The Elderberry Pavlovas are tooling up and making plans to bust out of this joint! Evacuation by helicopter by end of September, no berry left behind!

[barkingtreefrog]

The smallprint –
Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 12+ months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot and definitely no mention of baby dust or baby dancing).
Those not abiding by the rules may be escorted from the premises.

barking I think that's the right thing to do. You come first. Must have been an ordeal going for the scan, it's perfectly normal to find all this very difficult. Look after yourself xx

batking so very sorry you are having to go through this. Glad you have taken next week off.

I agree - you need to look after yourself. Sod your moronic boss barking. thanks for support even in time of great strain for you

Barking and Funky so very sorry you're both going through this. It really is so very unfair .

Gil great news that you have a plan at last. You can lead the break out. Hopefully we'll all be close behind

Keeping everything crossed for you Lumen

Welcome crazy. Sorry you've found yourself in this situation but you really are in the best place.

Hi everyone else. Nothng to report here nits mid shag week again but at least it's the weekend and I only have to teach 2 days next week. Yipee!

Happy sounds itchy

Barking you are doing the right thing. It is all about you. And those gushing people? Well, that will be you and DH in September.

Is there anything medical they can do to speed things up if necessary?

rp they could, but I said I'd prefer to wait and see if it will all go naturally, it did last time, just took longer than expected as does everything

Thanks for the berry love, feeling better for having made the decision to stop fighting on with work.

And happy I thought that was more of a primary school problem, get yourself a nit comb .

Pahaha worst typo ever!! Just to clarify that should read 'IT'S mid shag week...'

They should deffo have segregated scanning areas for diffed and non-diffed.

I think you've made the right decision Barking. You're still grieving and physically aren't up to things. Take it easy and rest yourself back to good health.

You can keep those nits to yourself Happy!

Barking you have definitely made the right choice. What an awful day for you though.

A week of miss marple and cake instead of school can only be an improvement. Can I suggest that you get a netflix free trial and try out orange is the new black... not obsessed and dying for everyone to watch it speaking of which, Feather and Blindkitty have you finished season 2 yet?!

Welcome Crazy obviously want to call you crazy eyes in the theme of oitnb sorry you find yourself here but hopefully you'll be diffed in a jiff.

Happy mm nits

Gill boo to more waiting but the plan to get in excellent shape and prepare sounds great, fx for you and Lumen leading the berry jail break.

Nolly any sign? Or are you going to poas?!

I've started reading Emma Cannons fertility book, hope it has some good tips!

beaky I really liked Emma cannon's book.

Proper Lol at the nits happy!! Best typo!! Can we put that in the thread title.

Sounds really tough barking. It would be so much better to have separated areas but I suppose logistically it would be difficult and it's money too. Also would we then feel more of an underclass? Maybe not.. To be fair when I had my early scan you had to walk down to the scanning part past lots of pg women but they had separated it to one side being v early scans and scans for other things and the other side of the desk was for the more advanced pg women so I suppose they'd made a bit of an effort but everyone still used the same corridor.

Parent at work has just had a baby... This is her.... Tenth!! This led to talk of would she stop, I joked it was a nice round number, someone else said two is too. I thought so is zero.. Almost said it too! Then someone else said to diffed with no 2 colleague, aren't you going to keep going to get your old lady benefits with number 3. Something like if you have 3 you live longer, esp if you have them in your thirties, like after 33. Anyway, such conversations make me grrrr, it really is so easy for most of them.

beaky finished it yesterday! GEEZ!!! hurry up the next series!

bushy 10 kids is a bit disgusting. I know it's a personal choice but spewing out babies just because you can is irresponsible and - I know this highly judgemental of me, but I'm saying it anyway - a bit....mammal-ish. I don't know. Just makes me feel a bit sick.

My hosp has mixed scans. So you sit there in the waiting room with people crying and wailing at bad news (historically, me) and then other perfect couples with their perfect bumps beaming. I'm so sorry you're going through this barking. You're bound to feel worse before it gets better, so hang on in there. Think you're doing the right thing about work. Screw 'em!

funky how are you doing? Is you oh back? Sending you lots of Berrie power thought this difficult time. As others have said, do give it a bit of time before you decide on ivf, as it may give you answers.

gill sounds like a solid plan is in place. Yippee! Sorry you have to wait but as you say, give you time to get in peak condition.

kuma how are you doing?

nolly poas?

happy nits shagging week!

crazy welcome to the house of fun.

