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TTC after MC - the best shit place to be!

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Treaclepie19 · 21/10/2014 15:56

The Rules...

(1) A lady may only POAS on a Friday.
(2) Friday means the day that everyone calls Friday in the time zone where you spent the night.
(3) Rule (1) does not apply to POA-OPK-S, UNLESS they are being illegitimately used as surrogate HCG detectors, in which case Rule (1) most definitely does apply
(4) Rule (1) does not apply following a BFP because if you want to waste £25 a day POADigiS that's your prerogative
(5) Rule (1) does not apply if a lady is POAS in an attempt to get a BFN to prove she can start DTD with intent
(6) Rule (1) does not apply if a lady wants for unknown reason to pee on an actual stick, like a twig or some such, if that lady is unexpectedly caught short whilst tramping in the forest looking for bears.
(7) These rules (including Rule (1)) are subject to the change at any time if the ladies of the Posifrickentivity thread decide on a whim come up with empirical evidence to prove that it is luckier to POAS on any other day of the week
(8) Violators of Rule (1) shall be subject to fish throwing.

And as a grand finale, why not pledge to NEVER POAS before 14DPO?

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AmyyLawsonn · 06/11/2014 08:53

Hi Moonlight,

So sorry for what you have had to go through. Can't imagine how you must be feeling. Life is sooo cruel at times. Hoping you get your sticky bean xx

AmyyLawsonn · 06/11/2014 09:50

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to get a BFN if you're still slightly bleeding from a medically managed MC? I first started bleeding last Wednesay, spent all day in hospital Thursday to pass almost everything, now I'm only bleeding a little (mainly old blood sorry if tmi!) I'm getting so tearful seeing my BFPs but can't stop myself from testing :( just want a bit of closure after this nightmare!

NewEraNewMindset · 06/11/2014 09:53

Amy I had a natural early MC at 6.5 weeks and tested bfn after my first AF post MC. I think it was around 6 weeks after the first day of full bleeding.

It's very individual though and my body seemed to take a long time to clear the hormone.

Thepurplegiraffe · 06/11/2014 09:55

Amy mine was natural but was bfn after about 3 days so it completely depends on the person. Hope you get it soon.

AmyyLawsonn · 06/11/2014 10:05

Thanks ladies. I'm just being super impatient lol :/

NewEra, a 6 week wait sounds horrendous :( x

chasingtherainbow · 06/11/2014 10:09

Oh moonlight :( I am so sorry to hear of your difficult journey. You poor thing. I am in Bristol so of no help irl but this thread has been amazing so far, so please stay.

Amy I think everyone is so different. I was shocked (and somewhat distraught) to see a bfp when I tested a week later. Obviously I know now my hcg Is rising which is why but I know how your feeling. All I wanted to see what a negative test.

I'm bleeding like a normal period today..

NewEraNewMindset · 06/11/2014 10:18

Oh chasing your body sounds like it's dealing with it at last!! Your numbers should come down now and I will bet after your bleed you will test neg.

Amy it was actually the most difficult part if the process for me. I think it was because my mc was very very slow, no sudden gushes of blood or dramatic happenings. Just a slow loss of blood over weeks.

chasingtherainbow · 06/11/2014 10:20

Oh god, newera I reallllly hope you are right.

NewEraNewMindset · 06/11/2014 10:36

I can only tell you from my personal experience. I started bleeding and they carried on testing and my numbers started decreasing. Took two weeks for the bleed to end, as I had obviously built up a good thick lining, and a few days after the bleeding stopped I tested negative.

chasingtherainbow · 06/11/2014 10:57

Was that a 2nd bleed newera? I'm just trying to recall if you've already told me your story, ??sorry.. head is mushy

AmyyLawsonn · 06/11/2014 11:14

Hi Chasing, been thinking of you hope you are ok. I bet it feels bittersweet today but let's hope this is the start of your body recovering and getting back to normal.

NewEra, I bet it was extremely difficult :( I don't know if it's just me but the days seem to drag now. 6 weeks would have been torture for you :( do you mind me asking how long it's been since then? And how are you doing now? X

Monten · 06/11/2014 11:38

Welcome amy bella haribo moonlight and anyone else I have missed. Sad to see so many new faces here but you have come to the right place for virtual handholding, hugs, and even giggles. We have all been through so much, more than anyone deserves, but yet there is still humour here.Its kept me sane.

moonlight my first baby also had trisomy 18, Edwards syndrome. 'Luckily' for me it was picked up at the 12 week scan. I can't imagine how you felt getting to 20weeks to receive that news.

