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When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

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juneybean · 03/05/2015 18:01

The Rules of Bumsnet

  1. Don't talk about Bumsnet
  2. Get the sperm in the hole
  3. Don't LPB. It's frowned upon.

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juneybean · 07/05/2015 22:35

I'm glad I live in a strong Labour hold but it doesn't look great for the general :(

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frogbubbles · 07/05/2015 23:30

Ah night sorry for AF but yay for DH promotion.

Glittery good to have you back lovely!! Glad you enjoyed Rome Smile

Sparkly one you just worry about you and your little bean.

Flo how's our gorgeous little man today? What a pain the boot doesn't fit. Any more update from the vets?? Smile

Butter!!! CONGRATULATIONS you lovely lady!! Aww super happy for you, loving the spunk stock rotation ha ha!! Also still working on that bloody star blanket. Getting bored with it now.

Aww sammy your appointment sounds like It was very positive and informative! Woop woop for good looking tubes Smile

Rice sorry to hear about your dad, try and look after yourself. I hope thing settle down soon lovely and you get some answers.

Welcome Fig!!!

Had a rubbish day, having a pity party. MrF due home tomorrow said we were having a break this month but now torn, what if this month is THE month?? CD11 so screwed anyway as MrF back to work on Mon. Fuck, fuck, fuckery!!! This working away shizzle really does not make ttc easy. Sad

Nomio230 · 07/05/2015 23:37

Frog, I didn't realise your DH worked away. That must make things really tricky TTC wise. Maybe you could get him to knock a few out & freeze it until you OV! Hmm

Juney, where we live is a 100% safe seat for the conservatives. There are lots of rich people round here!

frogbubbles · 07/05/2015 23:52

Ha ha Nom it's an absolute pain in the ass!! Yes I only have him fri-mon fertile window starts Sunday grrr!!

juneybean · 07/05/2015 23:56

All three sunderland were Labour of course but UKIP came second twice Shock

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Nomio230 · 08/05/2015 00:00

It might still be worth doing it on Sunday night, your DP might have supersperm!

Speaking of which, DH has rung the fertility clinic every day this week & keeps getting voicemail. He has left messages, but no-one has called back yet, and we can't get our IVF referral until he has it done. Angry

wotsits1 · 08/05/2015 05:57

Well....it looks like the SNP have knackered Eds chances of being pm!!! Reckon we've got another 4 years of David on the way...

butter CONGRATS!!!

night sorry AF got u. Has temping helped you understand your cycle more? What was your lp? Congrats for dh promotion!!!

Sammy glad it didn't hurt too much (although god awful period pains doesn't sound pleasant!) Not long until the 18th now!!

Hairstylisttoboris · 08/05/2015 06:04

I'm watching the election coverage. speechless.

wotsits1 · 08/05/2015 06:47

Me too Boris!

wotsits1 · 08/05/2015 06:47

See ya Nick Clegg!

Purplecuddlykoala14 · 08/05/2015 08:19

I'm waiting for Paddy Ashdown to eat his hat.
Congrats butter
sammy glad the appointment went well.

nightandthelight · 08/05/2015 08:22

Temping has definitely helped wotsit :) I have a 13 day lp which is great. Just hoping I ov a little later this cycle :)

purdiepie · 08/05/2015 08:59

Sammy, I'm sorry they didn't find something that was easily fixable; it is very frustrating to be told that everything is hunky-dory with yourself and your partner after ttc for so long. IVF ahoy for you, my darling..and we'll be with you all the way Thanks

Night, I think it's generally good news re your chart, no? Ov'ing on CD9 was a definite no-no, I think. CD 12 would be great - would you consider taking soy from days 5-9 if you continue to ov rather too early?

Eskimo, I'm so glad you're back posting, you are hilarious. Poor pooch, though, when will he be properly diagnosed and how the hell are you paying those vets bills?! Shock

Glittery, please tell us about the PILs; how are they nightmares? I saw your fb status: 'Get me home' and I chuckled but also thought, 'Aww, whassup wiv our girl?'

Sparkly, I am so worried you have no-one to chat to about your pregnancy symptoms or how bad you are physically feeling in conjunction with your other issues. Please, please pm if you want to offload; early pregnancy can be horrible for even the healthiest of women. You are missed on here but you mustn't put us before yourself. Please rest Thanks

Nomio, i keep not addressing you, for some bizarre reason, but I'm watching your journey with so much excitement - can't wait for you to be preggo Thanks

How are you, Pikz, my love?

My manager sent me home half an hour early last night (today is my day off): 'Go on, Purdeh, get 'ome to yer baby. You 'ave worked brilliantly this week and learned so much in three days. Thank you for your efforts.' I were walkin' on air Smile

nightandthelight · 08/05/2015 09:06

Awesome feedback Purdie! So glad it is starting to work out for you Grin

Am going to manually over ride FF this afternoon as put ov as CD11 as you said. Can you explain about soy? It's benefits and risks? Thank you!

