The Berries: The one where The Berries cease to exist after a spate of waxy knicks and a'hem seepage (thread 20)

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bushy this stinks.
I don't think it can be the embryo at this stage, surely it would be tiny? When I mc at 7 weeks I did pass a bit of thick slimy skin - the nurse told me this would be the sac. It wasn't white though.
It took a couple of weeks before I got a bfn, I imagine either way you'd still get a bfp on Friday, but I'm no expert.

It really is totally unfair, and medical people saying it's totally normal and happens to 50% of pregnancies because they 'weren't viable' totally doesn't help. You might still be fine, some ladies do bleed a lot but everything is still ok. Being in limbo land is pure torture though, I had to wait a week after my scan with no heartbeat as they said it could still be fine and I should come back for another scan. I was 7+3 weeks but it was measuring 6 weeks with no heartbeat and they said maybe it just wasn't showing a heartbeat yet as it took a few days after ovulation to be conceived so I was actually still less than 6 weeks. So I know where you are right now - fighting between being positive & hopeful or wondering whether you should think the worst to prepare yourself.

Are you still taking the pessaries or did you stop when you got the bfp?

Bushy, I'm so so sorry. I have no idea if this is what is your case, but I know that sometimes women pass bits of their uterine lining called decidual casts. There was a thread on Chat a few months back about one and it sounded like yours.

But it is true that some women don't even know they are pg because they have had "periods" ie heavy bleeding. So it is not necessarily game over yet. But I know why you feel that way.

Can you call the clinic back or would that just be unhelpful?

In other, less important news, I am 8dpo and starting to feel very AF ish which is what happened last month. No bleeding yet but my instinct is telling me I'm out for the count. Luckily DH has his jizzfest at the hospital tomorrow lucky nurses so we will at least have some good come out of this month.

Wino how are you?

bushy I'm so sorry that you're going through all this. I really feel for you and hope so much that it all works out.

tiger It looks like you have lots of present ideas. When we got married one couple invited us out with them for a nice dinner and another for a weekend away with them. I thought it was really nice to have a gift where you actually get to spend time with your friends.

feather I tried inositol but only for a couple of months before going to the fertility clinic, so I didn't really give it enough time to have any effect. My RE doesn't seem to have much hope in me ovulating on my own though! I think it is definitely worth a try, especially as there do not appear to be any side effects or dangers of taking it. You do need quite a high dose though - 2 to 4 g so you are best off buying the powdered form. There are some interesting articles on the PCOS Diva site which may be of help.

lumen Yep I'm on Gonal F too. I started my jabs on Sunday and I swear that I did not feel the first 2 at all. The needle is so tiny that you don't even feel it pierce the skin. Hubby did my jab tonight and I could feel the liquid going in, but I think it was because I forgot to take it out the fridge first. How are you getting on with your down reg meds?

For those of you doing acupuncture, what are the days when you should have treatment during an iVF cycle? I made an appt but the earliest the dr could fit me in is the day before EC. Is there any point in me going for the first time then?

chloe you didn't even feel it go in?! I had to really push to get my needles in until I perfected the technique of lying down and having the needle vertical rather than horizontally (when I was at home and that was possible). But it still took a 'push', all the way in! And force to pull it out again! I got the hang of it after about 5, but it was still an effort. Not that it was painful, just tougher than I was expecting after hearing other people say it just slid in easily.....

As far as I understand it, acupuncture just works with your body to make the most of the IVF by balancing hormones, supporting egg production, circulation of blood to the womb etc etc so anytime would be good. I'm going in for some tomorrow .

Just finished my assessments for tonight, going to shut down and go to bed now. Can't wait until my break from teaching, although I will really miss the kids, had a lovely time with them today.

Evening Ladies. Bushy I really hope that this is just an innocent early pregnancy bleed. You are being very brave. If it is the worst then from my experience a miscarriage early on (around 5 weeks) means that you would probably get a bfn by friday. My first miscarriage was at 5 weeks. I started bleeding on the monday and had a scan on the friday which revealed a completely empty uterus and a bfn on urine test. I may be wrong but a failed pregnancy before 5 weeks I think is termed a chemical pregnancy as it is before the gestational sac is formed. With my second miscarriage it took 3 weeks to get a negative test but i expect thats because the HCG levels are doubling everyday, so there is so much more of it in your system by then. No idea what the white thing could be. Are you still using progesterone pessaries? Could it be a glug of that? I really hope this is still ok for you Bushy.

Barking congrats on being PP!

HB is your test day tomorrow?

Win hope all still going smoothly?

Feather on countdown to your wedding! Yours is before Happys yes?

RP I liked the splinter tale!

Kitty I'm sure you're not reading this, but if so congrats on baby kitty!

