Is it a line? Time for some wine? Yep, it's TTC after miscarriage thread number nine.

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Hello ladies

Hope you don't mind my little poem...

Fingers crossed for some sticky beans this time.

(Newbies welcome too!)

Glad you've got a plan Anne. I've felt much more confident since my RMC gave me a plan. My bloods were also all fine - but my consultant has put me on the steroid plan as he thinks it could still be an immune issue. I'd rather be on steroids and aspirin than on nothing.

Absolutely tiggy, so you mind sharing what your plan is? Sorry I don’t remember seeing it if you have. Is it pre-bfp or post? And do you know the names of the drugs?

Really good your results are all clear. On the one hand, if there was a problem they’d be able to fix it/me and this wouldn’t keep happening. On the other, it’s nice to be in good health and he said that while he can understand the impulse, if they’d found a problem and could treat it - e.g. thyroid issues - I’d still be at a higher risk of future loss.

I do wonder just how much bad unexplained luck one can actually have and then for it to turn. I’ve had 4 mcs now and the tests from my mmc showed no problem with the fetus.

But I’m not giving up so nothing to do but travel hopefully and know that we’ve coped with a butt load of crap and come out in one piece so we can hopefully handle what’s to come.

People who are interested in crystals - moonstone, rose quartz and aquamarine. And also unakite. I got the sweetest email back from the woman who’s made my bracelet saying how to use unakite and what it’s special for. You can “cleanse” the stone by holding them in running water or putting them in the sunlight for a bit.

Anne
Thanks for sharing. Sounds really good, in that your consultant hasn't just said 'well we can't find anything, so bye bye', this is my worry.
Anyway having a scan today at gynae to check out my funny uterus and for any fibroids/ polyps etc. Feels weird to be having a non pregnant scan..........
will post properly later on once we are back, I want to wade into the dtd chat but we need to go now to get to the appointment!!

Hope it goes well Miami, thinking of you. Will you know anything today or have an appointment to discuss findings later one? Please do let us know how you get on xxx

You’ve had all the bloods done by the RMC haven’t you? The most useful thing about the print out was it has the normal ranges next to each result. I found it helpful to slowly go through it googling stuff I didn’t know about. He actually asked us specifically NOT to google anything but he must have known we would! After all my B12, ferritin, other blood crap, it’s just a massive relief there’s nothing wrong.

Not sure if we’re hoping your scan shows something or nothing? Must be the same sort of complicated feeling about any tests.

Share you dtd thoughts!

Is anyone using a baby lube?

Hi everyone, this looks like the thread for me. I had an ERPC yesterday having had a missed miscarriage. Baby had stopped growing at about 6 weeks and I was at 12 weeks with only very occasional spotting so it seemed like the best decision.

It's been a hugely sad and stressful time, but having hopefully had a successful procedure yesterday, I'm feeling much happier and starting to look to the future. I'm the sort of person who just wants to try again as soon as possible if I fail at something, so both my and my DH are keen to try to get pregnant again quickly.

What are your tips on how to go forward? I've got to take a pregnancy test in 2 weeks to check its negative. I'm a complete newbie at anything conception related though. Should I start taking temperatures? Ovulation tests etc? When should I start do you think? Help!!

Yeah I agree that relaxing isn't always really the best. The cycle I conceived was thr cycle my DH refers to as "bully shag" lol!!!

We're on a rota now, and yes SOOO frustrating seeing about thr "most fertile after MC" thing; not true at all!

Does anyone have any London reflexology recommendations?

Am also feeling a bit rubbish today as I can't plan any long exotic hols due to zikha/not taking malaria tabs etc. Was supposed to be going to the Caribbean with a group of friends and will feel so sorry for myself, there's so many fun places I want to go that are now vetoed boo!!

Tiffin'-- hugs to you, it's so rubbish. I would prepare tbh for a bit of a roller coaster of emotions over the next couple of months. It took me 6 weeks for my period to come , I've been drinking loads of raspberry leaf tea to help my endometrium. Accupuncture could help also.

Opk- I haven't been ever able to use them but maybe use cheapo ones until you have worked out when you ovulate.

Sprinkling baby dust!!

So sorry for your loss tiffin

It’s the most horrendous thing to happen, I had a mmc discovered at 12 week scan in November and it floored me. I hope you’ve had good care and someone’s looking after you.

