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Conception

When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

Over 40s TTC & success stories.

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Grizzer · 18/07/2015 22:20

Starting a new thread for support & advice ladies. Not quite ready to graduate yet!

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ababsurdum · 04/02/2016 17:01

Kitkat I drink green tea because I like it and it's one of those things supposed to be beneficial to overall health. I've never looked into it regarding fertility. I have a cup a day usually.

kitkat2016 · 04/02/2016 17:58

Many thanks abab :)

Does anyone know or use the clearblue ovulation test?

when you get your first smiley indicating an LH surge are you then meant to ovulation with the next 24-48 hours? Could you show you're having an LH surge by the smiley appearing but not actually ovulate? Would this be possible?
Any advice greatly received :)

ababsurdum · 04/02/2016 18:16

Kitkat I think the answer to both of your questions is yes. I'm not sure how common it is to have an LH surge but not ovulate though, it's most likely not the norm. Did you get a smiley?

wotsitsmaltesers · 05/02/2016 17:40

Kitkat - my doctor said yes you could get a surge on the opk sticks and not ovulate - but like ababsurdum says probably not the norm.

Day 7 for me here and just got loads of ewm - I really don't understand my cycle as that seems way too early and frightened I have ovulated really early and not dtd in time - not dtd for well over a week, was going to get on it tonight and now worried all too late.

Thanks to everyone for kind words after me reading the last test wrongly. ababsurdum you didn't come across insensitive at all - quite the opposite.

ababsurdum · 05/02/2016 18:33

Wotsits don't forget that sperm are supposed to be able to live for up to five days inside you so getting ewcm now is not necessarily too early, it just means you're entering your fertile period. Definitely dtd on days when you have lots of ewcm. Have you started opk's this month yet? What day of your cycle do you normally ovulate?

AF is on its way here. I had some spotting yesterday which briefly got my hopes up but there's been a bit more since. I did get spotting when I conceived last year; I usually never do but think things are still a bit wonky after the mc. I know AF is coming. Short cycle for me this month. I'm on cd25 today and am expecting it imminently!

Beegee3 · 05/02/2016 18:49

😢😧ababsurdum x

wotsitsmaltesers · 05/02/2016 19:45

Sad for you ababsurdum but thanks for the reminder - I will dtd over next few days like there's no tomorrow and just hope it's not too late. God I don't feel like it at the moment though. Humph.

ChewyGiraffe · 06/02/2016 00:06

Kitkat - regarding your question about when you might expect to ovulate after you've had a positive OPK (or Clearblue smiley face).

I found this pdf a while ago and think it's quite interesting: - Clearblue - Ovulation in relation to LH surge - . There's a table on page 4 which summarises the results of various studies: 'Time of ovulation (% of women ovulating within given time of LH surge)'. Anything from about 9 hours to 36 hours afterwards seems to be the most common range.

I guess you've also got to factor in that you won't necessarily catch the very start of your LH surge when you test. Plus there's that thing that sperm aren't able to fertilise the egg straight away after ejaculation - takes up to 10 hours for them to undergo the process of 'capacitation'. Only solution seems to be to get them in early!

ababs - you're not convincing me that AF is definitely on her nasty way! FX for you.

wotsits - EWCM for a few days in advance of ovulation is quite normal (and good) is it not? You'll be fine starting on CD7, surely?

We had some disappointing news today Sad.

DP had self referred, privately, to our local hospital (a good teaching hospital and all that) for a sperm analysis last July. We showed the results at our initial IVF consultation - doctor said count, motility, normal forms were all fine, well maybe could be a bit better, but generally OK. Plus doctor was encouraged (vis-a-vis DP's sperm) that we conceived naturally aged 43.3 on our first cycle TTC (which is our DD), then conceived again aged 45 after three or four months of trying - sadly had MMC (of our little angel boy) but that almost definitely wasn't a sperm issue.

Fast forward to today. The IVF clinic did another assessment of DP's sperm, which came back positive on the MAR test (MAR - Mixed Agglutination Reaction). I'd never even heard of it before - its something to do with antibodies on the surface forming an antispermal cover around the sperm, I think which cause the sperm to clump together, resulting in "immunologic infertility". Apparently it means we would be unlikely to conceive without IVF + ICSI, that's even before you've thrown my cronky old eggs into the mix.

I wasn't surprised - DP's clearly developed some kind of allergy/immune issue. Last September he suddenly developed angioedema (swollen face/lips) and bad hives (urticaria) on his arms/torso/legs. The swelling went away but the hives have persisted in random patches most days. GP gave short course of steroids then daily antihistamine, plus he's been waiting for ever to see an allergy specialist at the hospital (due March). Its so bizarre - he's otherwise fit and slim (and tall and gorgeous methinks Wink) so no idea where this has come from. Maybe it'll f*ck back off as suddenly as it appeared, but who knows ...

