The Elderberry Pavlovas are tooling up and making plans to bust out of this joint! Evacuation by helicopter by end of September, no berry left behind!

[barkingtreefrog]

The smallprint –
Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 12+ months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot and definitely no mention of baby dust or baby dancing).
Those not abiding by the rules may be escorted from the premises.

Ahh the duggars. My favourite guilty pleasure car crash TV show.
How strange they are.

That's it really. Nothing much to say. Too tired from charity dinner last night. Just popped in to say hi.

barking it's the mind body fertility connection by James Schwartz. I'm feeling very conscious of the emotional side of ttc at the moment. That teddy you made is fab, I bet your friend will love it.

I need some charting advice. This morning ff decided to switch my ovulation day from cd 13 to cd 16. Personally I don't think either are right, I think it's probably cd 14 myself. Oddly if you change the setting from advanced to
Fam then it also changes the dates back. What settings do people use?

Morning Berries. Glad my 'nits' have caused so much hilarity! Funky and Barking hope you're both doing as well as can be expected. Thinking of you .
Amazing teddy Barking - you are so creative!!
Went to watch The Fault in Our Stars last night. Soooo sad. Stock up on the Kleenex if you're considering it
Pretty sure I OVd yesterday which was cd13 and slightly late for me. FX for a 26 day cycle so it doesn't screw up our chances of an early September start for IVF.
Off out for brunch today and then hopefully a long walk, weather permitting. Have a lovely Sunday all.

Cross post Tiger. I've no idea what the settings on FF mean but I've just checked mine and it's set to Advanced. On a side note my temps went completely mad in the first week of this cycle bum guessing it's because the weather was so warm and I was sleeping with the blankets off?

Omfg. 'Im', not bum!!

Bum guessing sounds like an interesting pass time Happy!

happy keep em coming!! Hehe! Not sure about the erratic temps although I think it's quite common around af and can also be affected by how hot it is etc. this is my chart so far....answers on a postcard as to when I ovulated please!

happy I've heard of knickerwatch but not bum guessing. Care to share the fertility connection?

Speaking of which, thanks for giving me the title again tiger, I've just ordered it from Amazon. In paperback so I can highlight and scribble if I want to! In hindsight I should have ordered it from DH's account (he's got prime) so it could have arrived early enough for me to read it this week while I'm off. I'm tight so I selected super saver delivery .

I think my settings are advanced on ff, but I quite often disagreed and would have liked an override function so you can put ov where you think it was!

Just went to the website to see the photo tiger, I'd agree with ccd14.

Hi ladies,

thanks for your wonderful welcome. I need to get quicker at these replies! Things move fast here!

tigerdog not tried BBT partly because I am a bit unsure how?!?! but did invest in an advanced clearblue fertility monitor so seriously hoping that will help... Not gone to the GP yet either because I must be honest with them and there were some lifestyle factors - alcohol/diet/weight (I'm on the lower end of the BMI) which I know they will ask me to address first. I am in the process of doing all of these now. I have started being very honest with myself and what my own faults are. That alone has been a bit difficult

gillster I think I will give it 6 months of being perfect before I go and see my GP or maybe 3 months depending how desperate I end up feeling! Good luck with your conditioning and fingers crossed for August

the raindrops totally too late for JSing I am a very obsessed lady - and spent all night dreaming about pregnancy and babies... eek!!!

oh barking I do feel for you. You must put yourself first. Your physical and mental wellbeing through this process is important. Enjoy cake

beaky hahahaha!!!!!! OMG LOVE OITNB!!! I am so sad I watched the entire season in about 3 days after it came out I need a hobby - making babies! Replacing one obsession with another...

I can also confirm, despite the initial scepticism about the reflexology, this was so weird... She asked me to tell her when she touched a part on my foot which is 'tender' so I say there - my ovaries and the again there - it was my womb... not thinking anything of it because it could be a load of old bollocks but, still very weird. Also a 'tender' bit was my bladder so I spent the rest of the day thinking I had a UTI

Happy Sunday all - my advice to all is take some R&R

xx

morning berries. was at yet another wedding yesterday, no reception so just caught up this am. thanks for the guideline wild. Mine's 2.8 so am also now going to ask for a re test. i can't believe how much text docs are supposed to read to keep up to date! absurd. No wonder things are missed.

glad you're being looked after so well barking. dh sounds a sweetie.

i started spottong yesterday so af on her way :( why this always seems to coincide with being in a room full of pregant or younger mothers i don't know. maybe i was Pol Pot in a previous life or something.

short post as on phone, which is nearly as bad as yours, happy! happy sunday all

crazy how off the bmi are you? If I remember correctly I was just scraping onto 19, which is their cut off for referring to the fc. The fc said though that as I've been slim all my life, as are my family, and I eat and exercise OK that it shouldn't matter.

