TTC a lot longer than 10 months past and present

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A thread full of the loveliest people

joy that was a really cruel thing of your "friend" to say. People with all sorts of different temperaments make great parents. You will be a fab mum.

I made mr euro do quite a bit of the chasing. It was just adding to my stress levels. He couldn't do most of the physical stuff (time off for scans and blood tests) but I took the view that he could find the time to make the phone calls I didn't want to!

ten I did exactly the same! And then had to watch my friends drink all my lovely Xmas booze. I had decided Xmas was going to be great, one way or another.

critter I'm sorry you are finding it stressful, but I guess it is not surprising. It is all stressful, without the awful time you have had. My clinic did the thing on my first cycle of only giving me enough drugs and telling me what would happen to the next appointment. I found that stressful. I'm a planner and like to consider all eventualities, so knowing what was coming would have been helpful for me.

I can't believe some people are saying what happened to you was for the best. Or maybe I can. Something stupid came tumbling out of my mouth when we met (as you might remember). I think some people just really don't know what to say and panic and end up saying the wrong thing when they don't mean it at all. I knew we were meeting and had time to think about what I wanted to say to you and still managed to come out with something stupid.

Don't worry about travelling over the HCG test. Some clinics don't even do it. Pee tests will tell you if you are pregnant. And surely in most places you can find a lab that will do it if you want to see that it is doubling.

mad that sounds exhausting but amazing. I'm a bit worried about PND because hormonal stuff (the Pill and downregging) has made me depressed in the past, so who knows what the post-pg hormone crash will do. I tend to get a bit down in the winter months anyway, and we usually take ourselves off somewhere long haul in the middle so I can get a bit of vit D in my system, but that is not going to be an option this time round.

ray as I've said on t'other place, 12dpo might well be too early. You are not out yet.

cos you sound so much better. The post GA dip is horrible, isn't it? What is the next step for you now?

Critter - you are not complaining about it all and I am so pleased you do have frosties because that is one piece of light you have got amongst the shit of everything else. I coukdnt bear the thought of you having to do a full round of treatment again. I am sure you will wobble throughout all this but we are here to support you through any concerns and worries.

Ten - hope you are ok. How are you feeling?

Cos - I am pleased you are feeling better. It really isn't surprising you felt horrible after an operation. When do you hear from that other place about the womb biopsy?

Euro - pnd is a concern I agree. I know someone who treats pnd with natural progesterone cream. He is adamant it is the drop in progesterone that causes something chemically t. He is not a doctor by the way but he has had very good success using it. My colleague has been on anti depressants since she was 16 and had them all through pregnancy and they have kept her going post baby so I guess that's another route. I wish people would talk about it more.

My funding came through last month apparently. Not that they have let me know but doctor friend checked. Now I need to decide...do I start in 2 weeks or 6 weeks.....just writing that has made me come out in a cold sweat.

Oh and I have had more sleep and have put friend's comment in the bin. I am sure I have said insensitive things before but I guess when it hits a nerve it hits a nerve

Just quickly checking in as I keep dropping off the thread. I'm mainly slack-jawed at some of the comments I'm reading about. People really do need to engage brains before opening mouths.

Sorry for not catching up, will try later!

Joy Not to harp on about it but now others have been more honest I am going to say that my first reaction on reading what your friends said was ‘why the hell would someone be self involved enough to send a photo of their baby to someone who isn’t its father (and even then pushing it) every day?!’ That is just beyond bonkers, I would not be able to be friends with someone like that and you are a far better person than me (not saying much) if you can put up with that sort of behaviour from friends whilst ttc or not.

So glad your funding has come through, you had said you wanted to wait until July, is that still your preference? I cant remember why though?

Critter I am so glad your doc is helpful and can give you an outline of the treatment, it really helps remove the stress. CANNOT believe that someone would say they thought it was for the best??? I do know the feeling of trying to say something/anything because what you have been through is just awful and not quite knowing what to say and then the worst option falling out of my mouth but I am not sure its for the best would be that option even on my worst foot in mouth day. If in doubt I stick to I’m sorry and then shut up. Personally I think the group is a place you are allowed to complain about the shittiness of the situation so you don’t need to apologise for it, I am so glad that you don’t have to do a full round and can ‘just’ go straight to a FET, it isn’t fair that you are here at all so this process should be as easy as possible for you.

Ray How are you doing?

