Strapping on our lady balls and going menkul because we HATE THIS SHIT!! The Berries: a lovely bunch of 30 something Ladybros TTC #1

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The small print:

The Berries have strict entrance criteria: TTC #1 for 12 months+, over 30, NO instadiffers, must have a special pimping pot and absolutely no mention of baby dust/dancing. Not that we're fussy!

Current Ladybros:

Minx 35 - TTC 2.5 years. Stage 4 endometriosis, both tubes blocked, 1 buried ovary, IVF #1 started Aug '15 at Mustache Towers, if all goes well results due mid-Sept.

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. Some high NK cell immune treatment. IVF#1 Short protocol Jul'14 BFN; IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb'15 both Long protocol BFNs; Natural FET Jun'15 - Another BFN. Trying to work out what to do next.

Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 2 failed ICSI cycles, 1 failed FET and 1 abandoned cycle due to poor response. Hoping to start antagonist cycle mid September. HATE THIS SHIT!!

Beaky 35, ttc 3 yrs, 2x failed iui 1 long protocol ivf cancelled, 1 short protocol IVF BFN, very low amh etc etc. In 2ww for 2nd sp IVF.

Tigerdog, 35, ttc since Jan 2013. Unexplained. IVF #1 chemical pregnancy. Currently redoing tests in preparation for IVF #2.

barkingtreefrog 36, ttc since Dec 2011. clomid bfp summer 2013 then mc @7 weeks, iui bfp summer 2014 then mc @6 weeks. Factor V leiden thrombophilia diagnosed at the repeat mc clinic. IUI bfn Jan 2015, IVF bfn April/May 2015. FET bfn August 2015, remaining frozen embryo perished. Pursuing private tests and then long protocol ivf in Oct/Nov.

Lumen, 35, ttc since Nov 2011, unexplained, two IVF cycles in 2014, both bfns, waiting for lap&dye and results of numerous bloods, aiming for one last IVF cycle.

Kuma - 40. TTC 2.9 years. Low AMH high FSH - DH antisperm ABs. Failed IVF June 14 and March 15, cancelled cycle June 15. Last try September 15

Lucieloos, 36, TTC 18 months, low AMH & sperm motility. ICSI#1, April 2015, Czech, 2xblasts transferred, BFN. Icsi#2, cancelled before EC. Icsi#3, 2 mature and fertilised, both to blast and frozen. Icsi#4 in October, embryo banking.

Rain, 34, ttc since March 2012. unexplained. Mystery bfp oct 13, MMC Nov 13. IVF#1 Aug 2015

Sesame, 40, ttc with no dp, on this road for 2 years, multiple failed IVFs, 3 ETs, 1 bfp then mc, poor responder with v low AMH, but still looking for the golden egg.

nolly, 33, TTC 3 years, 1 confirmed MC, 2 more suspected. still in limbo

Spare, 34, TTC 3 years, IVF#1 short protocol + ICSI August 14 BFP but pregnancy loss at 20+ weeks, 3 failed FET, IVF #2 short protocol + PICSI August 15

Funkymonk 33. Ttc since October 2012. Mc June 2013, Mmc dec 2013, mc June 2014. Factor v Leiden thrombophilia. Abandoned IVF Jan 2015 due to thin lining. Abandoned FET Aug 2015 due to thin lining. 4 embies on ice. Cycling again November time I think.

Clem, currently on 3rd Clomid Cycle

Pip - quite simply the Best In Show.

Thanks tiger, we want to get a min of 5-6 blasts frozen and then begin transfers. We have had a biopsy of cells taken from this blast and also frozen so we can do acgh testing on them later if we want to to check the chromosomes. We feel 5 or 6 would give us a good chance of finding a normal embryo at my age. We are hoping we may have something left over for a sibling ideally so I won't have to start all over again when I'm older but who knows.

Good luck with the healthy lifestyle, I would like to join you as well to get ready for Jan. I've read it starts with the egg which is very good, some zita west foodie one which was good but the food plan was awful and also Emma cannons fertility bible which has some interesting points. Let me know if you come across anymore. Try buying some super greens powder as well it has spirulina and all sorts of goodies in it which are meant to be good for fertility and lower fsh.

Thanks for thinking of me berries. I'm holding up ok now (I think), though my head is a bit all over the place.

lucie well done on another hatching blast. I think if I had my time again I'd go down that route - freeze all. It just seems more sensible to focus the drugs for each separate process, given what's good for EC seems to be detrimental for ET (and vice versa).

