Pom Poms, Placards and Picket Lines. The Berries are putting up the barricades and will not be crossed! A delightful bunch of 30 something Ladybros TTC #1.

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The Berries have strict entrance criteria: TTC #1 for 12 months+, over 30, NO instadiffers, must have a special pimping pot and absolutely no mention of baby dust/dancing. Not that we're fussy!

Current Ladybros:

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. Some high NK cell immune treatment. IVF#1 Short protocol Jul'14 BFN; IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb'15 both Long protocol BFNs; Natural FET Jun'15 - Another BFN. Trying to work out what to do next.



Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 3 failed ICSI cycles, 1 failed FET and 1 abandoned cycle due to poor response. Awaiting next and final cycle with own eggs hopefully Feb/March time. HATE THIS SHIT!!



Beaky 35, ttc 3 yrs, 2x failed iui 1 long protocol ivf cancelled, 2 short protocol IVF both BFN, very low amh/poor responder etc. 3rd IVF in January.



Tigerdog, 35, ttc since Jan 2013. Unexplained. IVF #1 chemical pregnancy. Currently redoing tests in preparation for IVF #2.



barkingtreefrog 36, ttc since Dec 2011. clomid bfp summer 2013 then mc @7 weeks, iui bfp summer 2014 then mc @6 weeks. Factor V leiden thrombophilia diagnosed at the repeat mc clinic. IUI bfn Jan 2015, IVF bfn April/May 2015. FET bfn August 2015, remaining frozen embryo perished. Private tests showed high nk cells activity and th1/th2 as well as mthrfr gene. Started downregging for long protocol ivf in Oct 15 plus two intralipid drips, and got pg. Third mc @ 6.4 weeks despite heparin, intralipids, metafolin and prednisolone. Last Ivf attempt starting February 2016 then on to adoption. 



Kuma - 40. TTC 2.9 years. Low AMH high FSH - DH antisperm ABs. Failed IVF June 14 and March 15, cancelled cycle June 15. Last try Jan 16. 



Lucieloos, 36, Low AMH & sperm motility. ICSI#1, April 2015, Czech Republic, BFN. Icsi#2, cancelled before EC. Icsi#3 & 4, Embryo Banking. 3 blasts in freezer. Icsi#5 in Czech in Jan. NHS cycle in Feb / March.




Sesame, 40, ttc 2 years with no dp, multiple failed IVFs, 4 ETs, 1 bfp followed by mc, poor responder with v low AMH, but still looking for the golden egg.

Nolly, 33, TTC 3 years, 1 confirmed MC, 2 more suspected. still in limbo. 



Funkymonk 33. Ttc since October 2012. Mc June 2013, Mmc dec 2013, mc June 2014. Factor v Leiden thrombophilia. Abandoned IVF Jan 2015 due to thin lining. Abandoned FET Aug 2015 due to thin lining. 4 embies on ice. Currently experimenting with different cycles in an attempt to thicken lining.

Clem, 39, ttc since 2013. diagnosed with anovulation by nhs so on a course of clomid. no male factor issues. all other test results have come back okay inc. ovarian test reserves. currently being referred back to nhs for single funded cycle.

Nolly, 33, TTC 3 years, 1 confirmed MC, 2 more suspected. Starting IVF in January.



Antonia79 36, ttc #1 since 2009, adhesions made for sticky insides & one tube removed, confirmed NHS IVF route Sept 15, TTC naturally again as recommended by doctor until IVF cycle starts (early - mid 2016) if not conceived by then.



Grin - 35, TTC 3 years, NFI why I can't get pregnant,, 3 X failed clomid attemots, 2 X ICSI failed fertilisations, 1 x IVF BFN. Doing another cycle in Mar 2016 and thinking of embryo donation.



The Roll of honour:

Pip - Quite simply the Best In Show.
Lumen - The Legend that is....

grin your skype appointment sounds promising...and a new approach, could be a really good thing.

barking sorry to hear your house shit continues to drag on....keep your chin up, it will happen.

forty hope you are holding up okay, and feeling a bit positive (we all know how hard it it can be)

tiger what a pain in the arse that round trip was...sounds like the sort thing that happens to me a lot me, scatty...noooo

seasame glad you are feeling a bit more normal this week. sorry to hear about the random grandchild pic.

smidge hey there traveller, glad the moving is going okay.

waves to beaky and everyone else

so update from this side...had my 21 day planning appointment earlier, and things are looking better, but not quite where we want to be (a month ago, I had those 4 cysts), as of today, I have 1 left each side. they do seem to be collapsing (def. smaller than a month ago), so she is hopeful they are on they way to be disappearing altogether. I've been told them to ring on cd1, book in for another scan to check whether they have gone, and then based on what they find, they will decided on whether we can proceed this month. so still feel a bit in limbo, and hate the fact I don't know if we are starting this cycle or not.

on the plus side, I did pick up my meds for the short protocol, and the nurse let me have a practice with water, so I now don't have any fear of the needle, because it didn't hurt at all.

so just need af to rock up, and then we'll know if we can move forward...