Happy Saturday all

Raindrops how annoying to have all those hiccups with test results. It doesn't sound right that your GP doesn't have test results from just 9 months ago. I have an underactive thyroid and I always get a print f my test results nowadays - I've given up trusting that the NHS system will work seamlessly.

The NHS guidelines on TSH level are different for women who are TTC see here...

cks.nice.org.uk/hypothyroidism#!scenariorecommendation:6

It suggests a range of 0.4 -2.0 for pre-conception. I showed this to my GP and it made a difference. I was a bit nervous of contradicting what she had said but she was lovely about it and admitted that she hadn't been aware if the TTC guidelines previously.

funky so sorry to hear that news from you. Very unfair. Does the NHS deign to investigate after the third time? Will you have a chance at some answers - not that they actually know all that much about miscarriage anyway. Thinking of you.

barking sorry you are having to go through all this. But I am delighted to hear that you will be taking next week off work. You are 100 per cent right that you have to think of yourself.

Miss Marple sounds like just the thing to retreat with. And Miss Marple does not have any children. She simply has the greatest detective mind of a generation - and all those dippy servant girls she mentors.

Welcome crazy you have found a good place for TTC angst of all kinds. And at barking's reply to crazy.

lumen congrats on your pupo and going through all those procedures whatever they are. Fingers crossed for you. Gil you have also been very brave, it sounds like. Get stuck in I reckon. At least you don't have nits for shag week like happy does.

Been a bit under the weather and rather weak here. Too weak to type! I had achey limbs and was all cold and shivery. Better now though. Think it's OV this weekend for me. DH goes away tomorrow so we have work to do before then. I feel too jaded to go chasing around the country after him trying to fit in a well-timed shag. I've decided to firmly believe that I'm ov-ing on the early side this month - it's much less effort that way!

wild thanks for the link. It is interesting to me as my thyroid is around 2.5. Don't blame you for not chasing around the globe for a shag!! Maybe use this as month off? It feels gooood not to have a 2ww to fret through every once in a while.

feather bet you're glad that you're not at glasto in this weather! Having done two really wet ones I can safely say I'm happy to be watching it on tv! Still get a bit of longing to be in the thick of things though. Think we're going to squeeze in a festival in August if not pg.

bushy 10 kids is selfish and unnecessary imo! Apparently kids' happiness growing up diminishes with each sibling they have after a certain point. Also it's not very environmentally friendly for this crowded planet. But maybe I'm just jealous.

happy that's a typo that'll stick with you hehe!

Just had to have a powernap before guests arrive. Can't drag my groggy ass out of bed! Was out last night and whilst only having a couple of drinks, I did stay out fairly late then watched Glastonbury coverage till past 2am.

tiger glad but sad. Oh and all my mates are there and I keep having waves of irrational jealousy and feeling sorry for myself. Admittedly, I've spent the last two days in bed watching films. I need to get out of the house before I go a bit weird. What festival are you thinking? Festival No.6 in Portmeirion in early September is ace and not too manic...

Aw feather that's understandable. Definitely get out of the house before the crazy sets in! We're away for festival no 6 but that would have been my first choice. Green man or possibly a little one called Beacons festival in Yorkshire we were thinking.

Ohhh, Green Man is lovely! Also End of the Road is a nice one too. And Shambala. So many lovely ones!
Jumping in the shower for the first time since yesterday morning and heading out for a walk now. Am I the only one that festers like this at home sometimes? Please say it ain't so!

Yeah I think the ten kids is excessive too but they are a catholic family who, apparently, are a bit secty, and the particular sect of the church they go to think having loads of kids is great. I just think isn't her womb going to prolapse and why can't they practise natural contraception?

I looked at that portmeirion festival, looks fab! Expensive though!!! Tbh I've never really fancied Glastonbury, just seems too big and I am not a happy camper!!

feather that mixed scans sounds awful! at least you could wait on a different side at mine although you did see heavily pg women going past and smaller bumps for scans.

wild thanks for the link and I hope you're feeling a bit better.
Now I am definitely going to request a new test - just annoyed I didn't think of this earlier so I'd have had the results for our FC appt.
Oh, just to add to the irritation there, MrP called our GP to collect his SA results but they've come back from the path lab with a request to re-do it. Obviously something got ballsed up at their end. Grr.