11dpo here. I pimped yesterday and today. BFN of course. I felt quite positive this month that it might be successul. I had very similar 2ww symptoms to first pregnancy. Cramping and upset tummy around 6/7 dpo and early spotting. Seems this time though that the spotting (even though it arrived earlier than usual) is just getting heavier, so I'm sure this month is a goner.

Night all x

Arr, glad you had a good day with the kids, it's days like that when you think it's worth it. My class are v sweet and we've got to that nice stage where I can have a bit of a joke with them.

Thanks for all the comments guys, it does really help. rp you set me on a googling frenzy. It does sound like that's what it could be. Unfortunately I got the google head mess as miscarriage, ectopic, build up of uterine lining as well as one positive story of someone having it and still being pg came up. So like barking said I'm in limbo land, between hopefulness and self preservation. I stopped taking pessaries on OTD as per med advice.

The whole getting hold of the clinic is pissing me off too. I have to ring my original fertility doctor's secretary, if I get lucky she answers,if not it's leave a message, wait for her to ring back, then wait for nurse to call me. So bit of a ball ache. Secretary is in from 8-4pm, I rang today at 3.50, answer phone so left msg. Phoned again just before 4 and it rang, yay, then went onto answer phone. Will try again first thing tomorrow as really feel I need to be seen and have this lumpy weird thing seen. Sounds gross but I kept it and even took a photo of it. Just thought it would help clarify things with medical staff.

Lots of people have said there's no way it could be embryo as too big and I agree. Just v disconcerting. Have no idea what state I am going to be in this w/e for our camping trip. Our friends don't know we've had Ivf, managed to be vague and palm them off so don't know how I'll be. Good lord, so many uncertainties, why is this so fricking difficult!!

Oh my goodness, watched 'wanted:a family of mine' what a tear jerker. The Scottish couple whose surrogate baby was stillborn- so sad, although I did think it odd that they were waiting for siblings both under 2, I mean there can't be that many of those. Also baby Tom, what a sweetie, just loved those chubby Michelin man arms. The foster parents and adopters really blow my mind on that programme.

Hi chloe am so pleased to hear you are getting on ok with the jabbing. I have 3 weeks of sniffing first. It is going ok, apart from the awful taste in my mouth for about an hour after taking it. Have googled and lots of others have found the same. Am drinking loads more water as advised which means I am having to pee every two minutes often which has got me strange looks in the office. Have also struggled to get to sleep the past 2 nights, but needed a 2 hour nap when I arrived home today as almost fell fast asleep on the train . When is your scan to check your follies?

Hi to everyone else x

Thanks chloe - going to give it a go. Bought an huge tub of it in powdered form today, so we'll see.

funky mine's June 7. Starting to freak a bit now. Think Happy's is in August!

Thanks bushy and RP. No news with the pregnancy. I caved and did a couple more tests and they're getting darker. While a good sign, it doesn't really mean anything about the outcome. Emotionally I'm not doing great. Really anxious, not sleeping, spending hours on dr google and mumsnet. I'm going to see a counsellor tonight, and think I need to seriously restrict my dr google/ mumsnet habit. It'll be hard, but hopefully for the best.

Bushy, really hoping for a good outcome for you.

Wino definitely keep away from dr google if you can, it's so unhelpful. Hopefully this will be your sticky one and I hope time flies quickly for you.

Bushy did you get to speak to your FC? Think of you still

HB any news? When are you poas-ing?

Funky 11 dpo is still early to poas, try again in a couple of days?

Chloe and Lumen glad you are both getting on fine with injecting/sniffing, how long does that go on for?

RP how did your dh get on with his jizz cup? Hope his spelk didn't adversely affect things...!

It's my first iui FC appointment tomorrow, not really sure what will happen but gave new blood samples on Monday and dh did his second sa the other week which they said was fine - although I don't know exact results. Hoping all is fine anyway and we may start in July I think.

Hi to everyone else!

Good luck with your appt tomorrow beaky.
winohh the good thing is your tests are getting darker. It prob is best to stay away from google. I kinda made myself sick the first w/e of our bfp and I found that was all I was doing, not really much of a life. Tbh just do the usual sensible pg lady things e.g. Don't drink, stay away from blue cheese etc and that will be fine.

Still in limbo. Nurse spoke to me and wasn't much help, just said it was tissue and that it's a result of the pg, she said test will prob be negative. . To really make sure the hormones are out of my system I could wait til Sunday. I said she originally said fri so I might test then and rpt Sunday. The thing is any positive we might get after this I don't think I'll be able to believe. Guys I don't think I can wait til Sunday. I'd rather know earlier as we're camping and if if's a negative I'll have a drink and probably cry into it. I did ask if the lump could be looked at but they don't do that... Yeah, helpful I know!! I don't know what else to do really. I think I will be surprised if it's a positive, think things are against it but you never know, there might be a little glimmer of hope.

