On The 12th Day of Xmas My Viroids Gave To Me 12 OPKs 11 New Positions 10 Symptom Spots 9 Pics Of Cats 8 TMI's 7 Shag Stories 6 Cervix Positions 5 Temp Charts 4 Hooyas 3 DPO 2 Gx and an Xmas BFP!JS 35

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Ladies, Fred title says it all; we are the ones who shag as much as our men can cope with in order to get upduffed without the stress of scientific whatnots!

Fred rules (copied and adapted from previous Fred)

1. Thou shalt shag as much as humanly possible in order to get upduffed.
2. Thou shalt not partake of OPKs, temping, or charting.
3. Thou shalt keep symptom spotting to a minimum.
4. Thou shalt share with your fredmates where needed.

JSing lingo

ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Dooooooommmmmmm. Or AF to most others. Also know as 'the witch', 'bitch witch' and 'that one with the red shiny convertible'

Viroid = This is you, dear poster. This is from the first JS thread when someone tried to type 'ladies' and it autocorrected to 'Viroids' - so there you go!

Pant snot = Egg white cervical mucus.

Doing a kitten = Getting upduffed soon after joining (warning: may induce envy in other posters).

POAS = Pee On A Stick (of the pregnancy detecting kind, not from a tree). Also known as PIAR (Pee In A Ramekin - cos we're posh birds innit). Or PIATLH (Tea light holder) PIAWG (Wine glass) or anything else you care to pee in! PONF = Pee on Nigel Farage. Self explanatory, who wouldn't?

ROC - Receptacle of Choice - what one chooses to use for the task of POAS. Option decorations include photographs of political leaders.

JIAC = Jizz in a Cup. Preferable to jizz on the carpet or jizz in the eye. This one's for the lucky men in our lives.

Shagging like something = JSing like a teenage nymphomaniac.

Giving a hooya = Giving a much needed slap to a fellow poster in danger of slipping into ttc obsession. Warning - this may happen to you if you start trying to POAS at 5dpo. PUT. THE. PISSY. STICK. DOWN. IT'S TOO EARLY!

Contraband = Of COURSE none of us EVER partake of any silly OPKs or temp charting. They are Contraband.

Icing = ovulating. Another autocorrect development!

Getting your Cape on = planning some serious pouncing on DH/DP

TWOT - Two Weeks of Torture. AKA Schroedinging!
TWPU - Two Week Piss Up!

Keeping your gingers = fingers crossed, yet another autocorrect development! Shortened to 'gx'

Doing A lemon = Testing WAAAAAAAY to early!

The link to Part 33 is here

The current Grads Fred is here

The rather nobbish article in which we became a little bit notorious is here. We are the dark side of MN. Welcome.

Happy Christmas shagging, shaggers!

Welcome Gakay, Hi bother and commander so sorry for your losses. Lots of viroids have suffered similarly lately it seems. I very much hope things begin to look up for you all soon.

Bother you can be in the gang with me and lil over Christmas. I cant get upduffed without treatment that hopefully starts in the New Year and obvs lil is on bc!! We could call ourselves the not shaggers for a month and then can have a race for our Feb bfp's

Dildo Cam this arvo folks!!! Dum Dum Dummmm!!! Think of me in stirrups whilst you're all out doing your Christmas shopping with a hot chocolate

Nice Tink! My friend is having her first sweep tomorrow (she's 6 days overdue) and she's never had an internal exam before!

Commander I don't know what to say except I am so sorry you are going through all this, it sounds utterly rubbish but we are all here for you :(

I've developed a blocked nose since 1:00pm this afternoon. Not the runny type. The crusty type that hurts when you blow it. I hate winter!

:( commander I really feel for you. Gx you get an answer either way soon

uurrggghhh jelly i feel your pain!! i've had one of those for a few weeks, i put it down to having given up smoking as i suffered last time i quit but am assuming you haven't got this excuse.

it feels all itchy as well - sometimes i wish i was 18months old and could get away with having a good scratch up there lol!!

Welcome Gakay, sorry to hear you've had a second MC. Welcome back Bother and Commander - I'm so sorry to hear you're going through this as well. It bloody was a baby and you have every right to grieve for just that. Some folks just don't understand - sadly lots of us know what you're going through though so you will be safe here.

Good luck for dildocam Tink - hope all goes well.

No excuse here kh except for sickly colleagues!

I went in to mothercare to lust over prams today. I ended up pretending to be pregnant when an assistant came over to help. She was very helpful too!

Thank you viroids. bother and commander am sorry for your losses too. This game is so tough. Actually I've been really lucky with my DP and friends (apart from one who lives abroad and responded to my first mc as "sorry, but great. when I come back for Xmas you can go out for drinks with me), they've been really supportive. What I find more difficult is with the older women from work who have been through mc's themselves - they keep telling me it's really common and as if I should have expected it to go wrong and shouldn't be upset or let it affect my work (which I'm doing outside my normal hours on a voluntary basis)

Oh dear honey, stop the crazies woman!! did you see anything nice

Oh honey! That's so funny --and I would totally have done the same/

Gakay I found the same - my mil told me in no uncertain terms to expect things to go wrong when I told her I was pregnant, so when the mc happened I was embarrassed to tell her because I felt like a fool for having got excited. Must be an older generation thing?