The uncertainty is a killer clem. I was naffed off at being put back by two days, don't think I would have responded well to any more delays!! Fingers crossed for your baseline scan showing that you can get started.

Certainly sounds interesting grin!

Sorry to hear about more moving delays barking. When do you start stims? I had spare burserelin from my last cycle too, but annoyingly not with me!!

Hope you're doing ok forty.

beaky have you done any more grappling with your spreadsheet? Hope you're feeling a bit closer to a plan.

My scan today showed a much reduced lining at 3.6mm and quiet ovaries, so I'm good to go, thankfully. Starting merional at 300iu and then next appointment on Saturday morning for bloods.

Ooh and a question:

If today is day one of stims, is there much chance that EC would happen later than day 14? I am very much doubting it but MrT has a minor op booked in for what would be day 15 and doesn't want to cancel it.

grin ooh, interesting appointment. Does that mean you’re now thinking of doing another fresh ivf cycle?

forty did you make a decision about early testing?

barking the wifey from the train did eventually move on from the grandchildren to tell me all about her dogs, past and present, photos too. Really sorry about the move date, could we send the berry barricade over to sort that lot out?

clem glad you had better news at your appointment, really hoping you can get going once af rocks up. What meds will you be on?

tiger So glad that you’re finally good to go. Yes I think it’s possible for EC to happen later than day 14 – that would mean taking trigger 2 days before, so after 12 days of stims, which I think is probably fairly typical. Much depends on how you respond, when I did LP, it took me 21 days of stims before I triggered for EC – granted this was more to do with my low ovarian reserve than anything else. If you don’t mind holding off, is it possible you could give it 5-7 days to see how you respond, and then make a call on the op?

Smidge I wonder if the ERA would have been helpful for you then. What a shame you didn't get a transfer this cycle. Fx for this cycle being the one. How's the logistics of the move going?

Sesame yes I can go as much as I like but they've cancelled my next appointment for some reason and don't have anything til April. Also I like to go without dh haha. Your journey sounds hellish. Although I will be that dog lady one day Hope you're feeling ok about everything.

Tiger hooray to starting stimming! Finally! What a shitty night you had too, at least you got the drugs though. I had merional on my first cycle, ahh the memories!! How are you feeling now? I usually always had ec on my actual day 14 after stims for 10 days.

Barking I really hope your chain gets it shit together ASAP, this has been going on months now. How are you feeling about your cycle? I totally agree about the giving up thing, this baffled me for a while til I thought yeah people must still live in hope.

Grin your consultation with the newby sounds interesting - will this be a fresh cycle instead of d/embryo? I had a good chuckle about you burying your dh.

Forty when will you test then? Fx for you

Clem that sounds promising! Fx those last two are gone when you have your baseline. I hate cysts they are such a pain.

I've got my amended protocol from new fc, going to see about cracking on with that net cycle but since af was really early this time I don't know if I can do the new dates because of work I think I'm going to go ahead with them but I have my final final wtf at old clinic tomorrow. I'm hoping to get an honest appraisal of my beakryos from the embryologist and hopefully some good advice from the consultant. Then I think we will decide for sure. If anyone has any suggestions of what else I should ask tomorrow do let me know! I just want an honest opinion about things and some decent recommendations. Arghhh.

beaky good luck with your appointment. I can't think of anything else to ask but I really hope it's useful. I'm feeling alright, I forgot how much of a faff the mixing is - 4 individually boxed powders - there must be a more convenient way of doing things!!

Good luck with your appointment today beaky!

Morning Ladies, I havent tested yet, I had an interview yesterday afternoon and didnt want to test before it and honestly completely forgot to test this morning. I may test tomorrow or saturday if I can remember to store my fmu in my pimping pot i was torn between a chewbacca mug we never use any more and a plain glass nutella jar (I went with the nutella jar)

BeakyGood luck with the appointment this morning :).
Tiger Excellent news on your start date :)
Clem Fingers crossed the cyst 'does one' and you can start your cycle soon.
Grin at the description of the consultant
Barking Bloody hell this chain of house buyers you're in sound like a nightmare.

Urgh Tiger Is that with the merional ? I had 6 boxes In the end i wondered if I could have shoved it all into one syringe rather than two as its massive amounts of faff.