I've already thought if it's negative then I'm going to have a lovely glass of wine, go back to yoga, dtd lots as apparently you're more fertile after Ivf?!? But where will I be in terms of a cycle,would I be just after af then??

Well I can add a touch of the light-hearted to the thread tonight....

Poor, poor DH!

He got his offering ready on time and battled through the rush hour crowds to the hospital, letter in hand and jizz cup in pocket . Walked into the hospital reception but couldn't find the ward he was going to signed, so had to go back and ask reception. Receptionist wants to know why he's going there (as there are different bits to go to depending on what kind of sample) so he has to announce in front of the reception queue.

Heads off in correct direction, finds the ward with an unmanned reception desk but another room just beyond with an open door. Sticks his head round, to be confronted with a large group of medics having a training or briefing session. Speaker leading it breaks off courteously to ask why he is there.... So he also has to announce to a roomful of people why he is there.

Thankfully they pointed him in the right direction.

Poor DH

If I ever have to have a dildocam, I will feel that this in some way compensates for that humiliation....

Your poor DH rp! I don't think it would faze my DH at all, all his department knew what he was going to the hospital for on Monday! He sent an email to one of the technicians saying he had to go in to 'do his bit' and needed her help. She emailed back to say that he and I could probably manage that bit on our own but was there anything she could do at school?

bushy nothing to say, just more and . And if it's a bfn a bloody great big .

To be fair I think he pretty much took it in his stride but I cringed for him

Bushy, how are you in yourself tonight? Nurse sounds super helpful agree with testing on Fri, as you won't be able to wait that long and it will drive you bats.

I agree with Rp and barking, I'd test earlier but to be perfectly honest, I'd be hitting the bottle already. you have to drink a hell of a lot (bottle of vodka a day) to have adverse effects. if it helps, have a glass

Rp that is.hilarious! my oh had to give his in in the hospital he works in. awkward! comforting to hear about all their confidentiality rules!

I'm on a train. judging by the noise it's full of egoists and mental health patients.sigh

I'm with the others re testing on Friday, bushy. Are you still bleeding? So sorry you're having to go through this. and

rp your poor oh! It's nothing on. The ritual humiliation we have to go through though. I remember having to have a dildo cam with four medic students gathered round the 'business end' watching during my clomid escapades. nolly awkward is an understatement! Jesus!

I've got a rare night off pre-wedding, which I'm frankly bored of thinking about now. Had a really shit acupuncture session with the stand-in as my usual lady is on hols (how dare she!) and she looked at my chart and said that there is no way I ovulated last week - told her I thought she was wrong and that I know my body better than she does and that shut her up! I KNOW I ovulated, even though my temps didn't skyrocket.

Now, tmi and all that, but can we talk about cm after ovulation? I've had some wacky stuff coming out for the last two days - usually I go totally dry, but I'm getting lotion-ey but stretchy cm with a yellow tinge to it. What the hell is that all about? And sorry for the tmi again. So gross!

Oh god, poor dh rp, didn't manage to slip under the Radar did he!

I'm ok but going through different emotions. Felt a bit numb earlier and jealous of other people. I think one of the chopper berries summed it up that we're made to think that getting pg and having a baby is a linear, no problem thing, you get up duffed and then a baby pops out. You don't hear about all the spotting and bleeding and worry. But at the mo I'm actually ok. I physically feel a lot better than yesterday. I actually feel like yesterday was such a long time ago, I can't believe it's only been a day. I think my dh is pissed off. He's trying to do the man thing of fixing and there is, frustratingly, no answer at the moment. I did think that maybe I should call the unit where I had ec and et and see if they could shed any light on the weird lump.

and good luck beaky,.and hb thinking of you

and good luck beaky,.and hb thinking of you

gak! stupid phone

incidentally, people have SUCH Boring conversations. ermagherd!

if I were pm (just a matter of time,you can say you knew me, it's cool) I would

1. BAN phone calls on trains

in.addition to my existing manifesto items

1. free passports for all

1. exams for dog owners

I realise the latter.may be unpopular.with pet owning berries. but I.live next door to a dog who barks.7-10 then 5-8 every day.

that's it so far. I fear my political career may be hampered by my deep hatred of eg fellow train travellers.

just some musings to cheer you all.x

Yup still bleeding but a lot lighter. Could very well be period. When I had lump yesterday it was heavy, not clots though and it was painful, v sore round abdomen. That feels way better today.

Can't help with the mucus though.

Yes hb how are you?

Haha nolly's on her soapbox!

feather I've had all colours of the rainbow. well, not literally, but yellowish for sure. I think it's one of those things you'd never notice if not ttc.

bushy I love it up on my soapbox!