Going Clucking mental? Old birds gather round.....

[Gingerbreadlady1]

A thread for the older ttc'er. Join us in the chicken coop for support, advice or just somewhere to rant.

Here's the old thread for those wanting to do serious lurking:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1978730-Old-birds-wanna-join-the-coop?msgid=47008448#47008448

[fireflyz]

Hi everyone!
Glad there is a new thread for us 35+ types! I am ttc #2 and will be 39 this year so feeling a bit panicky and daunted too, but hopeful, am an emotional mix up really! :) (I must make an app to see GP as my cycle has got shorter in the last few years & I might just be wasting head space thinking about it!)

Congratulations mampam! xxx yes it is lovely to see a nice scan pic on here! I still carry the one of our dc1 in my purse, my oh has it in his wallet too. V special. Love to all xxx

[Gingerbreadlady1]

Welcome fireflyz, you're in the right place!

Hi everyone else? How'd everyone's weekend go?

[KEGirlOnFire]

Morning all,

Monday morning - again . Weekend was lovely weather-wise but just so busy!!

A load of DD's friends have all come down with various viral infections (sickness, throat infections, ear infections, skin infections etc) and they were all at a party on Saturday afternoon so I'm praying that DD doesn't get ill. We're off to Jersey on Saturday, first time DD's ever been on a plane so I really don't want her to be ill for our holiday. It's our first ever holiday so keeping everything crossed.

CD10 here and haven't even bothered starting to DTD yet, just losing all enthusiasm. But I might try and make a start tonight, go for tonight, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday and then we go away on the Saturday morning and we're sharing a room with DD so that'll be it for this month.

Tranquility, you will get there hun. You have been through so much it really takes time to get over. I think that's why they suggest that you wait, not so much the physical side but the emotional side.

Fireflyz, welcome, you've definitely come to the right place. I'm TTC#2 aswell. Two years and counting... 40 in June.

Patch, sorry about AF hun. x

Ahhhh Tilly, it's crap isn't it. Hugs hun. x

Stubborn, When I now think about it, I don't know of anyone (apart from one friend) who hasn't either struggled to conceive or had at least one MC. Those that do it easily I think are in the minority.

Hope you're doing OK Annie, lovely background to your picture, where are you?

Spinning, I am looking forward to my party hun, got DD's to get out of the way first though...

Ginger, how are you doing hun? Another weekend closer to your holiday!

Fankle, don't worry hun, I'm sure all is fine.

Mampam, hope all is Ok with you!!

Big waves to everyone, I hope I haven't missed anyone!!

[Gingerbreadlady1]

Yay kegirl, a voice from the abyss! Awfully quiet on here...4 days till holly bags, get in. Plus witch due thurs -sat, so can console myself with cocktails on a lilo.

[Tranquilitybaby]

Hello signing in on this sunny Monday.

Woke up feeling v despondent and why me but was interested to see what my body's doing this month now I'm feeling better physically better. Two dark lines on an Ovulation test - so that good isn't it? X

[stubbornstains]

Mostly today I have been feeling crap .

Trying to chart my cycle has been driving me not a little insane. I thought I ov'd rather late for what is normally a 26-day cycle- day 16-ish- then my temps started to climb- I had bad insomnia last night, woke up @ 3.30 and took my temp- right back down again . Now I don't know whether it's the disturbed sleep, or whether I haven't ovulated.

I certainly do have PMT symptoms, though- they kicked in on supposed ov day. Oh, and I'm fasting- it's a 2 day of the 5:2. So, I am premenstrual grumpy, hungry grumpy, really tired grumpy, and fretting that I haven't ovulated grumpy. Approach with caution, basically .

[Gingerbreadlady1]

Morning everyone

tranquility hope you're feeling better today, I think I would take comfort in the positive opk, shows your body is ready for another bfp.seems quick too.

stubborn hope you got some sleep. Insomnia must be horrendous! And fuck fasting, just couldn't do that. You have a will of iron. Think charting can only be used if reg sleep patterns? That's why I haven't tried, work shifts so wouldn't be consistent.

It's my birthday today, 1 year older, where's my f''ing baby!!!!

(Feeling sweary today)

[Tilly73]

Happy birthday gingerbread
Back at work yesterday and totally shattered today
Where did the sunshine go!!

[KEGirlOnFire]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GINGER!!!! In the absence of your address (or any time - unfortunately) I will have to provide you with virtual instead of a home-made one - sorry!!! As it's your birthday, swear away!!!

