smack those rats, sniff those drugs; we dont care how, but we will get our babies and we are BROOKING NO ARGUMENT

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where have all the brookers gone?

hiya mol had been thinking of you, glad to see you back here.

cups how's life as a mummy?

what's new with every one?

hi trix, how's N? when are you going to TTC?

imps ewcm is always welcome

moll that all sounds good!

I have my clinic appt for consenting this afternoon argh!

Good luck for your appointment this afternoon, keep

I had a really vivid dream last night, which I would like to share before I forget: I was sat talking with my DM and she said 'you just want another baby, don't you?'. I burst into tears in the dream and said 'yes' (that was such a relief!). DM hugged me and said I should just do it. I was still crying so she then asked me what I was afraid of. I said that it was birth/repeat CS.

I knew in the dream that it was a dream because DM is not encouraging about us having another child. I've been having mixed feelings about dd2 (my 'baby') starting FT nursery in September and DM focuses on the free time I'll have and being able to concentrate on my career again. And yes, that would be nice, but I've enjoyed having a babies/young children so much!

I posted on another board about a recurring dream I have; asking for interpretations. I am on my Masters course again, but the deadline for my dissertation is TOMORROW. I haven't written a word. I get a sinking feeling, then wake up.

I gave the 3rd dc context and posters generally interpreted it as an anxiety dream. One poster read it as my subconscious telling me that I've been there/done that with my education and childbearing but that I don't really want to 'go back'. I'm starting to wonder if I've been having this dream again because I haven't finished - could the unstarted dissertation a metaphor for this dc3?

Hope you all don't mind me writing this down. Don't want to seem woo!

It's too late. I am so woo!

mol I see the 'deadline' as your last chance to have a baby and the sinking feeling because you are going to miss that chance . but hey I know nothing about these things. the dream convo with dm surely is you being truthful with your self about the only thing that matters which is whether you want a child or not.
hope the appointment goes well keep
how is S?
N is well thank you, he has a complete objection to the high chair at the moment and me trying to force him in it has just been upsetting both of us so I've given up! he prefers his little Ikea chair or the proper dining chair so I may just do away with the high chair now.
not sure about ttc dh told me last night that he wants another baby, but I'm a bit scared, most of it is the same worries as before N was born . so really I should know that it will all be ok, we've survived so far!
I read this saying on a thread somewhere that I thought was quite good for when you've had a bad day 'every body fed, no body dead'

so my appointment was OK. they suggested that I do medicated but couldn't give any reason and didn't mind, so I'm doing natural. the Dr was explaining how to use an opk I said I've been doing them for years. he said 'why'... wtf.

anyway, AF due in 2 weeks, I get one scan after I ring with my surge, then start fanny candles post transfer. I feel quite weird about it. excited/scared

Wohoo!! Exciting times Keep! Are you feeling a bit better now you are well on the road to bfp#2?

What's the score with you Imps?

How are you doing Beedle?

Hope you are in the lovely newborn haze Cups

Ooh exciting times Keep

Hope everyone else is having a good time in the sunshine :)

at the explaining opks keep exciting Times ahead.
question brookers, do you think there Is ever a perfect time to have another child? how do you know when it's the right time?

don't ask Molotov probably not trix. what Are your thoughts? for me I just want to get past TTC....

No such thing as a right time, if everyone waited until they had enough money/time/space etc then most people wouldn't have any. I want another and DD2 is only 14 weeks but DH isn't keen :(

pasta, already

I want 3 but DH is talking about having the snip. He was frightened by the PPH I had but even though I've been told that I am fine to have more I think that has put him off. He says we have no room but it is a 4 bed house and he is already planning on buying bunkbeds for the girls to share.

Without meaning to sound insensitive and being aware of how extrememly lucky I am to have this choice, I have been thinking about when to give birth. With DD1 I didn't know how easily we would conceive so the plan was to try in months that would give a birth month I would be happy with and hang fire on months that wouldn't. With DD2 I knew how stupidly fertile I am and so she was planned with a specific month in mind. I am thinking September for DC3 would be nice and therefore would like to TTC in December for an 18 month age gap as otherwise it is going to be another year and I don't want to wait that long.

As I say, DH doesn't want another so this is all just what I would like rather than what we have planned. I am hoping that I will learn to be happy with just the 2 as I am very aware how lucky I am to have them and I would never trick DH into another by pretending to be on the pill or anything like that.