Well I saw AliG on Monday. She seems to think we are 'close' whatever that means. She asked if I'd taken any other supplements prior to getting my natural diff, and I owned up to the DHEA. She's now suddenly changed her mind and given me a prescription for it! She says it can help some people - she thinks it may help the DNA spindle things when they split apart prior to rejoining with the sperm chromosomes.
So I'm back on it for a month. I have to continue having blood tests til my HCG is back to normal - Yesterday it had gone down to 9, so they'll test me again next week.

Apparently we can try naturally this month, and I can start the syneral again on day 22 assuming my bloods on day 21 are ok. If I don't get another miracle BFP then I'll start stimming next month.

I'm still kind of in a state of disbelief that we even got the bfp, no matter how short lived. But I know it's going to mean I get my hopes up again.

Oh, and apparently there's now a reference range for one of the NK cell tests they did from my biopsy. For this one my results sit in the safe range, and it's one of the more significant links, so AliG thinks my immunes are less of a problem now - she doesn't recommend steroids or intralipids any more, but still wants me to go on the blood thinners and have a scratch (yuck).

Going to post now before my phone dies

Clem The distraction techniques are not working very well (see below). Any clinic news?

Happy I hope you'll be feeling okay again soon after the Dh's cousin and wife announcement. I know exactly what you mean, one hand happy for them and the other I'm screaming in my head and calling them all the names under the sun... Then afterwards I have to go find a quiet place for a breather and calm myself down. That's when the mask slips a bit.

Nolly I only ever catch the Archers if I'm in the car with Mr. A going somewhere so only catch snippets of it! Mr. A on the other hand seems to know what's going on despite furiously denying he listens to it!

Lucie That's brilliant news, congratulations! Have a lovely, lovely time off. You both obviously deserve some relaxation time!

Tiger We were thinking of going to Copenhagen for a weekend away after Christmas, so glad you enjoyed yourself! Any places we would definitely need to go/see?

I'm having a really hard time getting out from under this heavy wet blanket that has wrapped itself around my head. Gym just makes me tired and irritable and yoga, I can't switch my mind off at all so I get really frustrated. I'm having trouble sleeping, I'm tired and can't concentrate on anything for more than three minutes so work is going well(!). Just checked and AF is due in seven days so that probably doesn't help either. My get up and go has got up and gone without me these past couple of weeks. I just have to ride it out I guess. Have a yoga session tonight but seriously can't see any point in going this week. I just want to crawl into bed and stay there until this feeling goes away and I would do too but have a dog who forces me to take him out for walks and play with him. Gets me out the house anyway!

Hello Ladies,

Smidge been thinking of you, sounds like AliG is very positive.

I've finally been referred for surgery - HOORAY! I'm going to an Endo specialist this time, so hopefully he'll be more brutal with the fucker and hack it all away. Then it's IVF time, as soon as I'm recovered - does anyone have experience of IVF post Laparoscopy, I wonder how long it will take?

I too am interested in reading up on stuff before we start - What is 'It starts with the egg' is it any good?

I've given myself a bit of a fright today - I've got heavy bleeding after lifting a computer screen off the floor so it's snuggle up with hot water bottle (and dog) on the couch time again. Trouble is, MIL is on her way over and she's the most energetic un-lazy person ever so I don't want her to think I'm a big lazy cow!!!

It’s been quiet in here… where have all the berries gone…?

tiger so glad you had a lovely break in Copenhagen, I’d love to there. My pg SIL is showing now, and I would have loved to be there with her too – I at least know I would have been due a couple of months before her. Good luck with the health kick.

smidge thanks for checking in. Such a terrible thing to go through, but glad it looks like you still have a plan. Interesting what AliG says about the DHEA. I’ve been taking it for 2 months now and I really hope it makes a difference and it's worth the horrible teenage skin

ant really sorry you are feeling so rotten. Are you feeling any better today? I would try to stick with the yoga and gym if you can, as even if you can’t fully relax, at least it should be doing some good. When I had trouble sleeping, I found that trying to get the bedroom really dark at night - with both blinds and curtains helped a little.

googs hooray for surgery referral! The bleeding sounds scary though . I’m not very well read, but it starts with the egg has a bunch of ideas about supplements and things to do/avoid to be as healthy as possible. And Robert Winston’s Essential Fertility Guide is an excellent introduction to IVF overall.