Wtf appointment was interesting, it was the head consultant (wasn't expecting that) and he spent a lot of time with us talking things through. I thought they would be kicking us out but no! He reckons our problem is about egg quality rather than anything else. He did discuss immunes stuff and gave me some info about the biopsy for nk cells, but felt that it's probably not our issue as the other tests we had were normal. They are happy for us to cycle again with them if we want to but it's not very cheap and obvs it would be the same protocol. He asked if we wanted to talk about donor eggs which we did and because of the shortage in the uk and to support their patients they have two clinics they recommend for this, which they've vetted themselves and the treatment standards and quality of donor investigation etc is very high. It's expensive but I think you can get a refund of some of the cost if it doesn't work. Anyway I'm really keen to look into it properly so the nurse who deals with this at my fc is going to get in touch with us. I'm thinking I may do one more oe cycle then do a de cycle clearly think I'm made of money I just want this all over with.

Anyway, Forty fx for testing!

Tiger when's your first scan?

Barking any house news? How's dr going?

Glad it was a useful appointment beaky. Are the clinics they recommend ones you know about or are they different? One more oe then de sounds like a good plan. Did the consultant think egg quality because they couldn't pinpoint another reason? Did they think you could do anything to improve it?

I have an appointment at 9am on Sat for bloods. Not sure if they scan. Then it's scans and bloods on Mon/weds/Fri.

Yep forty it's merional. Last time I had 150 ones in a multipack, this time it's faffy individually boxed little ones - I hate excessive packaging!

How are you sesame?

I did my last Ashtanga class for a while tonight. Might do vinyasa flow next Mon and then I think I'll have to knock it on the head. Was bloody pregnancy yoga before my class tonight, all these happy, glossy pregnant women filing out the classroom. Felt a bit gutted on the way in.

Second stims done, timetable in place, acu sessions planned in. Am feeling quite ordered about it all, am just waiting for the mental to set in....

You sound very organised Tiger so sorry about stupid preggo yoga class, this kind of thing makes me super sad these days. I deliberately didn't go to an important work meeting the other day as the woman is pg and smug as fuck. Well hopefully bloods and scan if you get one on sat will be spot on. Are you managing with all the meds ok? Is it buserelin and merional only or do you have others too? My New clinic protocol is clexane and prednisone throughout the cycle, I thought they were after ec but what do I know.

The two clinics they recommend are new to me, I've only looked at one so far online and it looks very fancy. He thinks the problem is low response therefore not much quality and out of 11 we've had 3 top quality ones (2 of which went back in one cycle) one average one and two poor ones that we transferred. Added to that, my additional tests were all normal so it doesn't indicate any other issues. He did say that implantation is the area the experts know least about too. He and the embryologist said you couldn't do anything about your egg quality and its not a constant anyway. I really worry about spending the money on de (it's a lot) and still not having a result at the end though.

I feel ill berries! if I move I think I'm going to be sick so I'm just lying in bed wondering what to do with myself. I also have a severe upset stomach.

Anyone else felt like this due to merional? I was fine on menopur last time as far as I can remember, although I'm on double the dose I started off with, which might explain it.

grin crazy bloke sounds like he has a different plan, which is always refreshing.

Clem fingers crossed for more shrinkage.

tiger I've never been on merional, but I hear you on the feeling ill. Mine is entirely self inflicted though. Box of chocs (comfort food post pg bomb) followed by three course meal.
I also feel sick but that's probably my body's reaction to the alarm going off at 5.20am. (And waking in a panic at 4am thinking I'd slept through it).
On the ec, my stimming has been of various lengths for the iui/ivf rounds. Will your dh need to be at the hospital for his thing all day? If sod's law decrees it clashes and you speak to them I'm sure they could schedule you to accommodate if that's possible?
Urgh to the bump yoga

Sesame if you could assemble the barricade at the house at the end of the chain and make a general nuisance of yourself until they leave that would be splendid

forty any news????

beaky wtf appointment sounded interesting. Where are the clinics they recommend then? Outside the UK I'm guessing?
I've never heard of clexane and prednisolone throughout, what was the basis for that?

I'm going to have to stab on the train tonight. Any tips?! I really don't want to be faffing in a train toilet, but would it be really rude to do it in my seat if I'm discreet and the train isn't rammed?! I'm stabbing in my leg, and figured I could just stab through my tights. I'm not wearing trousers, obviously pulling my trousers down and taking out a syringe would be a little exhibitionist .

Oh no Tiger that's awful! I've never been ill like that from stims but maybe ring the clinic? I hope it passes quickly and you feel better soon.

Are you feeling any better tiger? Hope you've called in sick if not .

Morning ladies, BFN for me this morning plus it feels like AF is due in the next few hours so I definitely think I'm out. I'm going to an interview today so that will take my mind of things a little bit and strangely enough I'm quite looking forward to getting back to working out again and shedding some of the bloat I have going on. (trying to see the bright side of things).

Tiger sorry you're feeling that way on the merional hope it doesn't last for you.