I had someone who actually said 'it's natures way, it wasn't meant to live'. So insensitive.

That's shocking :( Regardless of how people view a MC, when talking to someone who has suffered it surely a sensible person would bite their toung and give their sympathies.

Some people are heartless!!!

I'm getting so dog-broody at the moment, DP keeps telling me baby first lol!

I have been thinking about my friends with children, I only know of one mc.

This makes me sad as there must be loads more than that but I just don't know about them.

Trying to think if I have ever been insensitive/ tactless without realising and the answer is probably

It was on a whim as I was in the pet shop next door. Jelly I am in love with the cosatto giggle. It is so pretty!

If you remember, the first thing my sister said was "don't get too excited, it might bleed away" She meant well. And she was right. But not what I wanted to hear.

Aw, you guys - you make it all so much more bearable. Fleur - please don't feel bad - until I'd had one, I had no idea how common MC was, or how very upsetting it is. Still shocked that it's so common and yet so unbearably difficult to deal with. It makes me want to talk about it more - my HR manager has told people I have a bug, but I don't want to have to lie to people when I go back to work and just brush what's happened under the carpet like it does't matter or like it's something I should be ashamed of. At the same time, I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable.

In other news, I received a letter (how quaint!) from my MiL today, telling me the MC stats (like I haven't check that out), giving me a story about someone she knows who's had 2 miscarriages and then went on to have twins, then another baby (yep, that makes me feel whole lot better) and suggesting that I might want to take vitamins and perhaps talk to my doctor about any underlying issues causing MC. Would it be wrong to tell and 80 year old woman to Fuck Right Off?!

Tink - I'd love to be in your 'non-shagging' gang thanks. Mr B says his 'horse is tied up and grazing' for when I'm ready to get back on it! We've agreed to give it a cycle so we can at least try to feel sexy again.

Gakay - sorry your DH doesn't get it. I guess it's harder for guys to relate to the pregnancy so early on, but frustrating for you. Are you able to talk to him about how it's normal for you to both feel differently about it, but important that you try to understand each other's feelings?

Commader - so shitty that they can't confirm...always better to be put out of or into? your misery. Hugs to you. I feel your pain...literally. x

Aww bother you shouldn't worry about making people feel uncomfortable - like you said it shouldn't be brushed under the carpet and they are all big boys and girls so you don't need to spare their feelings when you're going through such a horrible time.

I'm so sad to hear about all of the viroid miscarriages, I only know a couple of people who have had them - or at least who have had them and told me about it. One of them is one of my best friends and she had 3 in a year, it was just heartbreaking to see. She is now pregnant and due in February and is just allowing herself to get excited bless her. My mum had a miscarriage too in between me and my sister.

It really is unbelievable what people say - if I want to give sympathy about something I have no idea about (like the loss of a baby) I just say something like 'I'm so sorry, I wish I could say something to make it better and I'm always here if you need to talk' - and I might ask occasionally how they are doing because I know sometimes it's hard to bring something up again unless someone asks.

Well I don't want to get too excited but I am hoping I have beaten the cystitis! I can get antibiotics over the counter here so I went to see a nice pharmacist who dosed me up with antibiotics and then gave me some expensive anti inflammatories (which I cursed her for as thought she was just trying to make money) and since taking them I have felt soooo much better! It can't be that the antibiotics have done anything already so must be the anti inflammatories, amazing! Sorry to the pharmacy lady for slagging her off for upselling!

I remember talking about my miscarriages with a few selected friends and family - I was amazed at how many had suffered the same and had never mentioned it. Should be spoken of more, too many people quietly suffer when they could share the sadness with those who understand. And while I am allowed to rationalise it with the thought that there must have been something wrong and this was for the best rather than bringing a child into the world only for them to suffer unbearably and then die - that's my prerogative.

Wow catching up on the thread and so sad to hear all these stories of mc. I had no idea this was something that happened so commonly, that's terrifying! Bother Gakay Commander I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you and so many other on this feed

I think the ladies who haven't had one may be in the minority! I know two irl who have definitely not had one.

Hey, Muddy - don't want to freak anyone out - 'tis a sad fact that so many to end in MC early on, but more don't than do! My ancient-ness (40) makes it a lot more likely, so please don't get the fear! x

Thanks Bother, I will def try not to worry about it, esp as have only just started trying. I just think it's sad there's so many people going through this yet no one or maybe just me seems to know anything about it. There must be so many people suffering in silence not feeling able to talk about it

Can we group hug again? I'm getting all teary here.
I'll start.. Huuuuuuuuuuuuuug
MCs suck. If I'm ever pg again I'll have the fear.

Huuuuuuuuuuuugggggggg!!!!

definitely group huuugggg from me viroids!!!!! I always feel a bit of a fraud with my own experience (emergency removal of Fallopian tube after ectopic, but I was 19 and hadn't even got a clue I was pg so didn't really register until I had recovered from the op and even then I don't think I ever really felt that sense of loss I would have got had I known!) I can't begin to imagine how heart breaking it is and I send love to all who have been through it!!

just - probably really insensitively - changing the subject... does anyone watch emmerdale and seen tonight's?! I won't say incase I spoil it for anyone but kind of felt like throwing heavy items at the tv!!!

Group huuuuuuuuugggggg
xxx

I'm in on the group hug! It's all shit but we get through it because we have to.