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Ok I've checked and now I'm worried. It was nmol/L. The results on Friday had a note that said "consistent with early pregnancy" but today's doesn't :( As far as I can tell it's below the bottom of the scale.

Penny has asked me to start taking another 2 utrogestan a day orally (boak) and to have my bloods tested again on Wednesday.

FFS. How can the HCG go up so much if it's not a viable pregnancy?

pout I'm sorry to hear about the bladder stuff. We have all been through so much fiddling on this thread!

I am loving doll's straight talking.

sammy I've heard Taking Charge of Your Fertility is supposed to be good. I just read the FF tutorials and picked it up from there.

nelly you only need folic acid and maybe Vit D, but I took Pregnacare Plus to cover all bases!

Bloody hell that is one heck of an increase! No wonder you are seeing nice dark lines on your pish sticks.

I'm sorry you are worrying about progesterone levels. Mine weren't tested in either of my pregnancies, so I can't help on that one.

ray I am sorry to hear about the panic attack. That sounds awful.

K I've found something on google to calm me, at least a little. This thread (first reply) says that in IVF cycles, vaginally taken supplementation doesn't get into the blood much as it's utilised where needed. Injections hit the blood more. And of course I don't have a follicle doing this for me so it's all from the suppositories for now. I think. .

nelly I think that number is fine for progesterone it usually needs to be between 9 and 47.

For the scale the uk use buzz? I can't find anything to tell me what is normal :(

Buzzy I think that's the other scale (NG/mg)

here says 32.6 is low end of normal for this stage, but I will cling on to the IVF/not going into blood answer for now.

Repeat bloods booked for Wednesday. Sigh. Euphoria lasted about 20 minutes.

Massive massive cluster post. I also believe that own egg IVF (with Stimms and HCG trigger) helps trigger progesterone production, which of course I didn't have with DE. There are ladies on the FF a Serum thread with much higher numbers than me though, but maybe they are on injections, which are metabolised by the liver and therefore hit the blood.

I'm sure I will calm down later but this is freaking me out. Can you tell?

Oh shit nelly I have completely gone and scared you. I am sorry! But you are right, there is something about taking progesterone and perhaps not ending up in blood stream. Just checked a text message from my doc friend who tested my progesterone early on and he said "you are taking progesterone so can't really interpret the results". Your levels are probably much higher than that.
I think my knowledge is quite skewed on all this because of my previous clinic so I don't know enough.
But everything is just fine. Your levels have gone way up and you are being monitored by Penny.

Nelly my prog was 6.1 when I was bleeding which is BAD. Then it went up to 31 after I started taking shots. I think 29 sounds perfect.

WOW on the Hcg. Sounds like there is more than one in there!! That is more than my HCG was at 5 weeks.

star don't feel bad about bringing up miscarriage or scaring us - joy and I have both had mcs, and I had a full-term neonatal loss in January so we are all likely to be shitting it anyway the entire pregnancy. I am just so sorry you went through it, it's awful. Hoping that you can get on the IVF train ASAP. An HSG would also be good. Can't believe you haven't had any of this yet.

Fluffy you usually stim for two to three weeks so ec would be mid Dec and with luck you'll be PUPO at Christmas.

ray thinking of you and hoping you're ok.

So does cyclogest not hit the blood stream but the injections do??

But nelly Penny is putting you on more progesterone now isn't she? What did she say abiut your levels? I feel so bad for mentioning this in the first place, you are suppose to be enjoying eating your hat.

Joy I won't lie, you did scare me . But generally I prefer information. If things are going to go wrong I want to prepare. Are you on pessaries or injections? Tell the truth . The slight worry despite some google-calming is I'm on 800mg a day already and actually have been using a 400mg cyclogest overnight courtesy of Buzzy (to make sure I use everything up) which is now 1000 per day; so I'm already on massive doses. I'm now adding 400mg orally. I will fast before my test on Wednesday and see if that makes a difference. It does seem odd that my HCG is so high now. And maybe DE makes a genuine difference. Please don't withhold information though, it's important to have truth out there. Not least if anyone googles this in the future.

Critter that's the US scale though, which is NG/mg or something and as Buzzy mentions, over 9 is good, the UK scale seems to be 32 or up. It still,breaks my heart to read when you write about J. I assume for now things look quiet, will you scan again soon or wait until your trip? I think you maybe already said, sorry. (Baby brain . )

Fluffy on my 3 own-egg cycles I stimmed for 16 days the first time, about 12 the second and only 8 the third. So it's very hard to be sure but you will know better after the first scan. If you need any advice on the jabs, do ask even if the hospital show you. We've done it more than they have, in all honesty!

I feel a bit Dizzy. Wonder if that's meaningful in any way or just my cold. Probably the latter. The sneezes are well 'ard .