Mad you are not the first person that I ‘know’ that has done that. We always want to be fine and on top of things and sometimes admitting that you are having a bit of a tough time and need some support is really really hard so well done for getting there (not in patronising way). I hope that things are a bit easier now that people are aware and you have the support you need.

Cos SO glad to hear you are feeling better, when do they remove the coils?

Waves to everyone else and Nelly and Euro

AFM I have just taken a first response as I have awful PMT symptoms and period pains and I think there is a very faint line, but I don’t know if it is because I have never seen one before and there is no one in the office I can ask! I am now mightily confused, and really anxious (mainly how I have felt for the past week anyway so haven’t really achieved anything by testing)

Oh wow. First of all (sneaky work post) ten let me be the first to offer you a tentative MASSIVE congratulations! In the words of nelly to me about a year ago, I bloody knew it!! This is fantastic news. Can understand caution but my positive pee stick at 15dpo was really faint so I reckon you are diffed!

joy what's the pros and cons of two weeks or six weeks? If you do it in two weeks we can sweatily clutch each other's nervous paws as it looks like that's when I will start. But if there's a reason to wait, you should, of course. Amazing news your funding is in, and I would just go for it. There's enough waiting in this game.

euro you always say the best things and I am so grateful for your wise good sense. I don't remember you saying anything remotely insensitive. I am the queen of foot in mouth syndrome and there have been a few times when people have said foot in mouth stuff where they clearly don't mean it and feel terrible and panicked - that doesn't phase me at all - it only bothers me when I feel like there isn't a good intention behind it. But that almost never happens. It's just the one or two occasions where it has that I've got upset, and I think like joy says it is just that we are more sensitive than normal, like crabs without our shells, during all this TTC crap.

ray I am thinking of you constantly and wishing for good news. cos had wise things to say. I wonder whether there's some issue that is being missed, some piece of the puzzle that hasn't been spotted yet. Sending you so much love and strength and hoping hoping hoping for a lovely surprise for you on OTD.

Massive congratulations ten. A line is a line. There was nothing at all to see on the one I used yesterday so I think even if faint it's a positive. I think I'm a lucky charm for the people who cycle with me :)

Joy, you're much nicer person that me to stick with your friend. I think she's someone I would withdraw contact from. I've done that quite a bit which is why I have a smaller and smaller friendship circle. I've figured that this stuff upsets me enough without insensitivity from other people. That's great news about your funding. Are you feeling excited about another round, or a bit anxious? Do they know you've had private rounds? I was thinking yesterday that if we move back to the uk then maybe the nhs would fund a round for us, but I thought we'd probably not be eligible if we'd had previous attempts.

Critter, I was thinking about what you said about it not being fair that you're back in the clinic about to go through another round when you should be caring for James. My heart still breaks for you. It's not bloody fair, I think you're doing really well not to be a raging mess. I can't believe that people said that to you about it being for the best. James was perfect, and he is your baby and should be with you. What a stupid, careless thing for someone to say. One thing I was thinking when you said about the anxeity of going through another round, is that whilst we always try to go into these things thinking that it will end in pregnancy sometimes it doesn't and there is such a fear of that which fuels the anxeity. I imagine for you this is particularly strong. Of course you will get pregant with such great frosties but the thought and worry is always there until there's a good outcome.

It's sweet for you all to tell me it's too early. Ten's BFP shows me it's not, and I would be kidding myself to pretend I might be pregant. Miracles dont happen to me. Cos, I don't think our problem is implantation. I think the embryo stops developing before that. I suspect it's tied up with the shit sperm issue and dh agrees with me. getting pregant feels further away than it ever has. At this point I don't know if I can face another round. Money, emotions and the physical toll are all factors. My tummy is black and blue from the fragmin injections, I cry every morning when I have to inject because it's so sore and the skin had toughened and the needle feels blunt. The hormones have given me terrible skin. I feel so ugly, I really think the rounds of ivf have aged me. Perhaps it's time for me to move on, but I don't yet know how to do this. I'm not going to make any decisions until after I speak to the doctor but I think I'd need to know there is still a good chance of it working and I'm not sure he will be able to guarantee that. Sorry, I sound like such a misery, I bore myself with it so if you've got this far I'm impressed!

ten! Any line is a line, lovely. Despite the recent comments about others instadiffers posting pics of p1ssy sticks on here, I'm sure we would all be happy to opine on yours if you want to post it! But if you can see anything it all, that is it.

critter your crab without a shell comment is spot on.

ray whether previous attempts are an issue depends on the area you move to. As does how many rounds you get. There is no uniformity across health trusts.

