The Elderberry Pavlovas are tooling up and making plans to bust out of this joint! Evacuation by helicopter by end of September, no berry left behind!

[barkingtreefrog]

The smallprint –
Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 12+ months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot and definitely no mention of baby dust or baby dancing).
Those not abiding by the rules may be escorted from the premises.

Sorry for being a bad berry. I haven't read posts again. Will do this evening. I did a test that was negative again and blood test had hcg at less than 2 when should be way over 50. So third loss for me. Little chance of ever having success now. This was the shortest pregnancy of the lot. Clinic asked if I still wanted ivf appt and I said no. What's the point. Getting pregnant seems to not be too much of a problem, it's keeping it in there that's the tricky bit. Ivf wouldn't help that problem I'm sure. I'd just be setting myself up for a failure again.

Barking- hope you're doing ok considering the circumstances xx

sorry barking, sounds horrendous. wine?

oh funky I'm so sorry. that's awful news. so sad for you.

Big berry hugs to all who need them (sorry for lack of personals again)

So we had a day 3 transfer today, I have two good quality embryos safely tucked away. The transfer was somewhat horrendous as apparently I have a tilted cervix which meant she had to bend the catheter up around it, took her over 10mins to get in place. After that a smear will seem like nothing. My dh said he hated seeing me put through it!

Anyway off to sleep as totally knackered for no real reason and dh is doing my head in this evening. PUPO

funky I'm so, so sorry. Take the time out you need. It all must be such a shock. I hope you and your oh can get to spend some time together soon. Know that we're always here for you whenever you want to talk/vent. X

barking man, I wish there was something I could say or do to help. And I wish the whole process wasn't so dragged out for you. So bloody unfair. Allow yourself to feel out all emotions and try not to bottle it up. Same as with funky, thinking of you and here if you want/need a shoulder.

lumen that's really brilliant news. Hope you get the rest you need.

funky I'm truly sorry this has happened to you again. Please be kind to yourself and know we're here to support you in any way we can.

So bloody unfair Funky, sending hugs.

Sorry you're still having a tough time of it Barking. I guess it's all going to take a bit of time to feel better.

Yay to being PUPO Lumen. I can finally put the pom poms down and put my feet up . I feel your pain. The endometrial scratch yesterday was pretty darn uncomfortable - like someone pulling a fork over your insides. Ouch!

Rang clinic and explained the situation. Thought they may have rung back this afternoon (they've been pretty quick in the past) but expect it will be tomorrow as they have a reply within 72 hours rule and I can't see them ringing at the weekend. I got a positive OPK this morning (it's been a while since I've measured that) so can be fairly sure that AF will turn up in 14 days and thus could start down-regging next Thurs if they let me.

Given the positive OPK, debating with myself whether to ask DH for some bedroom action this evening. Forgot to check how soon shaggage was allowed but feel I want to make the most of the scratch and strike while the iron is hot so to speak.

Funky and Barking sending you both big berry hugs and a shoulder if needed. barking you may want to give floradix a go. There are a couple of different types but when I had post viral fatigue it helped massively and a couple of pg friends have used it instead of the dreaded iron tablets. I really hope that the bleeding settles down soon though.

Interesting comments about the extended testing. I do struggle with the rational medical side of me which says that there is no indication for testing against the side of me who has been trying to get pg for nearly 3 years who wants to figure out what the reason is - I mean there has to be one.

Anyhow, the witch is circling so keeping a low profile and waiting for the flood gates to open.....anyone want to join me back under the duvet?

Sorry, forgot to say yay Lumen PUPO

funky I am sending you huge hugs, so very sorry you're dealing with this again. I hope you and DH are together this eve. Please don't give up hope.

barking hugs for you too, and I hope tomorrow's scan isn't too much of an ordeal for you.

gil I'd say go for it. If there was an important reason NOT to after the scratch they would have told you?

lumen woo, PUPO! Hope you're feeling ok, sounds like it was not a comfortable experience.

'Barkng' look at your ferritin levels. Most doctors just look,at the haemoglobin. Iron supplements do jack all for low ferritin. You would need an iron infusion. I have them after 20+ years of anaemia and sting useless iron tablets.

'Funky' thats sad news. I'd keep the ivf appointment. Something positive might come from it. Different information perhaps.

'Lumen' great news. Enjoy your sleep. The stress of the procedure has probably worn you out. Sweet dreams.