But at the moment, we need ICSI. Marvellous. Guardian angel, wherever you are - a lucky break please?

Bloody wish I was off skiing too! Jass - hope you have a good trip!

Waves to everyone else x

ChewyGiraffe · 06/02/2016 00:21

Hmm - perhaps the moral of my story is - if you think it's taking a while to conceive naturally, maybe we shouldn't be too quick to assume that it's an egg quality issue (or at least, not solely an egg quality issue).

Because we'd conceived so easily (relatively speaking) in the past and DP's basic sperm analysis (for count, motility and forms) was fine last July, we assumed - perhaps not unreasonably - that the SA would still be fine. Not so - apparently we could've been banging away from here until Christmas with precious little chance of success, even if my eggs were perfect - which they're clearly not, but was kinda hoping there might be the odd good one left lurking in there. (Sperm analysis is comparatively inexpensive too, well compared to the rest of the battalion of licence-to-print-money fertility tests.)

Off for a self-indulgent sulk - I deserve one today!

totalnamechanger · 06/02/2016 06:43

Sorry chewy so upsetting and frustrating for you when you've diligently been concentrating your efforts on your eggs. And what a strange set of circumstances, your poor DH. I also really would love my DS to have a sibling, it is difficult.

What do you think you'll do now? Take stock and do some research?

ababsurdum · 06/02/2016 10:30

Oh Chewy, how horrible for you and your dh Sad. There are so many bloody variables aren't there and none of them much in our control. I'm so sorry xx

So do you know what you're going to do? Are you going to give the IVF with ICSI a go? No guarantees it will work, of course, but if it's your best shot... Did you ask their thoughts on DHEA? I hope it all works out for you.

AF still not shown up properly here. I'm still getting brownish watery spotting. Cd26 today. I had that dull ache of a period about to start yesterday evening.

Beegee3 · 06/02/2016 11:14

chewy so sorry for your news yesterday 😢 look after yourself, dp and dd. This is all heartbreaking stuff, sending big hugs x
ababs how many dpo now? X

ababsurdum · 06/02/2016 12:14

Beegee 12 or 13 I think so AF should be due today or tomorrow. I had a positive opk on the Saturday morning but then ov type pain Monday evening. I haven't had the dizzy feeling I had with both my pregnancies so I'm not hopeful this month.

Anyone else due to test?

Beegee3 · 06/02/2016 12:26

ababs do you usually have 2-3 days spotting before your period though? Fx still for you x I am 5/6 dpo according to that opk, so about a week behind you x

ababsurdum · 06/02/2016 12:32

No I don't but things still don't seem to be back to normal after my mc. I think I also had spotting last month but I'm not certain.

Fingers crossed for you Beegee

totalnamechanger · 06/02/2016 13:14

No only cd12 here and ov day was pushing back to cd 18 or 19 before my mc.

Are you going to test abab?

ababsurdum · 06/02/2016 13:48

No, I don't have any tests. I'll test Monday if she doesn't show her face by then!

FattyFishwife · 06/02/2016 18:57

oh chewy so sorry about your news, how awful for you :(

abab i still have everything crossed that the witch stays away for you hunny.

Ive decided to start back on my supplements that ive been off since october, and have bunged in a few more too, so currently taking a huge handful of them every day.....i fair rattle when i walk!

also started listening to 'fertility hypnosis' shizz on you tube, with earphones every night as i fall asleep...other than that its acupuncture, but the budget doesnt allow for that at the mo!

FattyFishwife · 06/02/2016 18:58

fx for you too beegee that old AF steers clear of you too!

Beegee3 · 06/02/2016 19:15

Thanks fatty we will see 😕. Fertility hypnosis eh? Very interesting x I just want everyone to be all sorted and happy Flowers

ababsurdum · 06/02/2016 19:28

Fatty when I was ttc ds I downloaded the Zita West hypnosis cd, I also listened to fertility affirmations. What new supplements have you added?

FattyFishwife · 06/02/2016 19:40

Ive added, myo inositol, omega 3, b vits, and DHEA to my....

folic acid
epo
l-arginine
red clover
agnus castus
Q-10
selenium
zinc
maca
dong-quai
calcium & magnesium
multi pregnancy vits.

ill look out for the zita west one too, thanks for that!

totalnamechanger · 06/02/2016 20:25

Fatty that sounds just like me except for DHEA and Dong Quai. I also have grapefruit juice and cough medicine pre o. And started acupuncture again.
Wondering whether to start pre-seed again. And give up caffeine again zzzzzzz

Beegee3 · 06/02/2016 20:54

Anyone know if white, creamy, lotion like cm is a good pg sign?...I know 2ww symptom spotting Hmm

totalnamechanger · 06/02/2016 20:59

Think it might be Beegee but can sometimes happen anyway. Anything else?