I felt physically loads better after the surgery, tired and wobbly but af arrived 4 weeks later and wasn’t too bad. Wait till all bleeding’s stopped to dtd, rest a lot, eat well, don’t rush back to work too soon. And it’s up to you whether to wait till af arrives to try again. Everyone feels differently. It might not take 2 weeks to get a bfn but leave it at least a week.

I don’t temp or use opk but plenty of people do and you’ll get good advice here. If you have ov symptoms so can be pretty sure when it happens then you might not want to, but if you don’t then it’s useful to be able to check. The other advice is to dtd every other day once af is over so you’re covered for whenever it happens.

Mulder he’s a lucky man your DH

I just googled reflexology in my area and found someone who’d come to my house to do it. £40 an hour even with her coming to me and it’s worth every penny.

Anne
The plan I have been put on is high dose vitamin D, 75mg aspirin and pregnacare plus for 3 months before ttc. (I also added in ubiquinol as it's supposed to improve egg quality. The RMC were fine with me taking this too.)

Then the drugs I've been prescribed are prednisolone (steroids) to be taken from ovulation for 10 days. I've also been given ranatidine to take before the steroids to protect my stomach. If I get a bfn I stop taking them. If I get a bfp I carry on - I think until 12 weeks. I also have progesterone to take once a day once pregnant.

I've got a GP appointment to ask about high dose folic acid as well. My BMI is 29/30 and it's recommended to take 5mg folic acid with a higher BMI.

In addition to this, I've been following slimming world (fairly loosely!) to increase my fruit and veg intake. I've also started acupuncture.

I feel quite positive that I'm doing everything I can to make next time work. I find it easier to deal with the stress and emotional side of RMC by knowing that it's the hand I've been dealt and when I've miscarried it's not my fault. If I want another baby, I have to keep rolling the dice and try my best to keep my stress levels down.

xx

Sounds like they’re really on the case tiggy, thank you for sharing all that.

Is there something about pregnacare that’s better than other prenatal vits? I’m taking a vegan one off amazon, has high levels of everything including normal dose folic but I’m happy to switch. Also taking bit D but not a prescription one. It’s this:

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01H5TC47U/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=mumsnetforum-21

DH is on a generic bellman type.

Is the prednisone injected? The clexane is jabbed (into belly fat ). I only did 2 days on it as had the bad HCG tests. It stings but not too badly.

I might ask about folic acid from the GP. I have a normal BMI but I’m B12 deficient and have jabs for that as well (in the arm) and they’re connected. No side effects from a folic overdose I don’t think!

anne
I was recommended the Pregnacare for the Omega 3. You could take generic with an Omega 3 tablet but I just went with their suggestion.

I don't envy you on the clexane. I had to take it for a few days after my C-section and it was horrible. I had to get my DH to inject it into my tummy which was still a bit numb from surgery.

The prednisolone is a tablet you have to take in the morning after breakfast. It's supposed to turn you into an insomniac with mega carb cravings but I didn't get anything like that last month when I took it for the first time. I did get a nasty d and v bug which could have been due to lack of immune system. I'm taking that as a sign the drugs are doing what they're supposed to do!

Thanks for that, just had a look. I’m vegetarian and would have to get my head around taking fish oils…. But I’ll have a think and see if there’s an alternative. Really useful, thank you.

It said on the label is should be okay alongside aspirin and heparin and I think clexane is a form of heparin.

That’s good the pred is a pill. I rattle these days so what’s one more!

Really pleased to hear The RMCs are positive and give a plan. I was worried like Miami that it might be a case of nothing wrong =nothing to do. I'm aware the evidence basis for most treatments is pretty wobbly but I hate the idea that there's nothing that can be done.
At the moment I'm just taking seven seas trying for a baby vits but my reflexologist suggested ubiqinol or co Q10, and something for DH which I haven't done yet. I used aspirin after bfp last time.
We are currently waiting for first af after MMC before trying again, but generally I use OPKs just around cd 12 until ovulation (usually day 15 or 16) and we try and dTD 3 days in a row up to and including the day of ovulation which has done the trick for us for the last 3 times we conceived. Since my MMC I've had very long periods... 14 days... and I prefer to avoid DTD when still bleeding so there hasn't been much chance to dTD other than at ovulation.
For those whose plan includes steroids has there been any discussion about adrenal insufficiency?