Although it varies around the country, when you first go to your GP you'll need to go for blood tests and he'll need a SA. By the time the tests are done, results back and forms filled in that could be a couple of months. Then you could wait 3 months for an appointment at the fc. That appointment is only with a nurse, who will book you in for more tests. Then you wait for an appointment with the consultant. Depending on where you are s/he could put you on clomid for 6 months and tell you to come back later...

My point is, if you don't like waiting, get to the GP sooner rather than later! I started TTC when I was 32. I went to my gp after a year, when I was 33. I was just turning 35 when I had IUI. That timescale was slightly delayed by my first (clomid) mc, but only by a few months. With the NHS timescales and treatments vary hugely around the country, but get yourself in there asap. If they tell you to come back later at least you've tried, but they might not.

nolly sorry she's on her way . I'm not going to insult you by asking if you're sure!

Crazy I second Barkings advice on getting to the GP sooner, you will be amazed how long everything takes. DH and I started TTC 3 years ago and have only just finished our first cycle. The who process is pretty lengthy.

Barking I'm glad that you are taking some time off. In hindsight I should have taken time out (although I was nowhere near as far ahead as you) sooner to try and get my head around things. The bear is adorable by the way - perhaps we should go into business!

TTC is a complete mindf@@k!

Happy Sunday all - here's hoping for better weather......

Hello lovely berries, hope you don't mind me dropping in briefly from the copter (I didn't go near mumsnet until we finally got our bfp so went straight there).

Anyway, I have just under 50 internet cheapie ovulation tests and a dozen ic pregnancy tests, having put in a big order while in a very pessimistic mood. I'm unlikely to use them before they expire (May 2015) and it seems silly for them to go to waste, so I wondered if they'd be useful to anyone here? If so PM me your address and I'll pop them in the post.

Hope to see you all in the copter soon.

HB I'm actually hoping the weather stays a little rainy. Going to try a very gentle bike ride with DH. Given I'm feeling weak it's going to be on an easy trail usually fully of families and small children on bikes. A bit of bad weather might keep a few of them away .
It doesn't matter how far along you get, or if you're initially successful or not, going through any cycle of fertility treatment is emotionally (and physically) exhausting and if it doesn't work it's devastating. I probably sound like a stuck record but I was really surprised how much the IUI took out of me, I thought it was the easy option and although it's undoubtedly easier than IVF, the numerous scans and uncertainty all the way through really took it out of me. I think it will be easier next time though, worrying about what time I was going to get back to work, whether I'd get back in time for the register and not having time to prepare lessons in the morning just added another level of stress. My new job is actually closer to the hospital as well!

crazycat I'd agree with the others and go to the GP. I first went to mine back in September last year and have only just finished all investigations. The wait for an appointment where I am is generally 3-4 months so it has been really slow.

Tiger I would leave FF on advanced. If you link to your chart I could take a look?

Chart

crazy I will also recommend you get to doctors sooner rather than later. You'd be amazed at how treatment, waiting times etc vary from county to county so go and get the ball rolling. As we were older we went to the doctor after about 6mths but said we'd been trying for a year. We then went quiet and let the nhs do their thing, which was sperm sample, bloods and then nothing really so we went back after an actual year and then we got referred to a fertility doctor who did an internal scan, from that she thought my follicles were small and would expect to see more so suggested a private amh test ( tests your ovarian reserve). That came back with a low result so we were then put on waiting list for a laparoscopy. Did that, didn't get the famed 3 mth diff that can come from having your pipes cleaned. So from then we were put forward for Ivf. That was 2 and a half years after first ttc, 2 years after our first doc appt. that timeline is pretty good compared to a lot of berries so yes, get thee to a doctor!!

Yup I def think barking and hb could go into business! I'd buy from you.

Tiger I actually agree with FF that O was cd13. It's struggling as your cd11 temp is missing which is crucial. I can give you a long winded explanation if you want it but I won't bore you unless you ask

Thanks merk happy to be enlightened! 13 dpo is what it said initially but 16dpo is what it changed to today.

My day 11 temp I discarded because I had a 24 hour food poisoning and it was over 37. I have unticked to see if it makes a difference.

Thanks berries.

I think I'm going to take your very good advice and head to the GP.

I will leave it 3 cycles though so I know in my own mind I'm not wasting their time.

barking my BMI isn't really that far off, its about 18.5 but does sometimes dip to 18 - eek! I do eat well and exercise regularly. Perhaps I need to wear lead boots for my weigh in - teeheehee!

Thanks all

xx

crazy I'd second what the others have said. the nhs is there to help people having health problems .you've been ttc for over a year so you're def not wasting their time.

sorry,cant look at chart tiger. i had problems with early morning starts screwing up the chart, so i just gt fed up and stopped.

in a lot of pain here. no idea what's going on but af gets worse each month recently. pain to the point of sickness lately.v horrible

Ah nolly as a fellow sufferer you have my sympathies. Hope you feel better, maybe time to self medicate with and . I had a lap to rule out endo (there was none) so I still don't know why my periods are so bad, I guess it's just the short straw that some of us have drawn.