So I’m still stabbing away, and I have a big bloated belly to prove it. I think the cetrotide is a bit of a faff compared with the other meds, that needle is massive! First scan is Monday. I’m ok for now, though I’m sure panic will probably set in some time over the weekend. After the last 2 disasters, I really hope I can do better this time.

Hello all! Gosh it is quiet. I've had a hellish week at work and so haven't been able to check in much.

Smidge Glad to head AliG sounds so positive, did she give you any antibis too? Or will one lot have been enough. I am sending a huge hug your way, you've been on my mind all week.

Sesame crossing everything for you for Monday. I do think dhea and coq10 made all the difference for me. Either that or coincidentally my left ovary just decided to wake up for the first time in 4 lots of treatment. I had a really poor response too, i.e. One follie or most of the cycle, so I am really, REALLY hoping this makes the difference for you too. I hope for my next cycle things are at least as good as my last.

Tiger Copenhagen sounds amazing! I'm pleased you've had such a lovely time and you sound really motivated too. I'm going to have to have a word with myself as mine is none existent. I have ran twice this week though, although it killed me and it's not enough. I am definitely IVF'ing in jan, unless I need treatment for anything in these recent test results. So far only some are back but they do look to be normal apparently.

Ungoogs what's the deal with the bleeding? I take it it's not af? still need a new phrase for that hope your mil isn't too energetic so you can rest up. I can't help with your q I'm afraid but Tiger had a lap, she might know? Also I found Zita West's ivf book good. Not so keen on Emma whatshername though. It starts with the egg is good, I only had it on kindle otherwise I'd post you it.

Barking were you at the FC again today?

Happy how are you feeling? Not long til half term at least!

Ant I hope you feel a bit better soon but snuggle up with your berry furbaby in the meantime and have and when you can.

Clem enjoy your month off! I bet it does you good.

Lucie well done on the blast, hopefully your break will help your body recover.

Happy Friday berries!

Ooh Beaky and Sesame you're so good with remembering what's going on with everyone - I'm sorry for being such a rubbish poster and not name checking you all. Suffice to say I'm still learning all the IVF lingo and just reading and absorbing from you all.

My bleeding - I dunno, I thought my period (going to start refusing to call it Aunt Bloody FLO!) had ended, but suddenly fresh blood and clotting (TMI sorry). It freaked me out a bit.

So energetic MIL arrives, and DH is nowhere to be found, and it's 6:40pm so I dediced I'd better bloody well get dinner on. So I make dinner, and empty the dishwasher whilst worrying about bleeding and rupturing or whatever's going on (!!), we have dinner, then MIL goes "Ooh thank you SON that was lovely" FFS!!!! She watched me make it... and DH dished it out, so he gets all the bloody credit? I mean, what the actual...?!

So now I'm back on the couch watching TFI. Sod that shit.

Grrr. OK rant over, hope all you lovely ladies have a fab weekend!

Sorry I've been awol. FiL and his wife arrive tomorrow. It's the first time the two of them have come to stay in the 5 years we've lived here (they live abroad and usually just visit his brother as they have kids grrr) so it's been like preparing for a royal visit. I have actually repainted the dining room. This is the scale we're talking about.

Happy Hate this shit. It doesn't matter who is pg or how bad their journey has been, they're still pg and you're not and that stinks.

Nolly I'm afraid I don't listen to The Archers. I'm more of a News Quiz fan.

Lucie excellent to have 3 in the freezer

sesame I hate that naive optimism of ivf = baby and it's that simple. Yep. Nurse appointment Tuesday, Scratch on Friday, start downregging! It's all go this week!
Good luck for Monday .

tiger I'm still reading the Conquering Infertility book by Alice Beer. It's interesting in a getting your head in the right place way.

Smidge been thinking about you.

Antonia can you surround yourself with people for distraction? I can't distract myself on my own as I've still got my own thoughts, but if I invite a load of people round for dinner or go on a dog walk with friends etc, there's other stuff to talk about and keep busy with.

beaky belated Happy Friday! Hope you've got a nice weekend to make up for the hellish work week.

Ungoogleable I don't think anyone remembers everything said, that'd take an insane memory! I read from my nexus and post on my phone or visa versa, or if I'm just on my phone I read the thread but write on my notes app, flipping between them, then cut and paste into the thread to post.

Okay, I'm hosting book club tonight, so cooking for 7, and I'm out running most of the day (last exercise before I start stabbing and tone it all right back) so I best get out of bed and start getting sorted!!

