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Fabulous forty + ttc and having success!

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TwinklyMusic · 26/02/2016 07:26

Old thread just about finished. Here is a new one... Fx for lots of well earned BFPs for those ttc over forty. We also welcome stories from those who have successfully had their babies over forty and we love hearing back from our graduates.

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Kkmuppet · 17/03/2016 14:35

Thanks ababs and yes that's how I feel. I wanted a living sibling for my dd and still do. The fact that we nearly got there doesn't change anything really as we still don't have the family we ideally want.
Anyway I can definitely say I ovulated this month as I just got back from Create. They scanned me and found a very low antral follicle count of one on one side and three on the other. Everything else looked really good and healthy though which is good news. They have recommended a package of three cycles of modified natural Ivf where they give you a tiny bit of stimulation for a few days to help things along. They then collect what eggs they can, do ICSI (for anyone over 43 they reccomend it) and freeze any embryos ready for one transfer at the end. This way you collect eggs in consecutive cycles with no delay and apparently has the best chance of success. BUT for someone my age (44) it is only a slim chance. I think with everything included it will cost about £12k for the three cycles so will take a lot of thinking about.

joeywife · 17/03/2016 16:44

Congratulations Kitten. I really hope that this pregnancy is successful for you. Wishing you all the best.
kkmuppet so sorry to read your sad story about Ruby Rose. What a dreadful situation. I hope you get some good news soon. I haven't heard of Create. What is it that they do differently from regular IVF? £12k for 3 cycles sounds a bit cheaper than IVF so I'm assuming less drugs?
Cd27 here for me. No sign of any spotting as yet which is good news for me as the last couple of cycles before IVF I was spotting on cd25, so it looks like they have lengthened a little. Expecting af to arrive in the next couple of days.

Kkmuppet · 17/03/2016 17:53

joeywife create specialise in natural and mild Ivf where yes less drugs are used. They don't down regulate, just work with your natural cycle but boost it a bit. Obviously you get way less eggs but for older women it's better as you are less likely to respond to the Ivf protocol anyway. This way encourages the egg that your body has naturally selected as well as maybe one or two more if you are very lucky. Then they recommend ICSI as apparently older eggs can have a less efficient mechanism to shut out multiple sperm and can also be harder for the sperm to penetrate. Basically this gives you a slightly better chance than naturally trying as you are more likely to get an egg and that egg is more likely to be fertilised. That's how I understood it anyway!
Fingers crossed no spotting for you.... Unless it's implantation of course :-)

joeywife · 17/03/2016 18:43

Thanks kk. That sounds very similar to the IVF process that I have just been through. At my clinic they called it a 'short protocol'. Basically I took clomid on days 2-6. They then scanned me and if there were sufficient follicles (more than 3 over 9mm) then they start the drugs. Then drugs injections for about 6-7 days depending on how they develop. Finally the trigger shot which is roughly in line with when you would normally ovulate, before collection 36 hours later. They did offer icsi, but advised that we didn't need that as dh's sperm was ok (and don't we know about it!!). So it sounds very similar. I found it to be fairly simple and stress-free and as it follows your cycle, you only have about 2 weeks of 'activity' and then the 2ww, so it's a fairly quick process and not that long taking the drugs. Best of luck if you decide to go ahead.
Feeling a bit crampy here and also nauseous. I've been at this game long enough though to know that doesn't mean anything, so I'm having a glass of wine just to prove that I'm not even considering having had any luck this month!!

ababsurdum · 17/03/2016 20:27

Kkmuppet, sounds interesting. At what stage do they freeze the embryos? How many embryos would they transfer at the end? Yes £12k makes it quite a big decision doesn't it and all with no guarantee of success of course. I'm sure whichever decision you make will be the right one for you.

IAteSomeofthePies · 17/03/2016 23:02

Hi all. I'm glad to see such a flurry of activity! Hope all you women near to the big O got some good swimmers for this round.

I'm another on the 'grateful to have one, should I really push my luck' bandwidth. I know how lucky I already am. I know many families don't get even the longed for one. But I would love one more!

Hope everyone else is doing well. Good luck sorting out the thyroid, Chewy. Being hypo is no fun. Poor you, Fatty, that sounds dreadful! Wow, that was all sounding great until you got to the £12k bit, kk. Sigh. Oh, and welcome and congrats, kitten. Sorry, too tired to remember everyone else, and in on my phone so can't scroll back. Hope you're all doing well.

As for me: cd6; FFC day 1. Check. Possibly yesterday could have been FFC day 1, but I still had some spotting. couldn't be arsed Heavy AF this month for a change. I'm hoping this means good things for my lining getting back to normal with the breastfeeding.

IAteSomeofthePies · 17/03/2016 23:16

Sorry, and for those following along at home, FFC is obviously the FattyFishwife Challenge!

