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The Berries: Projecting the sausage signal and chasing rainbows whilst chanting FUFC in the hunt for that elusive BFP (thread 19)

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happylass · 28/03/2014 18:24

The smallprint –
Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 12+months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot and def no mention of baby dust or baby dancing UGH !!! Ooooh aren’t we strict!

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nolly3 · 07/04/2014 22:16

We told loads if people when we started trying and now I wish we hadn't because they're just waiting for news all the time. Much nicer not to have the pressure.

because can I ask about yr thyroid? I just started in aclinical trial as I have raised thyroxine antibodiess. Any relation to fertility do you know?

Re wine cheese etc. 1. How can these things not be excellent, they are delicious. 2. All things which reduce stress defineyly help .3.there is no way anything can reach foetus until proper blood supply established, at a guess a week post implantation

Happy wine all!

barkingtreefrog · 07/04/2014 22:27

Just on the telling/not telling. I over share. Always used to be a very private person and when we started I only told my mum and two close friends. Then when we'd been ttc over a year and started the FC visits I told a few other people, mainly because they'd asked, or I knew they had also been trying a while. After the mc I told everyone. I was so desperate to acknowledge that I had been pg, that just briefly everything was amazing. I also realised how little people talk about mc and that made me more determined to talk about it more. At my wedding a friend of mine from uni asked me if I was going to start pushing out babies. I immediately replied that it wasn't that easy, we'd been trying over two years and only had one mc to show for it. He was actually really lovely, and told me how his brother finally had kids after IVF. You don't get to hear these stories unless you share your own.

When we actually have IUI everyone at school will know because I'll need time off for the scans, even if I didn't tell them they all know we're ttc as they all knew about the mc and know we're waiting for assisted conception so they'd be suspicious about the time off. I'm not sure who else we'd tell though. It's that extra pressure of everyone else waiting to hear the result and not just you being able to deal with it. My other theory with over sharing about the mc was that I needed people to know that my behaviour might be a little strange and there was a reason for it, I wasn't just being rude/moody. That might end up applying to the IUI as well....

barkingtreefrog · 07/04/2014 22:31

Just an example of the over sharing - I met some friends (a couple) for breakfast at the weekend. I was debating whether to have a slice of toast with my full breakfast (I've decided small amounts of 'treat wheat' are allowed but only on a Sunday Blush). He asked why I was wheat free and he probably got a far more thorough answer than he was bargaining for!!!

She knew about the mc so I presume he already did anyway, as she was the one who came to rescue me last year when I ran to my room in tears at the hen do when I was unexpectedly faced with a pg women who kept talking about her scan and how amazing it was to see the heartbeat Angry.

RevoltingPeasant · 07/04/2014 22:32

Hello all!

Kami just to say I am really sorry you feel the need to leave what is obviously a positive space for you, so if you or your DP are reading I hope you will feel able to come back if you ever need support.

DH said casually today, did I want to try turkey bastering - or Turk bastard as my racist iPad would prefer - this Easter? I was all Shock and Grin

We are going up to DPIL this Easter and it is smack bang when I will OV, and DH doesn't feel comfortable having sex with only a plasterboard wall between us and his parents. Which is fair enough. But having lived with them as a teen boy, I presume, he quite happy about cracking one out in those circs so provided I can source the relevant equipment we may try DIY IUI this Easter! Tis the season of fertility.

This does leave me with a genuine problem of where to get a syringe though. I have read Boots do them but I don't know how to ask. Do you reckon my posh telephone voice? "Ex cuse me, miss, hate to trouble you, but I'm looking for a syringe. Oh dear no, I'm not a smackhead, but my husband is going to jizz orff in a cup and I need something to collect it with. Why, thank you, that looks just the thing!"

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funkymonk · 07/04/2014 22:49

Hello lovely berries!! I'm back from hols and just marking my place on new thread. Will catch up on all the news and then post again!

tigerdog · 07/04/2014 23:00

rp I'm sorry but I couldn't help but chuckle at your imagined boots scenario!! I think all you would need is a normal plastic 10ml or so syringe and they are easily available at boots and used for a variety of uses so no one will think you are a smack head!!

nolly3 · 07/04/2014 23:03

rev surely "one needs a syringe" for one's husbands jizz?

