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When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

40+ ttc: the one where we all get knocked up!

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ababsurdum · 30/08/2016 19:44

Shiny new thread. Here's the link to the previous one.

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furryminkymoo · 05/10/2016 07:16

Fuzzygreen get your iron levels up. Lots of lovely spinach. Exercise is good too

ababsurdum · 05/10/2016 08:38

Letsdothis41 the instructions tell you which day to start testing based on your cycle length. My cycle is about 27 days and I start testing on day 10. I usually ovulate on cd15 so get a +ve opk on cd14 but it has been as early as cd12 for a short cycle. Best of luck this month.

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MrFuzzyGreen · 05/10/2016 10:32

The witch stayed away!!! Huzzah!!!!! It's Game On for ivf this month! The consultant has put me on a short protocol, presumably because I'm so very old, so I'm off for my injection teach tomorrow! Yay!!!

MrFuzzyGreen · 05/10/2016 11:56

Letsdothis41 opks seem to work perfectly for some people but not everyone. I had a couple of months where there was a pattern of them getting darker, but never as dark as the control line, and then they got lighter again. I figured I didn't ov, but I had chemical pregnancies on those cycles, so I must have just missed the big surge or not produced enough hormone for the kit. This month I had several days of really strong positives, but no hint of a pregnancy. So for me, they've been a rough guide, but I'm not convinced that they mean much. I think ov pains, ewcm etc are more of a reliable indicator.

furryminkymoo · 05/10/2016 11:56

Fuzzygreen sending positive vibes your way!

wiltingfast · 05/10/2016 13:56

I lurk, I hope that's ok! Blush

Was on one of these threads a few years ago and alas have not succeeded in having a baby yet. 2 chems since, plus just had a mmc at 9w. All v depressing as you all know all too well.

Anyway, have now v belatedly decided that I'll throw supplements at it and see what happens for a few more months, before throwing in the towel (am 42).

I know this debate goes round and round a bit, but can I ask what level of ubiquinol you are taking and why?

I read it starts with the egg recently and as well as dumping all my plastic settled on 300mg of ubiquinol, but now wondering is that enough really?

In the post mc rush, I ran out and bought:

Ubiquinol 300mg

Alpha lipoic acid 600 mg
Multi pregnancy vitamin with omega in it.
Vit D 2000 IU (have no idea of my vit d levels)
Myoinositol 4g
Vit C 500mg
Vit B complex (active forms, inc folate)

Do these look useful? Am looking at them all now feeling a bit stupid tbh...

Bloopbleep · 05/10/2016 14:21

Congrats furry!
Good luck fuzzy!
Welcome wilting - I tried loads of supplements but nothing made a difference except vitex which reduced my lp and caused spotting. I find ubiquinol great for energy tho!

I'm on cd9 and dry as a bone down there points - usually I've got a bit of... well you know goo. I thought perhaps I was having ov ache on Monday (cd7) but that would be ridiculously early - but it would tie in with being so dry. Hoping it's a perfect later 14 day ov - needing some luck as I didn't win the euromillions...

MrFuzzyGreen · 05/10/2016 20:03

For any of you who are trying Chinese Herbal Medicine in ttc - I received my ivf protocol in the post today. It contained this alert:

We have recently see a number of couples who had unexpectedly poor fertilisation following IVF having previously had good fertilisation rates. Close questioning revealed that the patients had recently started taking Chinese Herbal Medicines and these were the only identifiable changes in their cycles. Recent advice from the Committee for Safety of Medicines has highlighted a variability in quality of ingredients in these Medicines and, more worryingly, on occasions high levels of heavy metal and other toxic residues.

FetchezLaVache · 05/10/2016 20:43

Hi everyone, can I join you? I'm 42, have a DS (6) and DP and I have just started trying. I'm not holding out much hope, because my cycles have been a bit weird this year - I've gone from four week cycles more or less like clockwork to around 3 weeks and 3 days. Does this mean the Big M for me?? :(

Letsdothis41 · 06/10/2016 01:37

Thanks Ababs and Fuzzy my cycle length is bang on 28 days every month and the Ovia app says I start Ovulation CD12 , I didn't notice any EWCM and haven't really for the past few months, more like clear liquid. it really is a minefield, I think I may get DH on it next month every other day from CD7 just to stay on the safe side up until AF shows up!!