MattsMamma · 18/03/2016 11:38

Hi Ladies ! Can I join you ? Well re-join actually. I've been lurking for ever. Was on a while ago around the time when Gum was on bless her. Hello if your lurking GUM xx. I can't always post but I am always checking in and lurking about. I am 46 - had 2 chemicals about a year and a half ago but not a sniff of a positive since. On a real downer at the moment as AF came yesterday. Initially my dh wasn't as keen to try for what would (will!) be number 3 but seem to have got him on board now so that's a plus. I keep telling myself to get a grip and pack it all in but there is this bloody need/urge deep inside which I just can't explain and I just can't give up not yet. Trying to feel positive. However I have other issues such as hypothyroidism and Immune issues so I must truly be bonkers! I have had 2 mc at 12 weeks and too many chemicals but onwards and upwards!!! Lots of luck for us all this month!! xx

ababsurdum · 18/03/2016 14:27

Pies congrats on starting the FFC! I hope all that action works for you. At the very least it will be good exercise and your dh will think he's won the lottery Wink. Have you explained the FFC to him?

Mattsmama welcome. I'm sorry you're having such a tough time ttc #3. Have you had any tests or spoken to a doctor about it?

Cd15 here, too early for anything

Gsmummyinthehut · 18/03/2016 20:40

Evening all
I'm one day ahead of you ababsurdum...i'm just trying to put it to the back of my mind this month given we only got out of the blocks once over the crucial time. And then trying to mentally prepare myself for an EOD next cycle..! Also have to get my results of my pelvic U/S next week but mainly get my bloomin' dh to go and get his test done..

Pies ultimate respect for the FFC..very impressed.

Fingers crossed for you kitten.

Kkmuppet thanks so much for sharing about how your visit to Create went..when you read the testimonials they make you think everyone gets a success instantly so it's good to hear the more realistic version. Good luck with making your minds up.

hallo and welcome Mattsmama.. good to have another 46-er on here! (makes me feel less bonkers!)

Kkmuppet · 18/03/2016 21:24

ababs totally forgot to ask when they freeze the embryos but I did ask about how many and they will transfer up to three. For over 40s they recommend more rather than less as chance of one sticking is relatively small so risk of multiples is v low.
Welcome mattsmamma!
pies I hope the effort is all worth it - I was SO happy when the scan showed I had ovulated so we didn't have to dtd for a few nights and I could get more sleep.
CD 17 here and counting down the days til I can test. I ovulated on the side that still has a tube this month so chances are a bit higher....
Fingers crossed to all on the 2ww and I know there's a lot of us

Rugby01 · 18/03/2016 22:26

Hi everyone. Lots happening on here... KK - sounds interesting about Creative, but a big decision. Good luck talking about it with oh and deciding.

Pies - good luck with FFC! I nearly managed it this month... Everyday from cd10-20 except one! Now on the tww... fertility friend has awarded me a 'high' for my attempts. I feel like I've just been graded an A for effort!

Ababs- how is the wait for you? How many dpo are you do you think? I'm 3dpo today... Symptom spotting of course. Are you?

Congratulations, kitten. Good to hear successes! And hello Mattsmama- sorry for your losses and your difficult times. Did you conceive #1 and #2 naturally in your 40s?

MattsMamma · 19/03/2016 11:09

Thanks for the welcome ladies 😀

Re-read my post and thought would clarify a bit RUGBY

I had my first DS now aged 9 when I was 37. I had a MMC at aged 34 and it took me a long time to get over it as was very traumatic in lots of ways hence not trying again until I was 36. Unfortunately after having my first DS I was quite poorly and also developed hypothyroidism. Basically it took me a while to get back to normal and I didn't feel able to try for another for a while and actually remained quite oblivious to the age thing. Anyway felt ready aged 40 and then had the misfortune of another MMC at around 13 weeks. Devastating. Had a few chemicals and eventually decided to have investigations and was under Dr Shehata for immune issues and for thyroid antibodies which both cause miscarriage. NHS had been pretty useless up to now. They did advise on aspirin daily 75 mg before and during pregnancy and said for some reason they don't know why but it seems to help women actually get pregnant and also gave me high dosage folic acid which is prescription only. Dr Shehata agreed with this too. Anyway in the first month of trying under Shehata aged 42 and being slightly overweight I got pregnant straight away and had another beautiful boy. I am so blessed. I love them both dearly. The NHS continually said it was my age and weight causing a problem but obviously was the immune issues as under the meds no problems.

Sorry for the long post just wanted to clarify. Anyway for about three years now I have know I wanted a third - dh was totally against for a long time but after seeing how much it means to me he's on board with trying. A combination of not dtd enough and him working away sometimes hasn't helped but I'm just not ready to give up yet.