Works every time. We tried in a tent last yr near SIL. Awkward. If only had thought if the syringe solution!

FeatherFeather11 · 07/04/2014 23:07

kami wishing you all the best and hoping you get your bfp soon. You know where we are if you ever need to chat. Flowers

barking your oversharing post really struck a cord. Post ectopic, I wanted everyone to know. I told quite a few people and have no regrets. You're right: people don't talk about mc at all. It really is the last taboo.

Ooooh because, dying to hear your news!

tiger LOVE hot yoga. Not been to a class in ages though! You've inspired me to go back.

Got the dress and shoes on hold till tomorrow. Need to show my other best mate who can get my a hefty discount instore! Dm if you want me to send link but as I said before, think I've hogged enough thread space now.

Very sad news about peaches, eh? Those poor baby boys and husband Sad

Also, I OVULATED on my own for the second month in a row - it's a bloody miracle!!

FeatherFeather11 · 07/04/2014 23:11

And funky hoorah! You're back! Can't wait to hear about your hols!

happylass · 07/04/2014 23:29

RP this is what you need! I saw it advertised in a magazine at the FC last week:

www.thestorkforwomen.com/

I now need to remember to clear my browsing history so as not to completely freak DP out Grin

Great to see you back Funky. How did the bikini go down?

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BecauseIsaidS0 · 08/04/2014 06:45

nolly, of course you can ask. I had sub-clinical hypothyroidism, this is when the TSH levels are within the 'normal' range but on the upper end of it. I can't remember now what mine were but they were definitely >3. There are doctors who think that any TSH levels >2 will prevent implantation and increase the risk of very early miscarriage, so I saw an endocrinologist who agreed to put me on the tiniest dose of medication (50 micrograms) until I get pregnant or for a year, whichever happens first.

barkingtreefrog · 08/04/2014 07:17

DH just insensitively sent me a link to this:

^Does stress cause infertility?

It has been observed that women who have struggled with infertility often only manage to conceive when they have given up trying, and stopped worrying about it. Now researchers have, for the first time, established a clear link between stress and fertility problems, reports The Daily Telegraph. By testing women who were trying to start a family for stress hormones in their saliva, the team, from the Eunice Kennedy Shriver Institute in the US, were able to show that those with the highest stress levels were half as likely to conceive within 12 months as the women with the lowest levels. The researchers say that although stress may not have been the only factor in this, their findings show that it is â??potentially clinically meaningfulâ??.^

Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

And I suppose the 'stressed' women had no ttc issues.....

happylass · 08/04/2014 07:34

Barking has no one mentioned that all we need to do is relaaaaaaax Wink

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nolly3 · 08/04/2014 07:58

Thanks because. Sometimes hard to get good info about the meaning of all the test results.

Huh. I was told by fc to relax. Thanks.

greatbigbushybeard · 08/04/2014 10:31

barking about the telling/ not telling: I know what you mean re the letting people know about why you might be in a mood but I'm the opposite, I didn't want every genuine mood or time I was abrupt being read into that the reason I was grumpy was because of ttc not because You lot can't just get on and do your fecking job!!

Also we were very private at beginning,then gradually started to tell people it was taking a long time, then when I had op told more details, then it got a bit much with people asking me every time on the phone re how's it going etc, it's a bit uncomfortable really and though it is part of my life, I think I don't want it to be a huge part of my interactions with people. So dh really wanted to rein it back so until he got pissed the other week and told a couple who we are good friends with about the Ivf and who also had ttc problems so know what it's like,that's it. We now have to fend off are you having Ivf or not type questions but I'm just going to be vague and say we're carrying on, few more tests etc as I don't want any more outside pressure. If it fails then I may tell people or just avoid until I feel better,if it works think I'll tell people in my own time and check that dh is happy with it.