Barking. I think you could get away with it probably. Depending on how packed the train is. Are you using prepared syringes or do you have to mix up ?

Hope everyone is doing well and looking forward to the weekend.

forty I'm sorry - when is otd? Do you have bloods to confirm? Thinking of you and also wishing you luck at your interview.

barking I did feel a bit better so I got myself into the office. I feel rough again now and the first person I spoke to kindly told me I look terrible! TMI but everything is passing through me like water. Am worried about dehydrating. I am going to leave at lunch time or sooner if I can get away.

Thanks for the sympathy berries. I rang MrT to tell him I felt ill and got a sleepy 'what do you want?!'

beaky if it continues then I'll ring the clinic. Sickness is listed as a common side effect, I'm just surprised as I didn't get it last time.

Thanks Tiger otd is Wednesday 2nd. Thanks for the good luck I think I'm going to need it today.

What time are you taking the merional Tiger is it before or after food ? as I've just looked back at my diary and the only time it made me feel sicky was when I'd not managed to eat since breakfast. not sure if thats any help (sorry).

So sorry Forty glad you are staying positive but take some time for you and dh to come to terms with it Good luck for your interview today too.

Barking x post earlier yeah shoot up on the train, people shouldn't be nosey should they! I'll join Sesames berricade. The clexane and prednisone is on my Prague prescription and they both run right through the cycle. The de clinics are in Spain and Cyprus. They aren't cheap though

Tiger can you try that dihoralite stuff (apologies for the appalling spelling of that!) that's good for rehydration. I hope you feel better soon. Is MrT coming over to go to the clinic with you or anything?

Forty I am sorry to hear about your BFN. On the plus side I hope the interview goes well.

Barking I have seen diabetics inject through their clothes and the needle is the same size. It's not some thing I'd recommend though. If anyone asks just say you are diabetic. Makes life easier.

Beaky Keep those fluids up! Suck on ice or frozen juice etc. If it continues for over 48 hours then pop to the doctor.

Tiger That's a bugger of a class to walk through. I hope you are feeling better though.

Clem That was nice of the nurse. See, there is nothing too it. Hope it all goes well at home.

Well yes we are going to do a fresh cycle it seems. We are going to have to fine that money somewhere but nothing ventured nothing gained. We are still going ahead with the embryo donation though. Might as well have them sitting there just in case. I am hoping to start the cycle in April as I will be in Brisbane for uni and that is where the clinic is (900km from where we live).

Wowsers ladybros, there’s a lot to catch up on!

forty sorry about the bfn. Is there any chance it’s still too early to test? Obv ignoring my own advice about early testing.... How are you feeling? Fingers crossed you get better news from the interviews.

beaky glad you’ve still got counselling sessions to help you though this, but bummer that they’ve been cancelling on you – can you do some tiger style chasing to try and get an earlier one? Glad your wtf went well and you’ve decided to crack on with the cycle at the new fc – good for you. When does that happen? Interesting what you say about donor egg – are these clinics abroad, e.g. Spain, that he’s recommending? I think I may still have a list of UK places with no wait list if you’re interested?

tiger really sorry you are sick! how are you feeling now? Have you contacted your fc? Sorry also about all those pregnant yogis, really hope you get to join that class soon. Good luck for your bloods tomorrow, hope everything else is on track.

clem love that you now have a plan and a great contingency! How are you feeling about things?

barking I think it should be okay to stab an hour or two either side, if you don’t want to do it on the train – I think it’s less of a big deal when you’re down-regging anyway. If you do, then I totally get why stabbing at your seat would be a lot more comfy and who cares what people think.

I’m doing ok. It feels a bit strange not having any treatment stuff to keep me occupied right now, sort of like returning from my altered reality back to brief real life for 2-3 weeks until I can have another go….

Oops, that message was meant to be for grin - love that you now have a plan and a great contingency! How are you feeling about things?

Sorry clem, you can have some instead!

Thanks for the concern berries. I hate feeling ill and not being at my proper home with Mr T . Still feeling very odd but not as terrible. I am going to brave it down the road to meet SIL for dinner as I haven't eaten much today and I need to discuss wedding stuff. I've been in bed since 12.30 trying to sleep off the nausea. Dreading the next dose and haven't managed to speak to the FC so will just tell them about it tomorrow morning, and see what they say. Hopefully it's just an initial reaction and will calm down quickly. I was fine last time!

I was quite liberal with DR timings barking - an hour either side will be fine. I'd probably just crack on and do it in my belly sitting there - I defintely did it at least once on the train last year but without anyone next to me. Let us know how you get on.

forty hope the interview went well.

I have found wedding planning has stopped my TTC obsessing from taking over sesame. With both the wedding and IVF done by early April I don't know what I'll do next. Will be weird. Hope you can do some things to enjoy the couple of weeks you have for yourself before getting going again.