CHEWY. Noticed your recent points about hypothyroidism. Is it hashi's.? I take selenium and I believe it is supposed to really help with the antibodies - just a thought for you. I take 100 much daily thyroxine I addition to all the other vits and supplements etc!

On a positive note I have recently been informed of a 47 year old having her first child. This with one ovary and being told all of her adult life it would never happen. Makes you think doesn't it?

Sorry for long post!!

ababsurdum · 19/03/2016 13:25

Rugby I think I ovulated on Tuesday, cd12, so that puts me at 4dpo today, the same as you. Really not certain though - it's based on ovarian twinges and cervical mucus since I'm not temping. We dtd cd13 too but if I've ovulated later than that I would have missed it. I'm not symptom spotting yet but give me time...

Kkmuppet I had two embryos transferred on day 5 during my IVF and my clinic was ok with that given my age. We only had two left by then anyway - 12 eggs collected and 9 fertilised but only two made it as far as 5 days and I was only just 41 then. Goes to show the odds over a year of ttc.

Mattsmama it sounds like you've had quite a lot to overcome. I'm sorry for the losses that you've suffered. Fingers crossed you get your longed for third child, I'm glad your dh is onboard now.

ababsurdum · 19/03/2016 15:06

Sorry Kkmuppet I didn't mean that to sound so negative. I know people who conceived on their first round of IVF.

FattyFishwife · 19/03/2016 15:24

hi ladies, happy weekend to you all.

im out this month, AF decided to come early, to surprise me...what a charming house guest!!

well 2 more cycles before i hang up my ovaries for good!

Rugby01 · 19/03/2016 16:06

Hi Fatty - sorry about AF arriving. Hope you are ok.

Rugby01 · 19/03/2016 16:14

Mattsmama - thanks for sharing your story. Sounds like you've been through some tough times. Glad you are on here and going for it again - and love the story of the 47 year old. I really think society has got to change its views on people over 40 having children. The stats must change as more and more of us do it. and then they don't keep citing the figure of 35 being when fertility drops (as if nature itself is counting up numbers like it uses years in the same way as humans do and reaches 35 and says 'right that's it').

Rugby01 · 19/03/2016 16:16

*i meant 'they won't keep citing...'

ababsurdum · 19/03/2016 16:49

Oh Fatty, I'm sorry lovely Sad
Get on the pate and wine tonight to help you feel better. Big hugs xx

Kkmuppet · 19/03/2016 17:30

ababs don't worry I know the reality - we had three goes at Ivf when I was a sprightly 39-40 yo and had a mmc, an ectopic and a bfn so it's never worked for me before. Right now I am just looking at any option that might improve our chances before my ovaries dry up for good :-)
fatty sorry and I hope this cycle is the one!

Beegee3 · 19/03/2016 18:12

Hello ladies x welcome newbies - sorry for the tough times, this thread is a great support/outlet x 😠fatty sorry the witch arrived, you certainly win the prize for effort and seem to have inspired many with the FFC!
Sorly I am a bit behind with the thread, hope you're all okay? Flowers x

TwinklyMusic · 19/03/2016 18:33

Flowers Fatty!

Hi Matts Sorry things have been so hard. Hopefully it will start to work out soon.

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ChewyGiraffe · 20/03/2016 01:45

Gosh, great to see so much activity! Doing nothing much more exciting here than waiting for DP's allergy results, but have enjoyed (trying to) catch up on all the news:

Kitten3 - many congratulations on your BFP! What did you decide on aspirin? You shouldn’t need to worry about implantation as that happens 6 – 10 days after fertilisation, so you’ve done that bit! Some advice I had on aspirin from the implantation (recurrent miscarriage) clinic in Coventry was actually NOT to take it pre-conception as it might adversely affect enzymes in womb lining required for implantation. However, could start taking 75mg daily from later in first tri (I think about 7 – 8 weeks) if desired, to start to protect against pre-eclampsia.

Kkmuppet - I would’ve imagined that what happened to Ruby Rose was due to the ICP having been previously undiagnosed, yet the circumstances you describe are truly horrific. Flowers My heart breaks for you when you say that looking back you should’ve insisted additional bloods were taken. Whilst it must only be natural to go through the what ifs, surely when you were so acutely poorly yourself (especially when they KNEW you had ICP) you were entitled to expect your HCP’s to do their f**kin’ job? However, at very least it sounds like your consultant will be doing everything possible to safely manage you next time, quite rightly.

Fascinating to read your posts on Create modified natural IVF. Interesting they recommend ICSI for anyone over 43 – although in my case, I know we would need IVF with ICSI in any event, after finding that DP has a high level of antisperm antibodies. But I think the most persuasive is the proposal you describe for 3 consecutive cycles, with embryo banking. If they’d expect to retrieve 1 – 3 eggs per cycle, the prospect of achieving 3 – 9 frozen embryos in that relatively short space of time seems very exciting.