Know what you mean re you won't know about mc and ttc problems if you don't talk about them. My friend used to say when people would ask her insensitive q's re when are you going to spit babies out and she was having problems, that she would turn it back on them and say she was having problems, that way people backed down and she didn't have to go round with the comment chewing her up and it made that other person think about their comment. My problem, as ever, with these things is that I don't want anyone at work knowing. I want to keep it professional. Even my head doesn't know. It killed me keeping the lap quiet and so many people were so nosy, they've probably guessed but I just don't want to be their gossip or have sympathy in the place where I just want to do my job and go home. Dh has told his boss, I may well have to tell mine but if he tells the deputy then everyone will know as she is incapable of keeping secrets!! It's worked out quite well so far, in that most appts are falling in holidays etc so have only asked for leave once, think boss has forgotten now. Re people getting suspicious re time off, all you have to say are the magic words gynaecological problems and they'll get lost ( well the men will!!) Also once you've told people that's it, you can't un tell them! It's a funny one, in some ways it's a relief and like I've found, in other ways you end up having to have awkward conversations more often when you don't want to. I think if you can have a balance of someone in real life or mumsnet (!)who knows all, then others you can decide how much they know, if at all. I think being on here has really helped me and gives me a place where I can talk about it and then I can move on in my own life and be comfortable with not having everyone know.

Lol at the basters, my god that stork thing looks quite scary!! feather I actually clicked on your link thinking it would be your dress!!

nolly love the theory about wine and cheese not being bad!!

Re the stress thing, yes it's always something that's touted but I think there must be some sort of truth in it. All things are harder when you're stressed so I think ttc most also be one of those things too. I'm really trying to be kinder to myself, I don't use ov sticks anymore, I've got a packet at the moment that I haven't opened, wondering whether I could sell them on e bay! I'm trying to relax more etc and do nice things for me. I do have a stressful job and ttc can be stressful too but like barking says fertility issues have a part to play too so not all down to stress but I think there is some truth to shifting your focus and making yourself happier makes more room for a child too.

nolly3 · 08/04/2014 13:53

Re telling/not telling, I completely agree with you bushy about talking about mc. A close friend lost twins at 18 weeks, and it was really the first time outside of family that I'd seen mc talked about openly. Very brave of her but I think she got a lot of support because she was so open.

my dp doesn't want to tell his parents because they'll ask questions all the time. bit weird imho but I can see what he means. doens't stop MiL asking though, or saying "you know age can be a factor, don't leave it too long". yes thanks.

Wine and cheese ARE brilliant. anyway, whatever the stats on stress and fertility (and I'm sure the telegraph has unimpeachable credentials) it's nice to be less stressed regardless - if you can manage it.

RevoltingPeasant · 08/04/2014 13:58

Oooh thanks for the links! At work now so just a flying browse but will check them out properly later.

tiger I live in Plymouth. I think there's a fairly high chance they will assume I'm into Class A drugs Grin

barking my mum who has never taken more than 2-3 mos to conceive a pregnancy told me to relax.... I mentioned this to my GP who snapped tartly, 'How smug and unhelpful!' I heart my GP!

beakybeak · 08/04/2014 18:56

RP can you get a specific syringe for ttc or is it any? Preseed comes with a bunch of "applicators" if that's any use.. Lol at feathers link - the frequently bought together section has a scary set of pitchforks there!

Funky How was your holiday? It feels like you've been away for ages!

Feather not sure about sending direct messages on here, but Id love to see the potential dress/shoe combo if possible? And woohoo re the ovulation again this month fx for your bfp...! Yes re Peaches as well, so so sad, 25 is no age and two boys growing up without a mother Sad

Interesting post from your dh Barking like Bushy I do think that stress can cause all sorts of physical and hormonal problems, but that is definitely not going to account for all of the ttc problems around andthe study in the article doesnt say what number of subjects had other issues either. I hate "just relax" or "it will happen, be patient" blah blah effing blah. Cheeky people who do not understand as they just have to sniff a willy and they are diffed.