I'll never forget that scan. I was the last appointment of the day and they were running late. When I first got in there a trainee sonographer started but almost immediately passed over to the experienced one (I realised later why). I was so thrilled to see a proper baby with a heartbeat, a missed miscarriage had been my biggest fear. But I wasn't as thrilled as I thought I would be, I felt quite detached, like an out of body experience. I think I knew something was wrong. The sonographer was just so so quiet. After ages,about 30 minutes, she said 'that's done' and I had a rush of relief (surely if something was wrong she would have told me). Then she turned and looked at me and said 'there's something wrong with the baby'. And told me all the wrong things she'd seen - nuchal fold of 9mm, leaking heart, no stomach. It was the worst moment of my entire life. I was terrified. We elected to have a termination after the trisomy 18 was confirmed. It was such a difficult thing to do but it wasn't a difficult decision. We spared him for being born only to suffer for a few days. You did the same for your baby. It's the most loving thing any mother could have done.

This happened in January, in April I for pregnant again, which ended in a MMC in June. Like you I feel so sorrowful and angry that it seems to be so straightforward for other people. Why did we have to be the unlucky ones? The first time the midwives assured me we had just been very unlucky, now I know that there's no law that means it can't happen again, that we've been through enough.

BUT the odds are very much in your favour to have a happy healthy pregnancy next time. As I'm sure you know, Trisomy 18 is a random mutation, it's not inherited. Miscarriages and chemical pregancies are sadly much more common but a healthy baby is still the most likely outcome the next time you get pregnant.

I always think the most awful part of what we are going through is that it is grief, layered with fear (will we ever get pregnant again, will that ending miscarriage). But all of us are brave, one day at a time. Better, brighter, happier times are ahead, but you will never forget the babies that you lost.

I am south east london so not too close to surrey. It's nappy valley round here though so I understand how it feels to be surrounded by babies.

P.s next time I am going to have the harmony test at the Fetal Medical centre. It's ££ but it means at 12 weeks you know if baby has any of the major trisomies without the need for invasive testing.

Sorry that turned into a masive essay! It feels good to write it down tho sometimes, doesn't it?

Hugs to all xx

NewEraNewMindset · 06/11/2014 11:51

Chasing I have had two miscarriages, the bleed I'm talking about was with my second. I implanted late and tested positive after my period. I never got further than a faint pregnancy test. My numbers went from something crazy like 4 up to around 280 or something at it's peak. The doctor kept trying to congratulate me on my early pregnancy but I knew I was about 6 weeks gone.

They kept monitoring my HCG and around the time my period would have arrived, I started bleeding, this went on for two weeks, I tested negative afterwards and then unfortunately that cycle was fucked as well.

The important thing is that hopefully your body has worked out it's not pregnant on it's own and it will flush out the tissue that is left that is still generating the pregnancy hormone.

Are they testing your levels again?

NewEraNewMindset · 06/11/2014 11:54

Amy I'm 40 in February so I think a lot of my situation is age related. I had a very problem free, perfect pregnancy that resulted in my toddler when I just turned 37. We started trying again when he was 6 months but I didn't ovulate until I stopped breast feeding him at 1 years old. I then fell pregnant immediately and miscarried at six weeks, then fell pregnant again in April but it was late implantation/non viable. Nothing since sadly.

chasingtherainbow · 06/11/2014 12:23

Everyone's stories are so sad. Flowers and Cake all round.

We conceived dd first month, had a textbook pregnancy and a wonderful birth experience. I think I was on a high for 18 months after! Just looking at her helps me feel at peace. I felt so empowered.

We started trying for no2 when she was turning 2. For the longest time we were sure I wasn't even ovulating. When I got this bfp I was so happy but immediately worried. The tests were light (as you can see from my pics a few pages back) I started bleeding and I accepted what was and felt ok. Sad but ok. Guilty even for not feeling worse and being ready to try again. Then I took an ovulation test after the bleeding stopped and got an instant pos and thought I'd take a frer to see a negative. That's when this whole mess started. I ended up with several super strong bfp's, way stronger than before the bleed. So now I've had two internal scans and 3 blood tests. My womb is empty.. my tubes seem empty. But my hcg is rising. Today I'm bleeding again exactly 2 weeks since I stopped bleeding when the mc first occurred. Tomorrow they will scan me again and take what I hope/assume is a final blood test. I'm not sure why he is scanning me again though if I'm honest.

chasingtherainbow · 06/11/2014 12:30

Yesterday's hospital visit was awful. The drs were insensitive and I found the whole thing somewhat traumatic, my situation pales in comparison to the tragic losses some of you have suffered. I felt I had my first glance at how different one persons experience can be from another's, so like when some of my friends have described traumatic or upsetting birth experiences and the treatment from their health care professional and I just couldn't fully understand because I'd never had that.. now I see how quickly things can escalate and how unsafe and scared you can feel in the care of these people.