'Barkng' can you go have a bit of me time? Even if it's just having a bath with a trashy book (and a lot of wine and chicolate)? I know nothing anyone says or does will really help but sometimes a small thing can do a lot? Very un mumsnetty hugs for you.

'Otters' bugger the lot of them and just have a fabulous time. It's all about you.

'Rain' have they checked your thyroid antibodies? You may have said so and I missed it. I swear I have hashimotos but computer says no.

And good morning and hope you are well to everyone I missed.

Not much happening here in the colonies. Winter only just kicked in and it was 0.2'c this morning. Considering it's been up to 28'c during day (and they say global warming doesn't exist) I am freezing!

Had coffee with instadiffer friend yesterday. Not as bad as I thought. DSIS is due in 3 days. Yet another differ. Have a babyshower in 2 weeks for a colleague. Another friend is 4 months pregnant I just found out. Add on the other 9 pregnant friends and I'm just frustrated that everyone else seems to have it easy.

Ahh well. Shit happens. Not much I can do is there.

Funky I am so, so sorry. What a tough time for you and your dh. As Rain says, don't loose hope, it can still happen for you and I think it will. Just give yourself some time and to be fair they couldn't have asked you at a worse time if you still wanted IVF. Maybe try the recurrent mc clinic again when you feel up to it? Im so sorry.

Barking sometimes I wish we all lived closer and at least we could keep each other company. I think RP may have something with the low iron, when you have very heavy periods they will tell you to take an additional iron supplement so with your situation it could be worth a try. But also I'd say from what youve said it could be emotional exhaustion too.

Lumen you are PUPO!!! Woohoo, all fingers crossed for you and roughly when are you testing so we can all badger you haha sorry it was unpleasant though, I have a tilted cervix too so thrilled about that IVF prospect.

Nolly any chance the witch won't turn up? Fx for you.

Gill I'd say go for it too!

Feather how is everything going with you? Has everything settled down?

HB boo to the witch, I'll share the duvet with you although you have to make room for my instadiffer pitchfork....!

Serenity yep that's a big list of differs. Feel free to borrow the pitchfork!

It appears I cannot spell or type today.

What is a PUPO?

Serenity pregnant until proven otherwise = PUPO

Just nipping on quickly to give arm rubs to funky. It is totally and absolutely unfair that this is happening again, I'm so sorry.
This is not the time to be thinking about it but I wouldn't dismiss the IVF as not being able to help because just going through it means you learn more, including having your eggs under a microscope. Can you call the rmc back and see if you can get another appointment without joining the end of the waiting list again, given the circumstances?
When will DH be home?

Thanks for all the iron advice, I'll check it out tomorrow.

Strong berry vibes heading your way lumen, we need a bit of good news.

Hi there,

Can I join?

I am 31.

DH and I have been TTC since about Feb last year. Probably not paying that much attention to when I was ovulating etc.

This month it's weird but I had this overwhelming feeling I wanted to be a mum (not helped by the fact it feels like every woman I know is either pregnant or just given birth).

I am taking my pre-natal multi-vit. Completely stopped alcohol. And testing for ovulation. Which is now! Yay!

Just can't wait to be pregnant! Also off for reflexology tomorrow for relaxation/conception purposes.

Yes I do think I may have lost the plot a little...

Anyway good luck to everyone else TTC

xx

funky I'm so sorry. It is utterly unfair and horrible.
It is probably the last thing you feel like now, but the IVF process and all the tests (including as barking said, lots of microscopes) may well bring you answers, and hopefully also treatments to overcome whatever the problem is.

Go Lumen! Keeping everything crossed for you

Happy Friday everyone else!

Oh funky, so sorry. I second what everyone else said about trying the recurrent miscarriage clinic/ ivf clinic, and maybe just taking a bit of time first to feel sad about what a shitty time you've had. So sorry.

Sorry things are so tough barking. I really hope you start to feel better soon. It's really just insult to injury when you can't even do the things you normally do to cheer yourself.

Lumen, PUPO! congrats, everything crossed for the next 2 weeks.