Despite my own success (finally) with an early embie, I do wonder if you would do better going somewhere where you can go to Day 5 so they can see what is happening, whether that is here or somewhere on the Continent like Brussels (which I understand has some good clinics). Has he had the DNA frag test? (Apologies for not remembering.) I still don't think you are out, btw. Some people test positive later than others. I'm just musing, following on from your post.

Going to day 5 would give us the answer of whether it survives until then but it wouldn't affect the outcome. If they didn't survive in my uterus then they wouldn't have survived in a dish. We didn't really have enough embryos to justify leaving them until day 5, and I suspect we wouldn't have even got to transfer if we had but at least then I wouldn't have the pain of the 2ww. The DNA fragmentation is something dh thinks is pointless, he knows a bit about this. It tells you that there was an issue with the ones they tested but you can't extrapolate Anything from that about what it means for the whole sample despite what they might claim. We know that men with low counts have a higher level of fragmentation so we can assume this is the case for us but it doesn't help us in knowing what we can do to treat.

That's true and kind of what stopped us paying out for the frag test. The things to "fix" the issue are the things that are advised to improve count and quality, and mr euro was already doing most of those. So knowing if there was a frag issue wouldn't have changed much for us.

I haven't heard the extrapolation point before. Interesting.

Ten - that's awesome news. A line is a line. I must say I thought your ravaging hunger was suspicious. Also period pains are a good sign that they are embedding down. And please ignore our conversation last week if they are twins!

Ray - :( oh how I wish things will change for you. I also don't think you are out yet but I know it's difficult to hope. The injections just make everything harder and I am not surprised you cry every time you do them. Hormones, treatment, 2ww are the pits and you do feel old when you are going through it all. I do think you are too young to be giving up as well (if this hasn't worked) but I know finance and emotions have a huge role to play. I can't help but feel you haven't been given the best chance either with day2 freezing and transfers and I wonder whether it would be worth investigating going to another country. If course I hope you don't have to consider anything else. Massive hug , this is one hell of a slog and beastly experience. Can you get some lovely things planned for the coming weeks if this really hasn't worked?

My issue with starting in June is that I have exams and July as well actually so lots of revising. But I think if I book my dummy transfer and 3d scan in when my period comes I may not start in June anyway, although I was under the impression that I would start down regulating after that. I think I am going to just go for it and hope that nothing falls on exam days.
Critter I will join you. Clammy paws together.

ray it kills me that you are suffering so much. This whole process is just cruel, it really is. I do wonder whether if your embies were taken a bit further than day 2 it might make a difference, perhaps in another country - at least they could see what was going on. You're in the darkest part of the night now with hormones and the miserable bloody awful injections. It has to get better for you, you are still so young, although I know you don't feel it and this crap does make you age mentally - you're a beautiful girl and you're going to get there. I just wish I could take away this pain from you.

Thanks joy and critter. I know you understand how shit this feels. We've all had more than our fair share of pain on this thread and I wish our luck could change. I know it's not true but I feel like everyone else manages to get pregnant through ivf (I know the stats tell a different story) and that me she dh are the complete failures because we can't manage it. I keep thinking if there is something I do to know about that I'm supposed to do in the 2ww and that's why it's not working.

I don't see how taking to day 5 rather than transferring on day 2 makes any difference to outcome. Indeed some people think it's better to get them back in the womb ASAP. The only benefit would be that it would confirm at what point they die, is it before blast? I can't criticize my care, I think they've been very thorough and it's certainly much cheaper than private uk clinics.

Ten, yay I'm so pleased for you, a line is definately a line. Keep us posted, massive tentative squeeze.

Ray oh it just sucks so badly, i so know that feeling, especially with all the bruises and swollen stomach and needing to keep going till you get the official result. You're so very very brave, and really putting yourself through it. I look at you and think such a beautiful girl and a long way off needing to think about giving up, but I so know that it's hard to keep the faith and keep going. Your care does sound good, but that doesn't mean they have all the answers for everyone as unfortunately in this business none of them do, and someone else may well hold the key for you. Have you been to a UK clinic at all, how feasible would it be for you to go to one for a consultation? When did you stop paying tax and NI, are you really not elibilge for NhS treatment at the moment? I'm not sure of the rules. Try to keep going for the next few days and plan something in for the w/e to distract you. Oh I wish I could say something to take that feeling away. Just keep thinking of the amazing success stories we've had on here when all hope seemed very small. You've not failed, you've done as much as you can and just need some bloody luck.