Yesterday I led on a cold bed while the dr asked me straight faced why I was crying. . Don't cry! And the nurse chaperone quizzed me on my dd then said "I bet she's desperate for a sibling" yes you stupid woman. The one I'm miscarrying .. The scan was painful and I felt utterly alone and like no one cared, like I was stupid for being so upset. Then after it was over her listed my options "to kill this pregnancy tissue" and then just left me. All I kept thinking was. Oh my god. If this is even an ounce if what some people suffer in similar circs or birth .. It doesn't bare thinking of.

AmyyLawsonn · 06/11/2014 13:01

NewEra, so sad hope you get your sticky bean soon.

Hope we all do. I never knew so many brave ladies had to go through all this heartache and pain before my experience. So glad to have found you all (although obv wish you all weren't in this situation at all!) as I don't feel so alone anymore.

Chasing, how very insensitive of them! I remember the EPAU describing my options by saying 'getting rid of the tissue' and similar words which was awful... That 'tissue' was my baby who we had plans and hopes for. I really think more needs to be done to train them to be more sensitive and supportive! Hope all goes well tomorrow for you x

Metalhead · 06/11/2014 13:09

I'm so sorry you've had such an awful time at the hospital chasing. Some people really should not be working in the 'caring' profession, or at least think about what they're saying before they open their mouth!

chasingtherainbow · 06/11/2014 14:59

YY amy.. He said they needed to "kill the pregnancy tissue" more than twice. I just kept thinking, tissue to you. Baby to me. Q

AmyyLawsonn · 06/11/2014 15:02

Exactly! Makes me sure these people have never been through it themselves. We don't expect them to hold our hand and cry for us but a little bit of sensitivity would be helpful! X

MaGratgarlik1983 · 06/11/2014 15:48

Gosh chasing that sounds so awful you poor thing. Lots of hugs and cake needed - allowing time to process everything is so important. Very insensitive medical professionals. I hope everything works out soon.

Could I ask you ladies about cycles after a chemical pregnancy? I had one at the start of September (about 4 weeks + 4) started bleeding like a normal period and then negative test the next day. Then no AF from September 5th until yesterday (9 ish weeks?) so I assumed I'm just skipped a cycle - I sometimes do anyway and I'm usually around 31 days but also a bit irregular. Anyway, started spotting last night and have some red blood today but it's really light compared to normal. I was expecting it to be heavier? Could it be due to thinner lining in uterus the cycle after cp? Or is this what annovulatory cycles are like? Does anyone have any advice? Greatly appreciated thank you :)

broodylicious · 06/11/2014 16:01

WTAF?! chasing, you poor thing, I can't believe someone could be so unfeeling. I hate the expression "retained products of conception" and remember I was really upset by the doctor using it when I was in hospital for my mva. I understand they are medically trained, use medical speak and don't see vaginas, wombs etc as anything embarrassing/sexual - our bits to them, I guess, are like a PC or laptop that I work with - but somewhere along the line, there has to be a realisation by them that we are human, losing our own, very much longed for, flesh and blood. Mumsnet did a campaign a while back about how hospitals treat mc and women suffering, so I'm just hoping good things will come of that.

chasingtherainbow · 06/11/2014 16:14

garlik my cycle after my CP in 2012 continued into a normal cycle, but it basically went 10dpo- positive 11dpo - positive- 12dpo positive but light. 13 dpo - still positive but even lighter. 14dpo my period arrived bang on time. . So if you were a bit futher along your hcg may have been higher and your body taken longer to adjust?

Could someone confirm the definition of a cp to me, I presumed it was as my situation described above but once you've missed your period and the pregnancy has progressed that little bit futher it would be a early miscarriage? (As apposed to a very very early mc aa a chemical pregnancy? ) ... I don't fully understand what means what anymore though!

chasingtherainbow · 06/11/2014 16:15

Shit, I also forgot to say : I'm really sorry you find yourself here and I hope you're holding up ok. Flowers

MaGratgarlik1983 · 06/11/2014 16:39

I was only 4 days late and it went naturally like a period so think it was a CP. Just odd not to have had a period since that bleeding until now and now it's lighter than usual. Probably just my whacky cycles! Sorry for your suffering too chasing and thanks for your advice.

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