We agreed over lunch today a few back up plans if the FCs options are too slow. I am getting fed up just hanging about now.

Finally (after 5 months of hiding) went to see SIL today and our absolutely precious new nephew. Had a lovely long cuddle, and only welled up once when I was rubbing his perfect, tiny little toes. Induced a proper, proper maternal wobble - haven't had one of them for a really long time because I avoid babies like the plague

bushy 10?!? That is ridiculous, like those bloody Duggars. I'm with feather on the breeder-y ness.

tiger hope you woke up in time for your guests! I had a snooze too, after a drunken night out last night to celebrate our 3rd anniversary. Lots of nice food and even more nice wine,

barking glad you're taking some time off. It's not just a physical recovery, so screw your head and vegetate a bit. I hope you and DH are managing to do some nice stuff together.

Shag week here too, hopefully minus the nits! Funny that's a featured discussion on MN today.... happy???!!

Arr bless you rain. Well done for braving it. Who are the 'duggars'? Yes, know what you mean re breeders-ness, it's more like a litter of puppies. Think her husband needs to keep his willy in his pants!!

Watching a ridiculous programme on channel 5 called 'the 12 year old shopaholic'.people spending ridiculous amounts on their children like a mid week trip to toys r us spending £240 on toys!! And awful beauty pageant Essex girls in designer clothes. Yuk!!

bushy you asked for it

Any news from nolly?

tiger would you mind reminding me of the name of that book you were reading about the mind body connection? I've had a look back but can't find it. In the sprit of positive thinking I didn't buy it when I was waiting to see whether the IUI had worked....

beaky we've got Amazon prime, might have a peek at Netflix if they do a free trial....

bushy ten is ridiculous. I had a meeting at work this week with a secondary senco about a y6 child. I was warning her about the mother - the child steals, lies, is aggressive, argues with adults - but mum will always find a reason why it isn't the child's fault and will turn against anyone who suggests it is. If the child is given any punishment mum is in to argue that her child is being unfairly targeted. Anyway, my point is that this is an only child, born after 6 years of TTC and 3 mcs. A very precious child. Is this the kind of parent I could turn into if we ever get our happy ending?!

wild hope you're feeling 100% soon.

feather and tiger I'm going to be googling all those festivals to see if we can make any! Had a look earlier this year and we were away or otherwise busy for every single festival I could find!!

rain is your appointment this week? Good to have a plan b in mind before you go in, takes the pressure off a little if it doesn't look like things will move quick enough.

Very glad lovely DH ditched his stag do to stay with me, was a bit wobbly last night/this morning and wouldn't have liked to have been on my own, Had a chilled out day: went to a local antique type shop and bought a mirror made with a reclaimed oak frame; then I fell asleep on the sofa trying to finish the teddy bear I've been knitting for my mate's baby, born this week. Went out for a lovely dinner at a restaurant just opened at the end of our road, then came back and watched TV while I finished it. I swear I'm not making another of these until it's for my child.
The photo is a bit dark, trying out the camera on my new nexus 7!

Arr that is soo cute barking! You are very clever and generous to make these for people. Sounds like you had a nice day with dh. No, you will not turn into one of those people because you live on planet earth and you also know, that even though your child might be very special and much longed for, they are still a child and will do silly things. That woman probably would have been that kind of mother whether she'd got diffed straight away or not. There does seem to be an inordinate amount of parents nowadays that always believe their child and think they can do no wrong.

rain good god! what a ridiculous amount of children and miscarriages! We have a religion a bit like that in parts of the area we live in. A friend of mine moved to an area where there is a high concentration of them. V religious, conservative, wear little hankie-like head scarf things, no tv etc but the window cleaner told her try have a lot of sex!!

Ahh, barking that teddy is the sweetest and you are super-talented. The last time I tried to knit a scarf it ended up looking like it had been moth eaten. I would so love to learn how to do it properly.

rain very frustrating re SA results. Why can't people just do their bloody jobs properly!!