Barking that's some good work there! What colour have you painted? I'm hoping to move into the project soon before it bankrupts me. Will have tons of painting coming my way though. Excited for you getting started on the ivf though. How are you feeling about it?

Ungoog I do the scroll back or two screens thing sometimes too. It's so tricky and I hate missing people but it does happen sometimes I hope there's nothing sinister with the bleeding, have you had any pain? The sooner they get you in for a good rake about the better! Damn to the rude mil too, thick skin required there eh.

Sesame how are you feeling? Any twinging etc?

Barking you make notes? I'm very impressed and feel like a rubbish thread member!!

Hosting FiL, painting AND hosting a book club? Are you SuperWoman? I'm still in my Pyjamas!!!! And you're starting stabbing next week?

OK I'm freaking out about the bleeding now - I haven't had any more pain, or bleeding, so I think I'm fine. But I just told my Mum (ex Nurse) who told me to phone the Drs. So i did. 3 times, and hung up each time telling myself I'm making a fuss. I have a pathological fear of 'bothering the Doctor with something silly'. Aargh!

Ungoog, I hope the bleeding has stopped now and you've been able to get through to your gp?

Has anyone on here been classed as having diminished ovarian reserve and if so what protocol has worked best for you? I think I may now have this as even though I responded fairly well to my first two cycles it's gone completely downhill in 6 months and I'm really struggling to respond. Im only 36 and I'm starting to panic again that this isn't going to work for me and I'm never going to have children.

lucie I have a 'low' reserve which is why my clinic are doing long protocol. They say it means they have more control and the response is more even so they can potentially get more eggs as they won't have some follicles way ahead of the others.

beaky just a touch up coat in the same colour - which dh wasn't happy about as he wanted to get rid of the dusky pink colour that's on one wall but I'd already repainted it . It sounds hideous but it's quite subtle, and balances the ivory and deep red in the kitchen.
Not sure how I'm feeling about the ivf to be honest. Work is manic and evenings and weekends have been so busy I really haven't had a chance to stop and think. I want to say I'm positive that all these extra drugs will help. I know a lot of people go to Care for the immunology stuff after repeated mc and ivf failure and it works for them, so why not me? I guess it will start seeming real when I go in to see the nurse and then for the scratch and start stabbing.

Google hope the bleeding has stopped or that you did seek medical advice in the end. Why not call NHS direct if you don't want to peater your doctor? That's what they're there for after all.

Thanks Barking, have you done long protocol before? How many eggs do you tend to get collected on a cycle?

I am thinking of trying a modified long protocol next. It has been recommended to me by Dr Sher, I don't know if you have heard of him but he's quite a well known American doctor. So basically you down reg for a week before af arrives which causes an increase in fsh which hopefully encourages more follicles to be recruited but also keeps lh low. When af arrives you stop the buserelin / suprecur and switch to half a dose of antagonist like Cetrotide every day. The reason for this is that apparently the buserelin can compete with the meds for the fsh receptors and can over suppress you but Cetrotide doesn't. He recommends a high dose of meds for the first few days to get the follicles going and then to drop down from day 5. It's very interesting and I can definitely see the thought process behind it. The meds work out expensive though and I'm just wondering am I going to respond any better to this than I have done in short cycles?

Lucie don't panic, you're in the right hands and you're being proactive. Just think, when I was 36 I still had no idea that this was happening inside me and I still had the NHS hurdles to jump over - at least you're past all that and on the right track!

Barking I like your choice of colours, why live with beige when you can have pink and red . As for dealing with IVF when life is so busy, I've no idea how people do it. I'm yet to start, and I just don't know how it all works - do you just carry on with work as normal, or do you have to take time off because of all the appointments? My IVF clinic is 1.5hrs drive away, so it's going to be a good half-day every time I have an appointment!

My bleeding seems to have stopped, and no more pain, so I didn't call the Doctors. I know, I'm a wimp with doctors. I just know that NHS direct would tell me to go to hospital, whereas if I call the hospital they're likely to just say it's my period so deal with it... I dunno. I laid down yesterday and felt my belly properly for the first time (always been scared of poking about too much in case it hurts) and I could definitely feel a large mass that is my apple size chocolate cyst growing... uuurgh. Roll on my appointment with the Endo specialist.

