared and she really tried to find it. When I had my second NHS scan on Monday before the procedure the yolk sac was clearly visible and had grown (sadly not enough and there was no embryo), so the private one had obv just missed it. Also the private scanner told me I had polycystic ovaries and when I checked on mon the NHS doc said I definitely didn't, so not sure I'd go back to that branch again tbh.

Jam that typo made me laugh out loud! Hilarious!! Looks v expensive to get it done privately though - esp when compared to Alexia's costs...

Question for you Alexia (resident expert!): On the scan front, if you get the prescription privately and then the scan shows that you're responding badly (OHSS or similar) then how does that get sorted? Would you need to go to the hospital/GP or would simply not taking any more Clomid be enough?
I was just thinking about my situation and the fact I have polycystic ovaries, so would need very gentle IVF stimms to prevent OHSS, and may well over-respond to Clomid too. Makes me scared to do anything without close medical backup :(

Great news you're getting to try it though Sk1pper - really excited to see what it can do for you.

Sorry about AF PJs. Very impressed with your fitness dedication though, hopefully that will produce lots of lovely endorphins for you to help counteract the sadness .

Welcome back Macs! How was Japan?? And more importantly, how are you feeling? Really hope the trip went smoothly and you managed to avoid feeling too sick/tired.

Good luck getting through work today Harriet. Not long until the long weekend - hope you can just chill and spoil yourself x

Gah pyjamas, I'm gutted for you. I hope you and DH have a nice dinner tonight and that he acts like less of an idiot this month. I'm planning a boozy night out with two of my team tonight so I will raise a glass to you.

Welcome back macs, hope you had a wonderful trip!

Harriet, that's pretty shoddy behaviour from the private clinic. I'm really surprised. I hope you're doing okay though and are managing to take it as easy as possible today

Hey Macs - did you go to Tokyo? Any tips or must-sees?

Harriet wow that's shocking. I know people who have used them and had good experiences, but this wasn't for early pregnancy scans though. Very shoddy indeed. Can't believe you're back at work already. You're incredibly strong

Inspector I believe one of the most common worries is if they scan you and see lots of mature follies. At that point they'd probably tell you to abstain from TTC if there were too many ie. 3 mature follies in each ovary could = 6 babies. Unlikely though and I'd find it hard to resist!

As for OHSS, it really is rare but more common in IVF treatment (more hardcore drugs). A scan is the only way of knowing how you respond to it, same as if you were taking IVF drugs. You only take Clomid for 5 days early on in your cycle so if you had a bad experience you just wouldn't use it again.

Clomid is prescribed to women with PCOS all the time because they often need help ovulating or ovulating much sooner in their cycle. Clearly I don't know your full history but I'd be very very surprised if a 25mg dose of Clomid caused OHSS. If it did it would most likely be a mild form and that's treatable at home by drinking fluids, taking painkillers and keeping active (to avoid thrombosis). More severe cases would need monitoring and treatment in hospital to stop fluid build up. I don't actually know anyone who's had it though so I can't really say any more than that or what Google says on the matter.

Welcome back Macs 👋 How was your trip? Hope everything is well with little bean.

Sorry pyjamas

Jam lol!
Welcome back Macs

That's really interesting, thanks Alexia 👍 Definitely food for thought.
I think since we're going to start the IVF referral in a couple of months we'll have our NHS round first, but if that doesn't work then trying Clomid will definitely be something to seriously consider.

Ah pyjamas so sad at the thought of you having a cry at work 😔 I wish we didn't have to go through this. Your DH had better let you let your hair down on Friday /stern look

Alexia thank you for sharing that info

I realised earlier that if I wasn't on Mumsnet I would not be TTC after having a HSG or have any clue about clomid and its use with unexplainable and MFI. I trust doctors and consultants implicitly - but it seems the advice differs quite drastically.