Annelovesgilbert - it must feel great to have a plan of action and know you are going all you can to have a successful pregnancy next time around. I have about 8 more weeks until I get the blood test results from my clinic but hoping it nothing is found I still get given a course of action. I have also ordered a moonstone crystal on your recommendation which I am going to put on my bedside table. I've also ordered some clear blue digital ovulation sticks for April and I agree with the others that the months I have been pregnant are the ones we have DTD day prior and day of ovulation. Will be using that same method next cycle, shame it didn't work this month.

@doublechocolatetiffin. It took 4 weeks for my period to return after both my miscarriages and 5 weeks after ectopic. After the miscarriages we started trying again straight away however I've never fallen pregnant straight after a miscarriage, it's usually 2/3 cycles for me. Take the time you need and use this forum as it's a great place to chat, for advice and just someone to listen. Xx

Anne I'm also vegetarian and I looked up the website to check. It says the following are NOT safe for vegetarians due to the presence of beef derived gelatine and/or ingredients derived from fish: Pregnacare Breast-feeding, Pregnacare Max, Pregnacare New Mum, Pregnacare Plus, Pregnacare Stretch Cream, Pregnacare Stretch Mark Lotion. The following are safe for vegetarians: Pregnacare Conception, Pregnacare His & Her Conception, Pregnacare Liquid, Pregnacare Original (which is what I've stockpiled because they were on special in Asda!).

Thanks to everyone for being so frank and open about my DTD question/ discussion! We also tend towards humour about it--last week I told my DH to get himself on some kind of moisturising regimen down there because he wouldn't know what hit him, lol!

Anne
Oh and I use chia seeds or flax seeds in my daily breakfast smoothie to boost my Omega 3 (they have an excellent ratio of high Omega 3 to low Omega 6 fatty acids). Much cheaper than the vegan supplements.

Hi all
I am a bit all over the place today. Scan was grand, the lady was nice and said that doc would be in touch but that there didn't seem to be anything of concern. So that's good.
It was in the main preggos bit of the hospital so that was awful, I started crying and everything while we were waiting. There were loads of people having scans with their notes and all. It just felt so miserable. Fucking awful.
Anyway in terms of what people are taking, I am on high dose folic, c, all the b's, e (supposed to help with clotting/blood flow issues), selenium, maca root (blood flow and hormones), magnesium, calcium and ubiquinol. (Everything but the ubiquinol are in the likes of pregnacare or whatever anyway). I am taking them all separately though as wanted to get the doses the lady in "it starts with the egg" suggested. DH is on wellman conception. I actually rattle when I walk.

Anne we sometimes use baby lube. If it definite dtd time and we are both feeling a bit of pressure it generally helps us both feel less anxious.

Pressure wise, it's awful. Having said that we are having some truly awesome sex in amongst some of the more ordinary days. We seem to get preggers when we are relaxed and trying not to focus on it quite so much. I am still conscious of it all the time, so when I say we, I really mean when DH isn't feeling quite so much like he has to perform to a schedule!!

Thank you everyone, it it very reassuring to have some people to talk to about this. It's been so up and down, sometimes I feel absolutely fine, then the next minute I'm bawling my eyes out. You have inspired me to start taking pregnacare again though, I stopped the day I found out as it felt completely pointless, but I should be looking after myself. I have also ordered a set of cheap ovulation strips and pregnancy tests from Amazon, hopefully I can make them work.

Did anyone suffer with dizziness after an ERPC? I'm feeling pretty spaced out. I know it's probably because I'm doing too much but I find it hard to slow down.

How are you doing today Miami? That sounds so tough, I’m sorry.

Glad the scan itself seemed positive. They’d have said if there was anything obvious I think. I once had a fibroid picked up on a scan for a suspected cyst. Turned out it my appendix scar giving me grief and I’d never have known about the fibroid had I not been scanned for that. But that’s now disappeared as well.

That’s a lot of vitamins! But they must all be doing you good and it’s nice to feel you’re helping yourself.

We’ve used preseed and conceive+ and conceived on the latter. But the time before we weren’t using anything. Awesome sex is the best

WLM thank you so much for all that, super helpful. I shall stock up on flax and chia seeds, they’re meant to be good for everything anyway. Can you just eat them by the spoon?