Cross post Joy, no no no don't feel bad. Yes, when I read that article it said pessaries don't get metabolised via the liver so don't really (at all?) hit the blood. The intramuscular injections however do go via the liver and therefore can be measured in blood tests. I do know also it's got a very short half-life so it's is probably all fine, but the HCG was too high for me to worry about. Needed to find something else....

Ooh nelly dizziness is an early pregnancy symptom! I had it with James and with my summer pregnancy.

Thank you for asking. No more bleeding thank goodness. The progesterone injections seem to have sorted it, although I now have a very sore bot, like I've done a LOT of squats.

I have my next scan on Tuesday 2 Dec, so in just over a week. I will be 7+5 then if it clings on. Hoping that at that scan it will still be there and I can graduate from the IVF clinic. I haven't told my lovely consultant who delivered James yet because last time I did, I miscarried the next day. He called me and was really nice, but I felt bad about getting his hopes up, like I'd cried wolf or something.

I'm going home tonight for a week to London, partly to escape Thanksgiving here with husband's cousins and their babies. Was idly wondering about getting another reassurance private scan while there but I think I will hold off and just wait the week out, I don't fancy yet another strange doctor dildocamming me.

Nelly - how many could there be max?!

There's not a lot of love on here for temping - I can see the good and bad sides to it, so am going to do a couple of months and see how I go!

Waves to everyone - hope you're all okay, X

Nelly - ok so There is absolutely nothing to panic about then because you are on plenty of the stuff and the levels won't be picked up in blood. I am on 2x 400mg cyclogest and the injections so my levels are going to look high in blood tests.
I really am sorry though. please do tell me you feel calm and happy again! Your bean(s) are just fine.

Star - that's great you get 3 rounds and I hope you can crack on soon. And don't feel bad about mentioning mmc on here. Many of us often talk about them.

I tried counselling twice and was told the woman was excellent with 20years experience but it didn't do anything for me. I felt like I was trying to fill the silences so it all felt awkward. This thread is my therapy ground. For me it's much easier to write things down as face to face I refuse to crumble.

Nelly, those look like twin numbers to me :) :) my doctor told me that I should take the pessary in the front door because then it gets absorbed directly into the uterus so that makes sense about the blood stream thing. Also, I think the progesterone is fairly meaningless if you are on supplements anyway. You can't compare to a non assisted cycle.

Joy, yes this thread is my therapy too.

Critter, have a fabulous London trip. I do love London. I keep meaning to ask you if you ever got the wooly hug?

Ray a lovely mnetter's husband is personally delivering it to us just before Christmas. He'll be in town on a US business trip.

nelly Most likely the same as you and mine was 24 then went up to 31 I think, what did Penny say??

Oh wow, how sweet to think if the hug being hand delivered :)

Crikey this thread moves fast!

Joy and Critter, thanks for your thoughts, and yes hoping to get on the IVF train (or at least book my seat) at my appt early December. Feeling a bit daft now for not pushing for things like HSG sooner (kept hoping I would get pregnant again post miscarriage I suppose). Sorry too to hear of other losses on here. Nice to have people who know how it feels.

Big yay for Nelly. I have no idea what all your numbers mean, but sounds good to me. Hope you have managed to step away from Dr Google for a bit.

Joy sorry I was off doing hobbles (had to get Mr Nelly to help due to dizziness) so only just replying. Yes I do feel a bit better now, thank you, I'm glad you are also on injections then as it backs up the theory. :) And as you say, the progesterone is there somewhere. I did read one thing that implied I might not be shoving them high enough up so will try that.

Buzzy that's reassuring so thank you for that. My main concern is it going down but perhaps it's not really relevant. I will try not to panic so long as the HCG keeps rising. Penny said not to worry I just needed extra support, but I didn't really get a technical response.

Sammy, I had two blastocysts put back. However there is always a chance they could split so I guess technically 4 is a possibility. I'm not thinking that is the scenario here though as my numbers would be much higher. I don't think they are at triplet level either (I hope!).

Joy and Ray yes I guess the increase does seem to slightly suggest a possibility of two, but I guess I will figure that out soon enough. We had two put back so we knew it was a possibility.

Critter I am fairly certain your doc didn't think you had cried wolf! He seems like such a good guy. I hope you have a lovely break with family and pleased the injections are doing their thing.

Star wow I must have missed the 3 round bit in amongst my panic that is amazing. As you can tell, I don't know about the numbers either but perhaps I should keep my head in the sand!

Ray I am glad you've heard something similar in real life, as you can never fully trust the internet eh, well except here.

In a weirdly spooky coincidence, I went on to the MNWH website today to see if I could see a pic of Critter's Hug. I was just wondering if you'd received it. How bizarre that Ray asked just today. :) It is brilliant you are getting it in person, and hopefully will be a heart-warming memory filled with love, and not too sad a moment. You know everyone who contributed poured every ounce of love and support they could down the needles.

Right I'm off to scour pinterest or something to keep me off of medical sites. Sorry for drama. Again .

If in doubt about drugs, always ask Lance Armstrong .

Basically reinforces the blood test theory.