Stubborn, do you want me to take a look at your chart hun? I charted for a year so I know exactly what OV looks like in regards temps.

It needs to be a very clear shift to show that you've ovulated. Mine would go from something like 36.35 to 36.65, has to be at least .2 of a shift to show that it's happened. I would often get a dip on OV day aswell. So it would be something like 36.35 (day before OV) then 36.18 (OV day) then 36.65 after. I would get the odd dip then after OV but it would never go back down as low as the 36.35. For me though, I would start to spot on the day my temp dipped (usually around 9DPO) so I always knew I would be out.

Tell me your temps I will give you my opinion.

Tranquility, well done to your body for perking up so quickly !!!

Well DTD last night and I am really starting to feel for DH. He must wonder why he's bothering because it was very obvious that I just couldn't be arsed. Bless him!!

[KEGirlOnFire]

Morning Tilly, cross-posts!!

[Gingerbreadlady1]

Thanks fellow old birds .

Ooooo, kegirl I'd kill for one of your cakes right now, any pictures of new creations? Ttc is killing our sex life. We pretty much only have sex when ttc, it's more him than me. But as its my birthday maybe I'll get lucky....

tilly how was it going back? It's quite nice here today but was pants over weekend.

[mampam]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Ginger You swear away....it's your birthday you're allowed to! Do you have any special plans for the day/eve?

Feeling a bit this morning, just found out that when my friend went for her 12 week scan yesterday the baby had no heartbeat. So she's got to wait for her body to catch up and the inevitable to happen. Feel awful for her and had a bit of a cry earlier on, I realise how very lucky I am.

[Gingerbreadlady1]

Oh god mampam, that's awful. That's one thing about these threads, makes you realise how much can go wrong, really scary.

Thanks! Being taken out to mystery venue for dinner, can't wait. Working now but fully intend to do nothing & arse about on line instead. How's the sickness?

[KEGirlOnFire]

Oh Mampam, that's really awful. I second what Ginger said, as much as the support from these threads is amazing, you also get to find out just how worrying being PG can be...

I haven't got any new creations although I'm doing a 'Frozen' cake for DD's birthday in a couple of weeks so I'll be able to post a pic of that then.

I've put some pics of some of my other cakes up though to keep you going!

[AnnieHoo]

Happy Birthday Ginger!!
Hope you have a fabulous day kicking back and surfing the net at work! Have a great time at your mystery date tonight. How exciting. It's my birthday next week and I'd love to do that but this island is so small it wouldn't much of a mystery!!

Kegirl Kurama and Ginger Enjoy your holidays! You can forget about all this and just be. ahhhhh.

Have lost 7 lbs for my holiday already. It's so easy when you're off the wine. Been out walking 3-5 miles every day in the sun and eating a lot of natural juice ice lollies! I think my hormones settling has really helped too.

Fireflyz have you been to the GP yet? If not get on the blower! They'll give you a blood test for your hormone levels etc and then you'll have more information about whether you need anything to help you ovulate.

Stubborn I also bought that book "taking charge of your fertility" - I found it really useful. I temped for last 1.5 years using the Fertilty Friend app on my iPhone. Temping is great for knowing if you've ovulated and I loved knowing my period was coming 2 days in advance because of a temp dip.

Mampam I'm sorry about your friend, it is really cruel and must be devastating at 12 weeks. It is difficult seeing others being pregnant when you've had a loss but I find it gives hope, there is new birth all the time and that's what we're all here for!

I better fly - meant to be working!

[Gingerbreadlady1]

Thanks kegirl, you are a clever lady!!!! Mmmmmm, hungry. Feet up, office door shut, reading relationship threads.

[Gingerbreadlady1]

X posts. Thanks annie, & well done on the weight loss, that's amazing! Was going to be taken to Andrew wisharts at Cameron house for surprise but its shut on tues , doh! So close! Sure wherever we go will be lovely.

[mampam]

A mystery venue Ginger can't wait to hear all about it enjoy!!

Sickness is still the same, I'm beginning to realise that going back to work after half term which is the week after next is not going to happen I keep hoping it will start to ease but unfortunately it hasn't. I'm counting my blessing though after what has happened to my friend.

Annie I hope me being pregnant won't affect our friendship. My friend is in her early 30's, has 1 DC, is engaged but she doesn't live with her DP at the moment. They have had a rocky road over the last year but are hopefully back on track now. I suspect a baby right now was not ideal but still just as painful to lose. Hopefully they can draw something positive from this and get back on track.