Welcome back macs hope you had a fab trip

Penguin that's a really good point re overstimulation. My right ovary is polycystic - I don't have PCOS and have very regular cycles - but I think I could be very responsive to ovulation promoters too. I would hope the scans came with advice as to what to do next? I might drop Ultrasound Direct a line and ask.

Alexia thats true re PCOS but the penguin and me don't have that - we have lots of follicles but we do ovulate normally. It's a very different thing, so whilst clomid is recommended for PCOS it might not be for PCO...

Harriet your experience with them is pretty rubbish though. Hope you're doing okay, well done getting back into work but please go easy on yourself

Well, another AF, another bust up with DH 😞 All was fine until I mentioned I wanted to have a night out with friends on Friday and have a few drinks. He just doesn't understand why I need the drinks and gave me a load of attitude about it. No matter how many times I say that it's not about needing a drink and it's just wanting to have a night out (and yes have a few stress free drinks) and have some fun without fear of how he's going to react. He started asking me how many drinks I was going to have and what time I would be home. I honestly can't remember the last time I went out, came home, and he simply asked me how my night was. He's always pissed off.

I nearly lost it at dinner (honestly nearly started hyperventilating with rage), and now I'm upstairs in my study crying with frustration and he's downstairs watching tv. No matter how shit I feel when AF comes, I can always count on him to make me feel shitter. Sorry guys, this must all feel like a broken record to you. I now always look on in envy at groups of friends having a laugh and a few drinks without a care in the world.

Hope you had fun tonight kath- good to know at least one of us has!

I'm surprised at the private clinic as well harriet- how shit of them!

Oh FFS pyjamas, I'm so disappointed in your DH. You have your bloody period, it makes absolutely bugger all difference whether you have a few drinks or not. I'm so sorry that he's treating you like this.

Oh for goodness sake 😩 it's just a few drinks! I'd be furious. I'm furious on your behalf! He should be pouring you a glass of wine and giving you a foot rub. Not giving you shit about going out with your friends.

Oh PJs what an absolute shitter. I'm so sorry he's being like that; it's completely unnecessary and clearly just driving the two of you apart.
I just don't understand his angle at all. I really don't.
I'm so frustrated on your behalf that I can't imagine how you're feeling.

Please do make sure you get your night out and your drinks. It won't make one iota of difference to TTC and your emotional and mental health needs to be looked after. This controlling and manipulative behaviour can't win out

Look after yourself. I hope things improve for the bank holiday

Ah Jam I didn't know you had a polycystic ovary!? and I must admit I misread Inspector's as PCOS. From my limited knowledge I still think they're similar in terms of follicles/ovaries but the syndrome is more likely to cause irregular and anovulatory cycles, weight gain, hair growth and other nasty stuff. I can't see a low dose Clomid cycle causing major issues but I'm no Dr

Jesus pyjamas I'm so sorry he's behaving like this. It's mental! I could be totally wrong but I feel like his issues stem from jealousy (that you're planning to go out without him) and that he can't control your drinking. Not that a few drinks will do ANY harm! Would you go to counselling? His mood swings and outbursts concern me I know ttc is stressful at times but this seems to be happening so frequently and unnecessarily. He should be taking care of you right now 💔

Thanks guys - honestly, I bore myself spouting on about all this drama every fucking month. I will definitely go out on Friday and I will have fun - I said if that's going to cause an argument, then although I'm in no way planning on getting paralytic, I'll stay in a hotel if it means avoiding attitude when I get home which would tarnish any fun time I may have had. All I got was silence. It's really unacceptable. I could back down and not go, but that's a slippery slope and not a life I want to lead for the next 40 or so years. My mum was a doormat married to my dad who wouldn't let her do anything and I'll be damned if I go the same way. Sorry, just very angry right now, and the hormones aren't helping! We'll definitely get counselling, we won't get through IVF without it. Not planning on drinking during ivf anyway, but this controlling and manipulative behaviour has to stop.

pyjamas