Thanks ungoog, I just feel like I'm in a bad place for my age. My reserve is a lot worse than it should be for 36 and I'm worried I don't have a lot of time left before I stop getting any eggs at all. I hope you endo appt is soon and they can sort everything out for you. I'm glad the bleeding has stopped.

Has anyone watched first heartbeat on tlc. It's about a woman's struggle to get pregnant and miscarriages. It's very emotional but good. It's on catch up I think.

Just nipping on to wish Sesame tons of berry luck for your scan tomorrow.

Good luck today sesame. Fingers crossed for a positive scan.

ungoog I had a lap last June and following that was referred for IVF. I didn't have my IVF until March but that was timing rather than an enforced delay. I didnt have endo though, so not sure if things will be different if they are treating something too. The bleeding sounds a bit scary, but glad it's stopped. It's hard to know what the GP would do except refer you to a specialist, and you're already under their care. Might be worth getting checked out anyway. Hope you're feeling better.

beaky I might sound motivated but the reality is a bit different. I wonder sometimes if I'm getting a bit depressed. I just can't motivate myself to do things at all and I could stay in bed all day every day.

This week I've signed up to a new yoga studio and plan to go at least three times, but we'll see. Exciting that you'll be moving into your place soon - I remember moving into our empty shell - freezing cold snowy winter and no carpets or curtains and the plaster still drying....had to paint the entire house too. We worked so hard for months - then once the main jobs were done we slowed right down. Almost 3 years later and all that is left to do is lay a new lawn. Took longer and cost more than we expected!

ant I can fully identify with how you're feeling. Work is a nightmare at the moment - I hate it and I can barely concentrate. My distraction technique is planning a wedding - gives me a whole lot to think about. I did do a few therapy sessions when i felt really low and it did help. Hope the gloom is lifting. Copenhagen is just lovely to walk/cycle around - and the food is fab. We enjoyed just seeing different neighbourhoods but the touristy things like the mermaid, round tower and tivoli gardens were good too.

I'm impressed at the preparations for FIL visit barking. Would you recommend the Alice Beer book? I think there is lots to be positive about for your next cycle and the keeping busy as a distraction is no bad thing really - I wish I had your motivation!

lucie no advice on the diminished reserve but you've got three embies in the freezer now so that's definitely progress. Perhaps a break between cycles will improve your response? I'm nervous that my AMH will have decreased since last time. Not watched first heartbeat but will try and find it on catch up.

Back to work today . On the plus side, things are finally moving on for us - group session and booking Mr T in for his SA on Friday, 3d sis and dummy ET on 3rd Nov and then follow up appt on 19th Nov - so hoping we'll get the green light to start after that, but with Christmas in the way it'll be January before we get going.

Hope everyone has a good week.

good luck today sesame

I feel I should clarify that while I don't listen to the archers, I do somehow know what's going on in it. I assumed Big Brother piped it into my bedroom while sleeping or similar.

News quiz clearly the best, what do you make of Miles Jupp, barking? I used be team ISIHAC (never just a minute) but i feel it's gone downhill since humf died.

tiger hope it's just that monday feeling. Plus post-holidays....

Yo Ladybros!

barking, all that activity is making me tired… we might need to call you Superbarking! I thought you would have gone for stripy paint , but the pink also sounds nice. So glad you’re about to get your cycle underway. What meds will you be on?

tiger, I’m sorry you’re feeling depressed, this is a horrible business. Do take as much time as you can for yourself. I hope the yoga classes help. What kind of yoga is it? Glad anyway that things are moving again at the fc. What protocol will you be on?

googs Hope the bleeding sorted itself out? I’ve had to fit treatment around busy job, sometimes I’ve worked flexibly, other times I’ve had time off for medical appointments. Most difficult part is coping mentally with everything going on. Infertility is a medical condition, so don’t forget you are both entitled to take time off when you need it.

lucie I have poor ovarian reserve and my protocol this time is antagonist, with high stims for the first couple of days only and then stepping down. I seem to get a similar numbers of follicles, whatever the protocol, it’s just the length of time I’m stimming that changes. The ‘Sher’ protocol – I think it’s also called ‘stop protocol’ sounds an interesting one to try. At the moment, I quite like the theory of the low stims approach, in order to maximize egg quality. I would quite like to try a protocol using clomid or letrozole, which relies more on endogenous FSH. Perhaps that’s also worth investigating?

beaky Well done for getting out running again. Keep going, it will get easier! I’ve managed to make it out twice this week too, it still felt hard but I’m glad I did it. So glad you get to move into your house soon. What were the test results you got back?

nolly radio 4 comedy is more up my street. That reminds me I’ve still to catch up with the last couple of weeks of the news quiz – that might provide some welcome distraction

Hello to everyone else!