Joy that's great news about the funding and getting going so soon. I can understand the trepidation about doing it alongside exams but maybe the distraction will be helpful.

Euro that's a good way to out it, the GA dip. I have definately been flip flopping emotionally of late. So nice to keep hearing from you. How many weeks are you now?

Critter how are you feeling today my lovely? I was thinking of you today and thinking that in general for each round I've done the build up weeks have been awful and once the actual round is underway at least there's some momentum and a bit of moving forwards about it. This must be intensified hugely for you. Like you said before you've already run one marathon and here you are gearing up to start the next one. You will be such a fantastic mum all the more so because of what you've been through.

Nelly big waves, what's happening for you ATM?

I get my coils out in about 3 weeks I think and should get the lining sample result in about a week or so. Still no news of the m/c testing result.

ray I agree that keeping them in the lab longer would only be diagnostic. Some people do indeed think that they do better back where they belong - certainly being in a lab does not make embies survive that would not otherwise have done.

cos I am almost 26 weeks now. In about 10 days I will be in the third tri. I really never thought I would be here. I am so grateful (even if that wasn't the first thought to go through my mind as I was being repeatedly oofed in the bladder by centime on my walk home and having to use all my willpower to avoid peeing myself in public...).

Ray sweetheart, I'm so sad to read of the place you are in. It's so painful to go through all this and not feel any closer to the prize. In some ways, it's been easy (ish!) for me to make the decision to move on, or at least move in a different direction, because it was so black and white. But I can only imagine the head-explosions you and Mr Ray are going through trying to know what to do for the best. The only thing I can say is this - the "give up" option will always be there, you don't need to actively make that decision now. Take some time out to grieve for this cycle, plan some fun stuff, and come back to it when you are ready. I'm so sorry though :(

Ten - yip, I bloody knew it . With Critter, for whatever reason I knew her IVF was going to be a BFP, from about 6 months before it started. I think when you had your 10 million follies last time, I had a sneaky suspicion about you as well . I hope so much that it's plain sailing for the next 8 months.

Talking of IVF, has anyone heard from Sea recently? If you are lurking, I hope all is well with the pregnancy after the sad loss of your twin.

Euro, eek at 26 weeks!

Critter it's only natural that the whole process of becoming pregnant again is stressful. It sounds like your clinic understand your need for information and will be helpful in giving you this support.

Cos nothing is happening here. Almost literally. Am on CD, err, 18 and we've had sex once this cycle. A BFP would be a proverbial miracle. I'm not really sure where my head is at with it all, I sometimes wonder if I'm talking myself out of DE, not because of the DE part but just because I wonder if I can bear to get back on the merry-go-round of it all.

Sorry for incomplete catch up, but you know if I haven't mentioned you I'm still thinking of you all!

Ray I'm so sorry that you are feeling like this. I know you just know so I won't say wait until Friday, but I secretly hoping for you all the same. Our issue is also sperm less than 1% normal forms. I know how shitty the feeling of a failed round is, especially when you are having to continue to stab. I'm sorry that we can't take that away.

I think they track previous rounds through hfea, but honestly with how disorganised the nhs is it wouldn't surprise me if they never found out. Also I would add that it would depend on how many previous rounds you have had, so in my area you are allowed to have private cycles (no specific number) just no success.

I really hope that you can plan some activities for te weekend to take your mind off things, look after yourself generally. I'm afraid I am useless on treatment suggestions but I am thinking of you lots.

Waves and thanks to everyone else for your kind words, we'll see hey, nothing I can do but wait and see generally.

So much happening to ten plussers right now.

Ten a huge congratulations to finally see that second line! How are you feeling today?

Ray - you are in my thoughts though I am hoping that this doesn't end up being the outcome you are expecting. I can't help but feel that there is more for you to try but wise words from Nelly that decisions don't have to happen now and the decision to stop treatment is not a contract that can't be undone or revisited when you feel stronger. You are very young and have so much time to work this out. None of this can do what I'd really like and take away the winded feeling you no doubt have right now but it WILL pass.

Critter - I feel so much for you and everything that you are going through. I find it quite unbelievable that anyone could say what happened was in some way for the best. The things that fall out of people's mouths as they flounder to find the right words.. My worst was to be told that it was God's way and for some people babies aren't meant to be, by someone who as far as I know isn't religious. She nearly got a risotto thrown in her face. I feel very confident that you will be pregnant again this summer and you will have all of our support along the way.