Great news fuzzy that AF has stayed away and you can start this month

Welcome Wiltingfast and Fetch

A quick question, what is a Chemical Pregnancy?

FetchezLaVache · 06/10/2016 08:28

Thanks, Letsdo! I think it's a very early miscarriage, but it's a horrible term IMO...

Bloopbleep · 06/10/2016 19:50

Hey fetchez my cycles have been all over the place for the past two years going between 23 to 28 days - usually on the shorter side. I'm 41 but nowhere near periM according to my bloods. Maybe it's peri peri M - (Nando's menopause?)

Bloopbleep · 06/10/2016 19:52

A chemical pregnancy is where you get a positive test usually before af arrives but then af arrives either on time or a few days later. In the days before super sensitive tests women were usually unaware of ever having been pregnant

MrFuzzyGreen · 07/10/2016 09:53

Yep, it's also called a 'biochemical' in gynae terms (just reading my fertility report which says I've had 2 of 'em) and it means that the pregnancy was so early that it could only be confirmed with biochemical testing. So technically, all pregnancies start off as chemical pregnancies. Once the pregnancy can be confirmed by ultrasound it then becomes a 'clinical pregnancy'.

When I told my GP I'd had a chemical pregnancy she didn't know what I meant - she only uses the term 'early miscarriage', which I think better conveys the emotional reality of it.

My mum is sure she had 2 of them, even though it was before the days of early home testing, because she felt pregnancy-style poorly and then had very late & heavy periods. It's better these days to get them confirmed with pee sticks so that you can get tests done to investigate any obvious causes.

MrFuzzyGreen · 07/10/2016 10:05

Letsdothis41 I think clear watery cm is also classed as 'very fertile' so maybe you get that instead of ewcm. I'd still jump on DH whenever you see it!

Bloop, Nando's menopause!!!! Grin Like it! I think my cycles are getting a touch spicy too!

All ready to go with IVF. Got a fridge like a Lloyds Chemist, a file full of paperwork and an empty bank account. So AF decides, "nah, I'm going to go back to a nice long 28 day cycle this month, but with shed loads of cramping, just to play you like a fiddle"..... cheers body. I hate you too.....

Alibaba2 · 07/10/2016 14:44

Hi all,

Does anyone who what tests can be done on the NHS given that the ivf cut-off is age 40? Would they offer any blood tests to check hormones or ovarian reserve? Would a GP prescribe anything to increase fertility over 40?

Excuse my ignorance!

MrFuzzyGreen · 07/10/2016 15:32

I think it's depends on your nhs trust. I've had pre & post ovulation hormone tests (estrogen, progesterone, LH, prolactin, testosterone). These tests confirmed ovulation & sufficient luteal phase progesterone. I've also had tests for diabetes, thyroid function & sticky blood. My local trust won't do AMH, FSH, chromosomal screening or scans.

My GP didn't prescribe anything, but my tests were all normal. I think you'd need a referral to a fertility specialist for that, but I could be wrong.

Clara101 · 08/10/2016 07:16

Hi all, does anyone have advice on how soon ovulation comes after EWCM? Past few cycles my most fertile day going by CM is cd11... Ie that's when I get most ewcm. Cm is still a bit wet after that but sticky by cd14. But I don't get clear temp rise til cd15.

I guess the answer is to BD as much as poss throughout. But we both travel a bit for work so I want to understand which are most important days so can definitely avoid travel then..

Sorry I've not caught up upthread but wishing everyone much luck!

Oh and apols tmi!!

Caprimulgus · 08/10/2016 16:24

Hello everyone,

May I join you, or at least drop in to ask some advice?

I've been on MN a while, chatting about this and that but am using a different log-in for this, as it is that bit more personal.

In essence, I feel I've been incredibly naive and complacent and have just fallen back to earth with a bump, with the realisation that it is almost certainly too late for me now, to conceive a second child. I'm wondering what, if anything, might make any difference.

At 43.6 I think I'm well into peri-menopause, which started when I was 40.3 with shortened cycles - went from v reliable 26-28 days to 21-22, then, all over the place, with a mixture of long pauses and short cycles.

I have a 4yo dd, conceived and born while I was 38 (a delight and of course my position is very different to those without dc and who have lost them, to whom Flowers ).