14 day periods Wibble, bloody hell. Have you told your GP? If you’re not anaemic to start with you won’t be far off if you’re bleeding so much, you poor thing. No one’s mentioned adrenal insufficiency to me. Is it caused by or treated with steroids? Forgive me complete ignorance, I couldn’t be less medical!

Do you know anything about vitamin K and anticoagulants? I read K is needed for D absorption and “should” be okay with aspirin and clean but I’m now spiralling about that,

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I’m crampy and stabby and my boobs are bloody killing me, also having mad nightmares.

It’s so helpful to have people who get it to talk to tiffin, nothing is TMI or off limits.

If you’ve lost a lot of blood you’re going to feel weak and wonky for a while. Are you taking any iron? I was chugging back Floradix during my MMC. Eat something first then have a dose and follow up with water. It’s disgusting but it’ll help.

Take vitamins, eat as well as you can, sleep. Try and limit too much physical stuff for a bit. And be careful of your back. My Mum gave me hell for doing laundry and lucking a basket of wet clothes around a week after mine, apparently your ligaments stay soft for a while as you’re only recently not pregnant, so take it easy.

I think most of us probably rushed back to “normal” too soon, be it work or chores or just feeling like our down time should be over. It’s a mistake! I dragged myself out on a weekend away and a parade which involved standing in the cold for hours 4 days after my MVA and ended up in A&E that night with an infection. No one’s handing out prizes for struggling on.

Hi all,

Miami, sorry your scan was tough, but good news it looks okay.

Tiffin, it was so much the ercp as the general anaesthetic that knocked me sideways... or at least that's what I assumed. I was a complete space cadet for several days afterwards.

The 14 day periods are crap. Have always been regular 7days bleeding every 30 days until MMC in Dec. Had 14 days bleeding after that then two periods both 14 days which I just assumed was things settling down again, but then got pregnant again, mc between 5-6 weeks which resulted in 16 days bleeding! There's no smell or funny discharge and I'm well so don't think there's retained products, just wild hormones I assume. I have an appointment in a week or so so will check then.

Re steroids, any high dose steroid ( and 25mg day of pred for more than a week is high enough) switches off your body's cortisol ( endogenous steroid) production. Stopping steroids suddenly then leaves you deficient and can make you really sick. Tapering the dose minimises the risk, allowing your own adrenals to wake up again but I think there is still a risk so just wondered if it had been mentioned or not.

Hi tiffin I felt very wobbly any time I was up and about for a good 3/4 days after erpc.. Hopefully your feeling better soon.

Today stinks and is only just started..
Today my baby would have been due (from first miscarriage) its hard to think that if everything had gone to plan I'd be holding my baby in my arms today.
Instead I'm sitting here alone because to up it all off my husband is in bad form since yesterday over work and life in general.
I hate confrontation or seeing anyone else annoyed so even though I know it's not my fault I want to make it better I feel responsible and that's it's my job to fix things and if I don't then it will be my fault.
I don't know whether u want to scream, shout or cry right now. My stomach is telling me the half a jam sandwich I tried to count as dinner last night doesn't do it and to please feed it but I just feel ill when I start to eat.
Grr.. Sorry for the rant

I'm so sorry smurf . Be really kind to yourself today - do try and eat, but also give yourself the permission to do whatever feels best - even if that's screaming, shouting AND crying.

Just been catching up with everyone's news. I'm crossing my fingers very firmly for some lines in April for the lovely ladies of this thread, we really need some good news. for you all.

I take folic acid, the Boots preconception (seems to be a generic Pregnacare dupe?), Omega 3, Omega 3 6 9, magnesium and calcium. What should I add in, ladies?

I'm not OPKing this month because I needed a break and the time we conceived we were barely even trying, just DTDing when it felt right, so I'm trying that again this month. In a way it would be terrible to get pregnant right now because we'll (hopefully!) be completing on a house, moving and having our bathroom redone in the next two months so it would be bad to be in the first trimester. So I'm hoping that Sod's law means I WILL get pregnant now - and I'll be grateful for every single moment of nausea and fatigue! Here's hoping, anyway.

The jokes on me....CD1 today and have horrendous period pain. Here's to a BFP in April. @annelovesgilbert. My moonstone arrived yesterday I chose a rainbow one which I thought was fitting.

How are you getting on @keeponrunning.