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For anyone TTC or thinking about TTC with Soy Isoflavones

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Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 23/10/2014 21:18

I will be starting soy isoflavones tomorrow, cd 3.

This will be my 11th cycle TTC, with two chemical pregnancies/ early miscarriages @ about 5weeks so far this year already.

I've read up quite a lot on SI, and just at the point now where I'm thinking, what the hell, I'll give it a go!

Anybody else TTC with soy isoflavones?

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EnglishGirlsReturned · 30/10/2014 08:38

Thank you Metal. Hope soy bring a you your much longed for sticky bean too hun Smile

spinningirl10 · 30/10/2014 09:27

Frolic, it's English with the bfp not meGrin

Congratulations again EnglishGrin and also to ProbablyGrin

I woke up with a headache again but it seems to be passing so I can live with that.

Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 30/10/2014 09:32

congratulations English! So pleased for you!

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BabyBump2B · 30/10/2014 10:07

Hi Ladies - I have a pretty regular 26 day cycle. I'm currently on CD6 - is it too late for me to try SI?

Thanks!

LoopyLa · 30/10/2014 12:30

Probably & English Congratulations! Does this mean that this thread has a 100% success rate already?! Grin

LoopyLa · 30/10/2014 12:31

Feel free to post pics of BFPs, I love looking at them Smile

EnglishGirlsReturned · 30/10/2014 13:36

Here it is! Brought some frers this morning to test tomorrow and Monday and then I'm giving up!

For anyone TTC or thinking about TTC with Soy Isoflavones
spinningirl10 · 30/10/2014 14:37

Aww English, bought a tear to my eye seeing that test, so happy for you xx

EnglishGirlsReturned · 30/10/2014 15:06

Thanks Spinning! Hardly believe it myself. Hope soy works it's magic for you this cycle ... 3rd time lucky and all that! Smile

Frolicacid · 30/10/2014 15:37

Whoops!! spinning! Maybe I'm having a premonition Grin

Congratulations english.

I just did one of my mid stream opk' sat work!! It was negative, but the line is stronger than Tuesday's so hopefully ovulation is on it's way! We've not managed dtd yet this cycle due to visitors over the weekend and my massive migraine. Hopefully tonight's the night to start getting back into the swing of things.

BobsyBoo · 30/10/2014 18:52

Congratulations Probably and English

I'm on CD4 and going to take 120mg of Soy tonight, then 160mg tomorrow and on 200mg on CD6.

Hopefully the Soy will bring BFP's for us all!

spinningirl10 · 30/10/2014 19:00

Thanks English, I hope so toGrin

Haha Frolic, ooh yes maybe it was a premonitionGrin

Mam31 · 31/10/2014 14:35

Hello ladies. Just came across some of my old pals on here whilst looking up Soy Iso! And very pleased to see Kitty is very pregnant! Congrats!!!!! And English just got your bfp, yay!!!! Congrats to you also!

Spinning hello my friend, I hope you are doing ok?

I am interested in these SI, but have 23-25 day cycle and ov around cd 12/13 however spotting 3-4 days prior. Do you think it would help my LP by bringing ov forward ladies? I'm a soy virgin!

NewEraNewMindset · 31/10/2014 14:40

Awwww well done guys Grin

Is there any dose that you think might work on a regular cycle, OV day 11/12 each month?

spinningirl10 · 31/10/2014 15:16

Mama, it's so lovely to see you. Miss you around here. If you check out the conception board there's a thread running about soy. I'm on my 3rd soy cycle now. For 2 cycles I took them cd3-8. First cycle got positive opk on cd11 as normal. Second cycle got positive on cd9! This cycle I'm taking them cd5-9, cd 8 today. My cycle are 28days ish and as I'm older I want to improve egg quality.
It might be worth a go Mama, stats say that 77% of women get their bfp first cycle! How are you doing?Grin

spinningirl10 · 31/10/2014 15:17

Haha this is the soy thread!! I've probably repeated everything I said down thread, sorryBlush

NewEraNewMindset · 31/10/2014 15:30

I was thinking of taking 80mg between cd2-6 just to strengthen eggs.

GingerbreadHead · 31/10/2014 15:31

Hi mam It could help bring your ov forward, I normally ov cd17 but got a +ve on cd15 this cycle after taking 100mg of soy days 4-8. That said, last cycle which was soyless I got a positive on cd14, which is pretty unusual for me, so who knows if it is or isn't the soy! I have done lots of reading up on it with regards to taking it with a regular cycle, and think as long as you don't over do it with the dose, and don't take it any earlier than days 3-7 then hopefully it can only do good things. And if it doesn't, well at least you have tried and can move on from it! After trying for 17months I figured it couldn't do any worse, and thought I would rather put up with it messing with my cycles than not even trying it at all! I guess same advice for you too NewEra, try just 100mg or 120mg each day (depends where you buy it from)on days 3-7 or 4-8.
Good luck! 1dpo here, let the count down commence.....