Well done on your weight loss

KEGirl I could murder for one of those cupcakes!! My MIL does bake me things occasionally but tbh her baking is bloody awful. I just don't understand that when you've got a basic set of ingredients used in all cakes, how she manages to make them taste vile

[AnnieHoo]

mampam no way!!! I hope I didn't come across that way! It's all part of the cycle. I LOVE hearing about pregnancies and new babies because it gives me hope for the future and the more happy stories I hear the better. Behind every pregnancy there is a story of hope and sometimes despair and am very philosophical about it all. Sometime's the conversation is a bit roller-coaster on here because we're all going through so many different emotions and stages at the same time. What I really should have stressed is that I find it very comforting to have pregnant friends around me being all normal because that is what I want for myself. xxx

[Tranquilitybaby]

Happy Birthday to you Ginger have a great day.

mampam your poor friend, heartbreaking xx

Yes it didn't make me smile yesterday to see the new lines, I'm not broken at least as that's what I was worrying about after the surgery.

kegirl beautiful cakes - yummy!

We're away next week too, a week in Cornwall, hope the sun shines for us. I have a date with my kindle on the beach.

[mampam]

Annie I don't think I worded that post very well I meant I hope my friendship with my friend won't be affected.

I'm glad you find it hopeful when others are pg and there definitely hope. Early on in the last thread I posted about 2 women I know, you probably won't have seen it as you're fairly new here!!! Apologies if you have and I'm blabbing on about the same thing.

Woman 1: suffered mc after mc and it had a real effect on her work as she was in the Early Years field and felt she couldn't be around children anymore. Eventually she did get a sticky bean and went on to have another sticky one too, all in her late 30's.

Woman 2: had twins through IVF and didn't realise that IVF can kick start a woman's natural fertility......about 11 months later came dc3

When I had DC1 many moons ago there was a woman in my post natal group who was 38, a fitness fanatic who didn't even have periods, sat there with a beautiful baby boy. She'd just assumed that as she didn't have periods she couldn't get pregnant so her and DH had never used any protection!!

I love hearing happy positive stories too which is why I stay on this thread as I find the strength of you ladies on here is amazing xx

[mampam]

Tranquility I'm glad you are not broken Have a wonderful holiday and I hope that the bloody weather cheers up for you. Think of me and KEGirl as you drive through Devon, give us a virtual wave!!

[stubbornstains]

Ooh, happy birthday ginger!

I live in Cornwall Tranquility! Do come and say hello if you see a bespectacled woman bawling at a small blond boy on the beach! Let me know if you want any recommendations on places to go- although you might have lots of ideas already....Whereabouts are you going?

As for the chart...thanks for the offers of interpretation. I'm filling in a paper chart at the mo, because it's easy to keep next to the bed. The CM did just what it was supposed to in the book- I even had what clearly looked like ov spotting on CD14, but reckon peak day was CD16. Which I found surprising, as my cycle is normally 26 days .

But the temps have been all over the place!Up to 36.2/36.3 around CDs 11-13. Then down as far as 35.7 on CD14. A gradual rise- up to 36.4 on CD18. Then a plunge down to 35.8 on CD19- BUT this was at 3.30am, when I woke up, and couldn't get back to sleep.35.9 this morning- at 5.00am....

If I try and adjust it according to TCOYF- ie adding .2 of a degree for each hour I've woken early- it starts to make a bit more sense. I don't know how far I can trust that, though. And I still don't know how to account for the rise pre-ov, except that I also had insomnia on those nights, but woke up, went back to sleep and tested in the morning.

Oh bloody hell, I don't know! And now abdominal cramps have started up again. Over the last few cycles, that has meant AF's on its way in a few days. Fucky, fucky fuck!

(and now I'm late for the school run- byeee!)

[KEGirlOnFire]

Stubborn, oooh Cornwall - I didn't realize you were so close!!

I have to be honest and say that your temps wouldn't indicate to me that you've OVd... Looking at your 35.7 I would have said that it might be OV day, but your rise afterwards should be immediate (as in next day it should shoot right up).

But, why don't you start Fertility Friend. It's free and will pinpoint if you've OVd. You can backtrack and put in your old temps and it will give you a definite answer.

Big waves to everyone else!!

[stubbornstains]

I might just do that KE....I'm already registered, but put off by the fact that they try and send you the instructions via email, which I don't want.

(Sigh) I suppose one anovulatory cycle doesn't mean much in itself...

Does anybody else get paranoid about the perimenopause?