I feel excited at the thought of ttc, pregnancy and new baby. but at the same time I'm worried about coping with a baby and toddler, what if I'm not patient enough, what if they are both up in the night, how will pregnancy be with a toddler? what if N struggles to get used to the baby and so on......
I guess I think of the baby arriving right now iyswim when actually by the time I actually have birth N will be older and be able to do and say more which I guess would make things easier.
sometimes I wonder what on earth we are waiting for and others I just think there's no way we should have another yet.
N is nearly 18months now so when I think how old he could be by the time a sibling arrived , the timing probably Is about perfect.
I try not to think in terms of money because like pasta says I don't think we would have another if I worried too much about that.

pasta I've actually thought about that too, I'd like number 2 to have a birthday in spring/summer, May might be quite nice

I have a March and a May :)

I also don't think there is ever a 'perfect' time to have a baby. I'd wanted a baby for years with DH before ttc dd1, but we were young when we met/didn't have our own place/had little money, etc. Once we'd started to earn money and were planning our wedding I was like "WE HAVE TO DO THIS NOOOOWWWWW!"

She took 9 cycles to conceive and I was just so completely smitten with her that I wanted to do it all again immediately. We ttc again when she was about 7mo - I really wanted a tiny age gap. But I didn't get pg for 2y so we have just over 3y between our dds.

That gap works well and with hindsight I've enjoyed having them both as 'the baby': dd1 has us all to herself as a baby and dd2 had 1-1 time as dd1 was at nursery/school. I don't think I would have enjoyed a baby and

mol at too cold , N was born in Jan so it would be nice to have another at a completely different time of year and so their birthdays aren't to close.
I think it would be nice if N was at preschool so I could have time with the baby. But is it not difficult trying to get the older one there on time with a small baby?
I think realistically because I may not get pregnant straight away and of course it may not be successful it's likely N will be closer 3yrs.

I spent 29 years absolutely adament that I didn't want any. As an only child, I knew that if I wanted children then it would have to be more than one. All my only children friends who have had children apart from one has had more than one. My friend that just had one wanted more but nearly died in preganancy, her DS is autistic and she was told by the hospital that if she went on to have more then she would have a high chance of not surviving/losing the baby.

I was pregnant with DD2 when I knew I wanted 3 but I knew I wanted more than one before I started TTC DD1.

trix, it was a learning curve to begin with, but I soon got into the hang of the school run routine with a baby and small child (I'm still in it now): I wake at 6am - shower, dress, go downstairs drink tea and eat a quick bowl of cereal. Dds up at 6:45: toilet, breakfast and a little play before getting them dressed at 7:30. They are ready by 8am. I might then vacuum the house and then I get their bags together for 8:30. We go out at 8:35 to be at school for 8:50.

With a baby, it's just getting that first feed in above all else, which I used to do between 6:45-7:30. Washing and dressing can wait until you're back home (the baby. Not you )

It all gets very easy after you've done it for a while (like most things, I suppose).

Pasta I'm an only child too and always knew I wanted more than one child. I wanted a sibling and wanted my dd to have one. I'm thinking now that if I keep thinking about a dc3, we might as well try because I don't think the thought will go away. Yet, if we remained as a 2 child family, I don't think I would feel the sadness of not having a dc2, iykwim.

thanks for answering all my questions . I'm not sure if my worries are just general normal things that everyone worries about and that I shouldn't let them put me off or if the genuinely mean I'm not ready. some times I wonder if I ever will be , although I never saw N as being an only child.
so is the tiredness worse? I guess there's no chance of resting/sleeping when baby does if you have other children.
for some reason I kinda feel like I need permission, like I'm waiting for our families to say 'come on, get on with it' .

I think tiredness, etc, are all very subjective: it depends on how well you handle it and indeed, what your baby is like.

IME, dd1 did not sleep or feed well for the first 6m. She had reflux and cried so much. She regularly woke 4-5 times per night, most nights. Conversely, dd2 slept like a log and fed without any problems for her first 6m. Dd1 still wakes early and is a light sleeper and dd2 has slept through all sorts of noises. Dd1 is a picky eater; dd2 will try anything.

I think that it is fair to wonder how another child will impact upon your existing family set-up. Just don't overthink it wry smile as I know I've been over thinking! But, hey, y'know ...

I probably am over thinking it i think u and I are similar like that mol
I'm scared that the stuff I find hard now will just be harder and I do get very stressed at times.
I used to take citalopram too but don't want to go back on it if we will be ttc, so I decided to try herbal I've got some of that cactus stuff I've seen mentioned on here hadn't realised it's for pms.

Ooh, what's that stuff for PMS then, trix?

I find myself wondering how I'd fit getting a baby ready along with myself and 2 dds. But then dd1 is growing up fast and becoming more self sufficient. I'm sure I could let her dress herself now (she almost does, anyway), so family life is never static. I'm learning that its always moving and changing.

Worry is the bane of my life! I'm trying to retrain my thoughts to worrying only about stuff when it's happening. I once read on MN that if you worry about something that hasn't happened, then that's the anxiety taking over. I think that's a good point to observe.

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those are what I got, haven't been taking them long though so can't say if they've helped yet. worth a go though I thought, I was actually looking for st John's wort when I saw those.
God I definitely worry about stuff that happened yet and I worry about the past, things I can't change etc