Ive not told anyone about ttc, it is really difficult not being able to speak to someone in RL about it but at least I have found you all! Its an invaluable source of support. Nolly I know what your DP means, I would feel a bit grim telling my dad and would feel like I had to update him all of the time and he would totally worry about me!

9 days down on the detox and I feel great today but totally dying for wine/cheese/pizza/anything nice! Think I should be ovulating around today too but with no opk's Im just guessing it also means I am due on around easter weekend. Fantastic, just while me and dh are away with a little time to ourselves Hmm

barkingtreefrog · 08/04/2014 19:14

After an emotional start to the day (I didn't handle getting that link from DH very well) I needed chocolate at work. My emergency snack supplies are chocolate chip cereal bars or caramel wafers, both containing wheat. I picked up a Tunnocks Caramel Wafer thinking, F it, I'm depressed I need the chocolate. Then I decided adding on guilt for eating wheat wouldn't help. Then I burst into tears. Colleague returns from maternity tomorrow. I should be leaving for maternity at the end of the week. IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!! Angry.

barkingtreefrog · 08/04/2014 19:15

Feather just link to the dress already, we all want to see it!!!! Grin

nolly3 · 08/04/2014 20:16

Oh dear barking. I say sod guilt and eat the chocolate. Carry on venting if it helps. I'm here all evening (dp on nights so taking opportunity to catch up on Sean Evans. I mean endeavour.)

The whole thing is freaking unfair. I have a sister who hasn't spoken to me for 4 years, don't know why, ans she's just had her second. She's so unimaginative that she named it after members of the royal family. Ffs! No problems conceiving or anything. Grr. (sorry if any of you are ardent royalists btw)

BecauseIsaidS0 · 08/04/2014 20:21

Well, dear berries, I had an OPK+ today but managed to fight with DH over nothing. Good for us.

Parsley2506 · 08/04/2014 20:34

Ooh there's a new idea I haven't tried yet beaky - willy sniffing! Grin

feathers I agree with everyone else. Post the dress! We need diversions!

funky welcome back! Hope you and your bikinis (+ DH) had a fab time?

barking I think I read that article, or one very like it, in the metro a few weeks ago. Telling people to not get stressed is just plain stupid and it makes me seriously Angry that these 'scientists' would even dare to tout it as a real diagnosis. Stress is everywhere, stressed people get pregnant and stressed people don't get pregnant, but telling someone that can't get pregnant that they are to blame because they're stressed is just unforgivable. I hope Mr Barking has seen the error of his ways!

rp I dare you to start that convo in boots! Grin A lady on one of my other ttc threads (I am a thread trollop) is a regular user of the baster method. I believe she uses the preseed ones!

On the whole to tell/not to tell, my immediate family and very closest friends know how long we've been trying and about the MC. I get sporadic enquiries as to my welfare but tbh since the MC my friends in particular have all been pretty absent, partly because I have avoided them and party I think they're avoiding me (they all have babies or are preg). Some of my work know about the MC, and that has helped with some awkward situations but none of them know how long we've been at it. le sigh

tigerdog · 08/04/2014 22:02

The advice 'just relax' is possibly the most FRUSTRATING load of bollox anyone can offer someone who is struggling with ttc or stress! If only it were that simple. That said, I have tried very hard to become a more relaxed person because I am an obessive worrier and I don't think it helps me manage the process. I agree with you bushy about trying to make yourself happier and shifting your focus more generally.

rp fair point Grin. Good on your GP. I know one person who went to their GP after a year of ttc, and was advised to forget about it, go on holiay and get drunk. They did this, and conceived that month. I'm not sure that it is necessarily good advice though....I'd be pretty pissed off if my GP said that to me!

Hi funky hope you had a great time!

barking it really isn't fucking fair at all.

I applied for a job today that involves travel and longer hours than my current role. Not as pg or baby friendly, but I can't face being bored for the sake of better benefits. Even if it doesn't go anywhere, I feel better that there are options out there.

Did anyone just watch the programme about breakfast tv? OMG....TV AM was just plain weird!!!

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