I'd had a pg three months earlier, ending as a MMC at ten weeks. Followed by one period, then conception. We hadn't been trying before that, so my impression was that I conceive fairly easily.

Stupidly, given my age, we didn't start trying again until dd was 1.10, me 40.9. I was experiencing 3 month cycles then - which I saw as perhaps giving me more chances! Was pg again within two months but ended in a MC at 11.5 weeks and it transpired it was 'tissue' not a foetus.

Took two months after that before next period, as had to restore iron levels. Five months later pg again, MC at 7 weeks. Then pg three months later, saw moving foetus in scan at 10ish weeks, MC a week later at 11.5 weeks by when I was 42.2

Saw consultant at recurrent MC clinic four months after that. DP and I both had blood tests, all fine. Her conclusion was it was just a numbers game; time ticking, higher chance of MC but just to keep trying and she thought we had a good chance of success. Prescribed 5mg folic acid.

I'd seen my GP in the year when I was 40 and periods first went awry. Had blood tests and a scan, was told all fine and it was 'just something that happens as you get older'. What no-one said was 'blatant symptom of peri-menopause, which means likely menopause in 3-4 years' (as Google has now informed me). So that's like, now.

Things have been very erratic over the last year, with more gaps. No new pgs. So, now thinking that might be it, the end.

So, what I'd really like advice on, is what drugs or treatments might be a possibility, to scare out any last remaining eggs. I've made a GP appointment.

The whole realm of 'treatment', even timing and measuring, or adjusting lifestyle, has been outside my experience to date. I can always feel very clearly when I'm fertile, (though could have missed any that didn't feel obvious perhaps), so we've just got on with it.

This will sound ridiculous, it is but I have put on a bit of fat around the middle recently and heard a programme this week about the causes of middle-aged spread - drop in oestrogen. Penny dropped. Looked up peri-menopause. Bollocks. I'd always thought I 'knew' that menopause was around 50 (average 52, yes) and, that if you started periods early, you reached MP late, if later, earlier. I started at 12 (quite early when I was that age) so thought I'd reach MP lateish. Of course I knew fertility declines and risk of MC goes up but was still a bit optimistic. Not so now.

Sorry that was very long and thanks in advance for any advice.

Bloopbleep · 08/10/2016 20:21

Hi caprimulgus - I'm sorry to hear of your mcs. In our 40s the quality of our eggs can decline long before the numbers do. That doesn't mean all eggs are in some way damaged. You're still getting pregnant despite sadly ending in mc which gives you a good chance of catching a good egg when it pops. If you want to gauge if you're in periM get your AMH and fsh checked and maybe your estrogen too. symptoms can go haywire for any number of reasons and it's true that the older we get the more haywire they get but that doesn't mean menopause is imminent. PeriM can last 10 or more years and you're still fertile in that time. As long as you're having periods and everything else checks out as fine then you're still capable of pregnancy. Good luck!

Bloopbleep · 08/10/2016 20:23

As for me, I'm using my piss stained secondhand cbfm and I got my first ever peak!!!! My icopk also positive... surely this means I might actually pop an egg this month... now to persuade oh to dtd. Managed twice in past few days can I squeeze some more out of him?
Oh and my throats hurts so I'll be a really sexy shag :(

Caprimulgus · 08/10/2016 20:42

Hi Bloobeep, thanks so much for responding. My last period was in July, so I don't even know if I'm still having them. Btw, when I said 'three month cycles' at age 40.9 I meant three week. But more recently, anything goes.

Good luck with your popping egg!

Alibaba2 · 08/10/2016 21:15

Hi Clara (further down the thread)!

Really hard to say on the ewcm.

I ov overnight from cd11-12. Last cycle I got ewcm on cd6,8,14,17!

Are your cycles regular and do you get any other ov symptoms?

Your most important days are probably 11,12,13.

But sperm stays alive in ewcm so if you get it, do it!

Good luck!

Bloopbleep · 09/10/2016 19:54

I'm a bit confused as I ovulated this evening (I felt it) but I also felt pain on the other side which I've never had before at ov (although that does happen leading up to af) - is that normal?

Mowly75 · 09/10/2016 22:35

Hi Alibaba2 It must depend on your trust - I got a bunch of tests including FSH & progesterone tested via my GP although good luck getting anyone to explain the results to you. Blimmin nightmare, desperately googling numbers with no idea what they actually mean. SIGH