Cos, I have visions of huge mattress coils in your womb! Ouch! You are being so brave, I am so hoping that the pesky septum was getting in the way for you. Fingers crossed.And whilst new avenues are sometimes hard to believe in, sooner or later you will crack the code, I feel sure of it.

Nelly, totally get the talking yourself out of de. The thought of downregging later this month makes me feel physically pukesome! Can I ask for downregging advice as I have always been scared of the drucks (only to find giant slaying amounts of menopur did little bar making my brain useless - progesterone didn't do much except bloat me). So how bad are they? I know euro and lemon hated them but I tolerated the pill well mood wise and the depo. Please tell me what to expect. Does it make you spotty? Fatter? Spots are a real problem for me since ivf, my chin looks like a teenagers chin. Or maybe it is my own impending menopause of doom. Having been categorically told I should be through the menopause by 47 I do believe my hormones are changing.

Joycep - shall I throw a risotto at your friend? Critters crab without shell does resonate with me but even if my crab shell had been like rhino hide that would have stung me. Of course you don't have to feel patient with other people's children. Taking forever to go anywhere drives me insane with my sil and in my current no children position I can imagine I would be better organised and efficient. I am sure when I have said child and it poos itself as we are about to leave the house and is then sick when we try to leave again, I will find my own reserves of patience and reframe how much is acceptable to get done in a day. Until then I reserve the right to be judgey and bored of standing in the hall in my coat thinking we were going out. And I challenge anyone to say I am not patient enough to have children! Can you tell this has irritated me on your behalf .

I am currently obsessed with researching donor egg success rates and don't wholly like finding swathes of women for whom it has failed. My level one tests came back normal but as I couldn't have the thrombophilia panel on the nhs, my clinic have refused to accept them. I can't pay for just that panel, I have to pay for all of them at 1150. And even then, I wouldn't have level2, another grand I think. I am taking the results as good as no immune markers were thrown up and all other tests were bang on normal. However, if this doesn't work, I will cough up for the lot before trying again. We are currently asking if we can take the drugs anyway but imagine this will be refused. ANd maybe they could make things worse if there is no problem? Why the hell do the tests have to be so expensive? Euro, did you take aspirin and clexane and did you have level 2 tests? PS 26 weeks - wow!!

fox my clinic never referred to the tests as level 1 and 2 so I'm not sure what falls into each. It was a long time ago now as I had those tests at the end of 2011 but I think I had the thrombophilia tests and NK cells. I'm not sure what else they covered. My clinic recommended clexane as standard. I asked why given that my thrombophilia tests were clear and they didn't really have an answer. I accepted taking low dose aspirin instead, so I am on that to 36 weeks.

ten how are you feeling today? Is it sinking in yet?

ray how are you doing?

Hi ladies. It's been a long time. I do check the thread occasionally but new work schedule prevents me from writing too much.

Ten - congratulations! So so pleased for you.

Ray - so sorry to see you are having a tough time. But it's not over yet. It can still work. I did a lot of research into wherever 5 day transfer was better than early transfer and it really seems like it depends on what you read. I'm still hopeful for you.

Joy - what excellent news your funding has come through. I can imagine you will have mixed feelings. I'm sad to read about your friend who made such a bitchy comment. Long term ttc is tough enough w o that level of insensitivity.

Critter - you are a brave lady and I'm so happy you have frosties. Like others I'm astounded by the hurtful comments others make but then again I'm not. I still come across lot of stupid comments from people making judgements about ivf/parenting styles etc etc. I have decided to ignore all of them. People can think what they like. Until they have walked in someone's shoes they really have no clue. I'm really hopeful you will be pregnant again this summer. I have a really good feeling for you.

Nelly - thanks for the wishes. It's all going well so far after the sadness of losing twin one. I like to think he/she is with FIL who passed away last year. It makes me feel happier when I think that. I'm doing okay and slowly beginning to believe this will work out.

Fox - how are you? I know you had plans for DE. Where are you at? Sorry if I have missed posts but I'm v behind.

I still read and cheer you all on and now that ten is up diffed I'm sure there will be many others as we always seem to get cluster good news on this thread.