Thanks for the good luck wishes berries. I’ve not had much in the way of symptoms this time. Scan this morning revealed 2 big follicles, with not much else going on. I’m waiting for the clinic to call back later once they have the bloods results. This is usually the bit where they tell me to cancel, but I’m really hoping I can get as far as EC. We shall see.

Happy Monday berries!

Hey sesame, really keeping everything crossed for your call later and hope you can still go ahead.

I think Shers protocol is similar to stop and I will also be on high stimms for the first 2 days and then drop down. Sher doesn't believe in mini IVF or clomid at all. He thinks it's only good for women with normal response and the success is far less for women who are poor responders compared to normal IVF. He says in older women and those with low reserve its important to down reg to reduce the potentially harmful LH levels. Having said that I have seen minj work for some older women but at the moment I think I am going to give the conversion protocol a go.

Google I'm going to be carrying on with work as much as possible. I'm lucky because our clinic is 15 minutes from work so I can go to work as normal, nip out for the scan and get back to work in less than an hour, then stay an hour later to work it back. I have no idea how I'd manage if it was 1.5 hours away, that would require the majority of my holiday allowance and I'm on my third cycle this year! I've got three days holiday I've saved so I don't have to go to work on results day, but I don't know what I'd do with it - last time I went away to stay with a friend but this time DH isn't out of the country, so going away would be leaving him still at work. Not sure I want to be on my own all day at home with my thoughts, might as well just ask to work from home instead so I don't have to deal with my emotions in the office but I still have work to distract me?

Lucie I don't have the TLC channel so haven't been able to watch it and can't find it online anywhere.
I've not done long protocol before. We only had two leading follicles last time with antagonist, but others caught up and we got 8 eggs. 3 to blastocyst.

tiger I would recommend the book so far, but it's taking a while to read as it's very much so far about the emotions so isn't something factual I can just dip into now and then, if that makes sense? I feel like I need to make time to read it when it doesn't matter if I get upset.

Nolly I'm pleasantly suprised by Miles, wasn't expecting to be satisfied with Sandy's replacement whoever they were!

sesame I'm currently working on dh regarding a stripy stair carpet
I'll be on all sorts of drugs this time!
Metafolin and omega 3 at the moment, to add what I'm not getting from the pregnacare due to the mother fucker gene. Then I'll be downregging with buserelin, then an intralipids drip, then stims with menopur and gonal f and another intralipids drip. I'll be on prednisolone from stims, then clexane from 2 days after EC alongside calcium tablets and progesterone.

Fingers crossed for your call later.

That's a shame you don't get the channel barking. She didn't go through IVF but kept have recurrent miscarriages and they found she had really high nk cells so had her on intralipids and prednisone.

You did really well on antagonist. We also did quite well in it on our first round. We got 7 eggs and 6 mature, all fertilised and 2 to blast but my last round only 3 collected, 2 mature and 1 to blast. I don't know if this will now be the same whatever protocol but keen to try something different.

Sesame 2 is good, quality not quantity did they get back to you about your bloods? I don't know what results are what, they are so vague about it! I might ring again tomorrow.

Tiger yes I feel like that, I could just stay in bed and watch films all the time. I'm having trouble sleeping lately too. I hope your first day back wasn't too awful.

Barking fx for you, this sounds like such a comprehensive plan too. I am working on my dh for a tartan style stair carpet it'll be a whole yet like.

Ungoog 1.5 hrs is ages! Is that the only clinic in your area? I've had various appointments and other excuses to nip out or start late. It's tricky though.

Lucie I have DOR. Antagonist has worked better for me than lp, as I was over suppressed on that one. Most of the clinics that great low reserve patients recommend low stims - quality over quantity basically. I'm sure Spares friend got her bfp this way. What has your consultant recommended?

Nolly you always make me smile I wonder what they would pipe in while we sleep if they could.

Beaky what sort of long protocol did you do? Were you on bcp? How long did you down reg? Antagonist did work well for me first time but we only got 2 mature on it last time so I don't really see the point in going back to that. My doctor hasn't really suggested anything at the moment. I've done antagonist twice and also short flare which wasn't great either.