Couple of questions: [1.] would the £12K include all your treatment costs, including drugs? If so, it doesn’t seem expensive (well, relatively speaking in IVF terms) as the clinic I enquired with was going to work out at around £6.5K for just one stimulated cycle on short protocol. [2.] Did they say what drugs you’d be taking? I’d had 225iu Gonal F proposed, which I think was supposed to be a fairly moderate dose for my age.
Anyway, I’m now thinking, for myself, that this embryo banking approach is seriously worth thinking about. Perhaps you’ve heard of an IVF clinic in New York called CHR who claim to have been the initiators of DHEA treatment? I remember reading somewhere that if they achieve 5 eggs from a 45 year old they would still give her a 20% chance of successful pregnancy – wish I could find the thing now.

Joeywife - good to hear you’ve skipped any spotting. Are you now CD29/30? Can we be getting excited???? FX for you.

IAteSomeofthePies - Are you still breastfeeding? I’m hoping the reason I can’t remember how old your DC is, is because it’s late and not that I need be concerned about some early onset dementia ...
How’s the FFC going – hats off to your dedication!

FattyFishwife - Oh rubbish (not what I felt like writing) for AF arriving! But given that the most hardcore of try-if-you-dare SMEPs (sperm meets egg plans) is now named in your honour, could you not perhaps be tempted to hang up your 2 month deadline instead, rather than your ovaries? I agree, necking supplements is a total pain, but paring down your regime to just folic acid would be super cheap and you’ll be DTD every day anyway! However, let’s be positive – here’s hoping for no need for any extension and this month is absolutely your month.

MattsMamma - thanks for re-joining the thread! Very best of luck in your quest for DC3, just remember, it's worked twice already ...
Yes I remember Gumblossom too and always enjoyed reading her posts. Well you know, apart from the sad ones – I’d so wished her success with her last pregnancy when she was what, 48? Hope she’s OK too and enjoying the Aussie sunshine.
I’m so sorry for your losses, Flowers but then what a wonderful result on your very first try with Dr Shehata! (Good job you never took the doom mongers at face value.) Were you on Prednisolone prior to ovulation – and is that what you’re doing at the moment?

Thanks for your note on hypothyroidism. No, I don’t think mine is Hashi’s, although given how unstable it’s been over the past year you might well think so. I first tested clinically low/borderline in my 20’s when I had a period of depression that didn’t lift, until was put on (low dose) Thyroxine and bam, started to pick up immediately. Bizarrely once that was over, GP took me off it again. Didn’t re-start on medication until I was over 40, after years of feeling frankly a bit shit. Honestly think no one had bothered re-testing in the meantime just because I was quite thin (well size 8, more like a 10 now, but that’s another story). I do have Thyroid antibodies (although not TrAb) but didn’t know there was any other treatment except Thyroxine – I take 75mcg daily, so not loads. I’d previously been very stable on 50mcg daily (more in 2nd & 3rd Tri when pg with DD), but last year blood tests were all over the place, so I went onto 75mcg. It wasn’t helped by losing about 10lbs quickly after a bereavement and pneumonia simultaneously, when I went over-active (over-medicated) for a while and my periods stopped. Doctors shrugged and suggested it was menopause, but thankfully my endocrinologist is more enlightened. (The lost weight is pretty much back on again though, bah!)
News to me on the Selenium – how much do you take daily? That would be easy enough to start, surely. Can you continue taking it at the same dose if pregnant?

Wotsits - hope you're still around? Hope you're making progress with persuading DP to see the light?

Waves and masses of baby dust to Beegee, Twinkly, Ababs, Rugby – any tests coming up soon?

IAteSomeofthePies · 20/03/2016 09:11

Hi All

FFC is going well. No, I haven't explained to DH, ababs. He's of the 'I'd rather not know when you are in your cycle, let's just have lots of sex' persuasion. When we moved in together 5 years ago, his target was twice a day. We don't hit that standard anymore! But he's very happy to have sex whenever an opportunity presents, so no explanations needed. He did say that he'd assumed we weren't ttc any more as we were having sex so infrequently. I looked back and it was 12+ times per cycle! But don't give me too much credit, all, until we actually achieve the FFC. Sorry to hear that you're out, Fatty. Maybe Chewy is right, and you could continue with the folic acid and the mad sexual prowess might lead to the right result, even if you're not officially ttc? Though I totally understand how difficult it can be to be casual about it.

Matts I have hashimoto's. My whole family do. I've been on 200 mcg of levothyroxine for years and years. Tell me about this selenium.

Yup, Chewy still breastfeeding and cosleeping with our 18 month old. So there are some logistical challenges for the FFC, especially as we have house guests at the moment.

Joey hope not spotting is a good sign.

Rugby fingers crossed that your A for effort pays off!

kk I hope you (and all of us) buck the odds.

Baby dust to everyone!