GingerbreadHead · 31/10/2014 15:34

Oh x posts New! They recommend 100mg as a minimum dose, but of course it is up to you! cd2-6 will potentially increase the amount of eggs rather than strengthen ones you produce on your own anyway, cd 3-7 will do a bit of both, and cd4-8 or 5-9 will improve the quality and strength of any egg you produce on your own, but not produce any more eggs....hope that makes sense! There was some really useful information floating around on a couple of threads....let me see if I can find it again.....

GingerbreadHead · 31/10/2014 15:37

Found it...apologies to those who have already read/ know all this!

Soya Isoflavones are derived from soya beans. They have been dubbed “the natural Clomid,”
As they work in pretty much an identical manner.
Just like Clomid; Soya Isoflavones work by tricking your body into thinking its low on oestrogen. Your body then kick starts production of FSH (Follicle-stimulating hormone) followed by LH (Luteinizing hormone) Which are both necessary to release Healthy Eggs during ovulation.
FSH is released at the start of the menstrual cycle; it stimulates the growth of an immature egg into a fully matured egg. When the egg has matured your body then releases a surge of LH. LH is the hormone that tells the ovary to release the egg.

WHEN?
You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on either CD 1-5 , 2-6, 3-7 , 4-8 or 5-9.
If you take soy Isoflavones during the later time bracket, for example CD5-9, you shall strengthen the egg that has already started growing producing a healthier egg. The earlier in your cycle you take It, the higher your chance of releasing multiple eggs but these eggs will not be as mature as the eggs grown from taking Soya later.
A lot of women will choose the middle cycle (3 -7) allowing time for a strong and healthy egg to develop without erasing the chance of a second egg being developed and released.

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

DOSE?
The dose is really down to you but you should always use the lowest amount that works for you.
With Clomid the starting dose is 100mg. Soya Isoflavones are said to be half the strength of Clomid, so it makes sense for the starting dose to be 100mg.
The trouble with 100mg of soya is that the capsules tend to come as 40mg. So you have a choice of starting at 80mg.
Some women change the dose on different days. So they may start at 120mg for the first 3 days then give an extra boost for the last 2 days with 160mg.

As I have said though, use the lowest dose possible for yourself. If you ovulate using 120mg/day stick to that for a few cycles. GIVE IT A CHANCE. It is said that it takes 3months to get the full benefits of what you are taking. NEVER EXCEED 200mg/day.

OTHER BENEFITS?
The following potential health benefits are attributed to Isoflavones:
Reduce heart disease risk
Protect against prostate problems
improve bone health
Reduce cancer risk

SIDE EFFECTS?
As with any medication, taking Soya Isoflavones may cause side effects such as:
Nausea
Headaches
Dizziness
Hot flushes
Night sweats
Cramping
Diarrhoea
Lack of fertile cm
Thrush
Obviously the higher the dose you take the higher your chance of experiencing side effects.

DO NOT TAKE SOYA ISOFLAVONES WITHOUT CONSULTING A DOCTOR IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
Breast cancer, hepatic disease, prostate cancer, kidney disease, taking hormone treatments, thyroid disease, and allergies to soy, peanuts or other legumes.
Soy Isoflavones should not be taken while breastfeeding or pregnant.
Soy Isoflavones may interact with the following medications; androstenedione, antibiotics, clomiphene, DHEA, contraceptives and other female hormones, finasteride, raloxifene, red clover, tamoxifen, testosterone and other male hormones, thyroid hormones, and toremifene.
NOTE: Just like Clomid, Soya Isoflavones may not help some women at all!
Although research carried out on FF has shown that 77% of women taking Soya Isoflavones on the stated days at the stated doses, got there BFP on their first cycle taking them!

NewEraNewMindset · 31/10/2014 15:49

Oooooh I am loving the sound of taking it 5-9. If I could push OV back a couple of days that would be AMAZING!!!!

Mam31 · 31/10/2014 16:00

Hello spinning, I'm doing ok thanks. Struggling on cycle 20 I think :/ willing to try something new, think I'll try SI when next cycle arrives. Worth a shot surely with those success rates!

Ginger excellent info thanks so much! Very informative and helps me to decide when I might take it. Hope your doing ok.

spinningirl10 · 31/10/2014 18:36

It's tough isn't it Mama, I'm on cycle 17ish now, gets frustrating month after month. Fx we both get our bfp's soon Grin

Mam31 · 31/10/2014 19:13

Indeed spinning. But there is hope- onelife got her bfp this morning :)

GingerbreadHead · 31/10/2014 19:42

Ah I remember onelife from various threads, hurray!! There is hope indeed! I am on cycle 17ish too spinning, I've given up counting now. Just had to draw up a chart to remind myself what pills to take when and what the dosage is for each, on top of the soy! I'm going to be rattling with all of this lot!

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