Woolly84 · 08/05/2015 09:18

Yayy that's fab purdie!! Grin tell me, are you secretly enjoying it a lil bit now??

purple he didn't eat his hat Hmm did get totally grilled by Andrew whatshisname though this morning!

night yay for decent lp! I actually look forward to taking my temp each morning...I need to get out more Blush

purdiepie · 08/05/2015 09:20

Soy is purportedly 'nature's Clomid' and has worked for quite a few women I 'know', including autonomous plum/aux and several ladies on the over-forty ttc forum and the soy thread. Evidence is largely anecdotal but, if these ladies are to be believed, taking soy later in the follicular phase (CD5-9) delays ov by at least a day or two. Other women (try reading the soy thread on MN) are not having so much success and are instead finding screwed up cycles. My honest opinion is that it would be worth you trying it. You have such a healthy LP; it would be such a shame to repeatedly ov at CD 10 or 11.

purdiepie · 08/05/2015 09:23

Woolly, you know when you get a teeny glimpse of something in the future possibly being okay, despite it seeming pretty rubbish in the present? That's what I mean when I say the past couple of days have been 'enjoyable'. It has been a scream on the IT desk lately and I can't fault the personalities of my colleagues. My managers are empathetic, generous-hearted and considerate.

nightandthelight · 08/05/2015 09:23

Ok thanks Purdie will check out the soy thread later :) Will see what happens this month in terms of ov before making a decision. Bit concerned about the risk of messing up my cycles! Could it damage my lp?

Pikz · 08/05/2015 09:30

Night I shall post my soy chart now but I did 2-6 to try and bring forward ov from day 28 as I was having 40 day cycles

Pikz · 08/05/2015 09:33

Here you go.... I ov a bit unexpectedly hence dtd being off and I probably need to do 3-7 as I feel cd11 is a bit early

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nightandthelight · 08/05/2015 09:36

Thanks pikz :) so does it depend which day you take it in terms of whether it delays ov or makes it early?

Pikz · 08/05/2015 09:52

Yep let me find kittys original post as it gave the most info

Pikz · 08/05/2015 09:55

Soya Isoflavones are derived from soya beans. They have been dubbed “the natural Clomid,”
As they work in pretty much an identical manner.
Just like Clomid; Soya Isoflavones work by tricking your body into thinking its low on oestrogen. Your body then kick starts production of FSH (Follicle-stimulating hormone) followed by LH (Luteinizing hormone) Which are both necessary to release Healthy Eggs during ovulation.
FSH is released at the start of the menstrual cycle; it stimulates the growth of an immature egg into a fully matured egg. When the egg has matured your body then releases a surge of LH. LH is the hormone that tells the ovary to release the egg.

WHEN?
You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on either CD 1-5 , 2-6, 3-7 , 4-8 or 5-9.
If you take soy Isoflavones during the later time bracket, for example CD5-9, you shall strengthen the egg that has already started growing producing a healthier egg. The earlier in your cycle you take It, the higher your chance of releasing multiple eggs but these eggs will not be as mature as the eggs grown from taking Soya later.
A lot of women will choose the middle cycle (3 -7) allowing time for a strong and healthy egg to develop without erasing the chance of a second egg being developed and released.

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

DOSE?
The dose is really down to you but you should always use the lowest amount that works for you.
With Clomid the starting dose is 100mg. Soya Isoflavones are said to be half the strength of Clomid, so it makes sense for the starting dose to be 100mg.
The trouble with 100mg of soya is that the capsules tend to come as 40mg. So you have a choice of starting at 80mg.
Some women change the dose on different days. So they may start at 120mg for the first 3 days then give an extra boost for the last 2 days with 160mg.

As I have said though, use the lowest dose possible for yourself. If you ovulate using 120mg/day stick to that for a few cycles. GIVE IT A CHANCE. It is said that it takes 3months to get the full benefits of what you are taking. NEVER EXCEED 200mg/day.

OTHER BENEFITS?
The following potential health benefits are attributed to Isoflavones:
Reduce heart disease risk
Protect against prostate problems
improve bone health
Reduce cancer risk

SIDE EFFECTS?
As with any medication, taking Soya Isoflavones may cause side effects such as:
Nausea
Headaches
Dizziness
Hot flushes
Night sweats
Cramping
Diarrhoea
Lack of fertile cm
Thrush
Obviously the higher the dose you take the higher your chance of experiencing side effects.

DO NOT TAKE SOYA ISOFLAVONES WITHOUT CONSULTING A DOCTOR IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
Breast cancer, hepatic disease, prostate cancer, kidney disease, taking hormone treatments, thyroid disease, and allergies to soy, peanuts or other legumes.
Soy Isoflavones should not be taken while breastfeeding or pregnant.
Soy Isoflavones may interact with the following medications; androstenedione, antibiotics, clomiphene, DHEA, contraceptives and other female hormones, finasteride, raloxifene, red clover, tamoxifen, testosterone and other male hormones, thyroid hormones, and toremifene.
NOTE: Just like Clomid, Soya Isoflavones may not help some women at all!
Although research carried out on FF has shown that 77% of women taking Soya Isoflavones on the stated days at the stated doses, got there BFP on their first cycle taking them!

nightandthelight · 08/05/2015 10:00

Thanks so much pikz :) Will see what happens this cycle and the perhaps take the plunge!

Woolly84 · 08/05/2015 10:24

purds that's great! Smile the people make a huge difference, I can hate my job some days but my manger is awesome and so supportive, I'm so glad you've got some good 'uns around you!

pikz great post about soya isoflavones! I was always curious about what they were..

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