Waves to everyone! Should be at work!

hey everyone, have a bit of catching up to do.

funky I am so sorry that you are going through this yet again. I do second whoever said that IVF potentially could give you some answers, but perhaps if you can get to the recurrent miscarriage clinic then they may also be able to help. Someone I know who has had very similar experience to you is now 16 weeks pregnant, through a mix of managing their immune response, having the heparin injections and experiencing the joy of progesterone bum bullets. So although it may feel hopeless my lovely, there is hope.

lumen congratulations on being pupo! Will be cheering your embies on from here!

hb I'll join you under the duvet. I'm trying not to think about all matters ttc too much, and instead just go with flow. It's not easy though. Hope you're doing ok, and you had an alright week back at work. I can totally understand your need for answers though, its the not knowing that makes things so hard. Hope your hound is ok too and back to his normal loving self. I managed to frighten mine with the umbrella this morning, so I'm currently in the dog house. She is scared of the most random things!!

serenity being surrounded by differs is a nightmare sometimes. I am someone who has always loved children, and will happily hold a baby or entertain a toddler but since ttc, I have become much less interested in other people's children. Unfortunately this seems to have happened at the point that all of my friends have popped one out.

beaky hope you are having a lovely holiday! Enjoy the cocktails!

gilster hope you get an answer from the clinic. I reckon just go for it....you never know....a FUFC is always a possibility!

barking hope you're doing ok.

rain I would go to your GP rather than FC, seperate from ttc and just say that you would like your thyroid checked due to a strong family history of thyroid issues. I reckon they would do it straight away for you. Do you have any symptoms?

hi crazycat I think everyone loses the plot a little bit if they don't get pg straight away. Hopefully it is just a case of timing rather than any big issues. Have you tried charting your bbt? Have you been to the GP to start off investigations or are you giving it a bit more time?

waves to everyone else!

Morning everyone! Thank Crunchie it's Friday, I am pooped.

Welcome Crazycat! I think your probably the most junior here in terms if this whole effing TTC journey we are all on. While some people barely make it out of the drive and they are diffed, others (i.e. The Berries) seem to be on some sort of Arctic or Himalayan expedition! Howong are you going to give it before seeking help? Fortunately age is very much on your side so am sure you'll be sorted at some point.

So the FC called. They can't fit me in on this cycle but can fit me in on the next one and I have another teach appointment on 21st July. They did say it was a good thing I'd called now and not when AF came (around 10th July) as they'd be fully booked. So if my cycles behave and the embies defrost OK, I reckon transfer will be sometime during the third week in August. I guess the positive is that I can use the next 7 weeks to get into top notch condition. It's also good to get a better idea of dates so that we can get things booked.

I think that sounds like a really good plan gil and as you say, you can use the time to prepare yourself.

Good news gill, you can join batkings planned September break out!

great news gil scratch sounds nasty by the way!

lumen congrats on being PUPO. I always imagined pupo meant something like 'pupating' so glad to have cleared that up!

beaky no sign yet of AF so going nuts, as per usual. GOD WHY CAN"T THIS BE EASY. I stopped temping this month so am guessing I" on 12dpo. But too scared to poas and ruin DH birthday with sad news.

welcome crazycat and hi everyone else

pupating! That sounds fairly grim. I saw some butterflies mid-emergence at a butterfly farm recently. They were pretty gross.

gil that sounds like a good plan, and all on schedule for the September jail break!

tiger I have one cat scared of the feather duster, and one terrified of my metal measuring cups. Animals are very odd! I hope your lovely dog has forgiven you!

Hi crazy - welcome! well done on getting so far into this without obsessing over it. I totally failed at that, was onto OPKs and CBFMs within about 3 months of starting. Much better to be carefree about it, but i think it's too late for that now...

gill, lumen's right, you can start the break out with an advance party!

Welcome crazy you seem so enthusiastic and positive, just like I still was after a year of trying. Seems such a bloody long time ago now. Fingers crossed you get diffed and get your baby before you become a bitter and twisted person like myself .

nolly keeping my fingers quietly crossed for you.

I had an awful morning. Couple before us at the scan came out beaming and gushing to all the nurses. Walked past 5 heavily pg women to get to the unit (it's within the maternity hospital). Then had our scan and found that there's still stuff in there and the bleeding hasn't finished yet . Not in a happy place. Have emailed the head and told her I'm not coming to work next week. She hasn't emailed back but I'm past caring, I need to put myself first. I'm feeling worse now than I did a week ago, both physically and emotionally. I'm taking some time off and retreating to the sofa. Miss Marple and a big cream cake here I come.