Ray – how are you doing? I know what you mean about the benefits of going to day5 and I have wrestled with this and the evidence out there seems to suggest there is no difference in pregnancy potential by doing a earlier transfer. I presume mini-art, centime and mini doll would have become good blastocysts in the dish but may be they wouldn’t have...And I also presume mini-gin would have been born if she had been put back at day 1 or 2. Sadly there is no test to know. I think the point of going to day 3 or 5 is also to wheedle out the abnormal ones....for us they have all been abnormal at that stage . I do think though that if there is a strong embryo on board and it develops properly and there is no implantation issue, then it will implant.

Cos – can’t believe you haven’t had your m/c testing. Can you not chase them? bloody useless.

Ten – how are you ?

Eruo – 26 wks wow (in awe).

Nelly – i acn’t quite work out where you are at with DE. Will you be going back to Serum?

Fox – oh if you could chuck a bowl of risotto at my friend, yes please. And why do some people think they have a right to say ‘for some people babies aren’t meant to be...or it’s nature’s way’. Just imagine if you went around saying that to the dying and injured. I don’t comprehend why people feel they can say it to infertiles. Bloody cheek. Also i have no idea why the tests have to be so expensive. Some blood clinics somewhere are laughing. Also i don’t see why you can’t just get the ones you haven’t got rather than doing the whole lot again. If your level 2s are all the Chicago tests then that is about a grand (patented and probably costs them a tenner to check). I think my GP could only do some of the thrombophilia tests but not all of them. The level1 testing is a really long list. Clexane was also a standard at my clinic. It improves blood flow to the womb...whether you need that improving or not apparently. The nhs will be putting me on it as well.

Sea - lovely to hear from you, glad things are progressing well.

Ray how are you doing?

Critter Yes I agree so often it is just about peoples intention that makes all the difference to how hurt a comment can make you.

Euro thanks but I confirmed with MrT it is a line, but a very faint one. So his approach is well it would be lovely if it has worked but lets wait and hear what the result is on Friday as they told me not to do a pee test until Monday. Also even if it is positive we just move onto mentalling about everything else!

Joy ha indeed it hadn’t crossed my mind until now. It would be highly unlikely though I am sure. It sounds like a plan to go for it sooner, the delay is often the worst bit once you get started it all just happens. I am sure you can figure a way around your exams the only thing that would prove relaly hard is if there is an exam on EC day.

Cos three weeks isn’t too bad, will you then try straight away again? Or wait for the mc results?

Nelly I can understand the idea of beginning DE IVF must be hard but as Critter said to me the end result will be worth it, the treatment just grinds you down.

Fox Wow they do sound expensive! Step away from Google, nothing good comes from knowing the worst results. Also downregging wasn’t pleasant but it wasn’t the end of the world for me. I was quite short tempered, tired and stupid but none of it was unbearable. Initially I was just on the pill for four weeks or so and then I started stabbing and it wasn’t until that point that I saw any side effects.

Sea thanks it is good to hear you are well! I am hoping the awful sickness has passed.

AFM I am trying not to think about it at all. I wasted another fiver today to check that I wasn’t wrong, still there still just as faint. Imagine I will continue to waste fivers for a while yet. First hurdle is bloods on Friday, if that is all ok and this looks like it is continuing I have to think about how I handle a weeks ‘boozy’ holiday with a group of friends which we are meant to go on next Saturday, a lovely problem to have but requires some thinking all the same. Because once I tell them they then know we are trying so if this doesn’t work out then there will be the constant questions and gossip etc which I just can’t stand the thought of and which is why I have avoided telling anyone we are trying.

Quick post re. Clexane/heparin. This is how my dr explained it: they noticed that women who were taking heparin for blood clotting disorders and we're having ivf had higher pregnancy rates than those who didn't have blood clotting problems and weren't on heparin. They didn't know why and first they thought it was to do with improved blood flow. Now however the latest train of thought is that it isn't to do with blood thinning but actually because to has some sort of effect on the immune system. So it s effective for people who don't have blood clotting problems. This is why some clinics give it as standard. Over here you can't because it's only licensed for treatment of blood clotting disorders or when there is risk of dvt. I was given it on the grounds that one of my risk factors for arterial disease is high, they like the excuse to be able to prescribe it. I think if offered I'd take it again even though he injections are pretty awful. It's been used for ages in pregnancy because women with clots have to take it or those at risk. It doesn't cross the placenta and is known to be safe. There is a question mark over the safety of aspirin in the second trimester.

Just popping in quickly to say yay ten that's fab re the bfp. A line is a line remember. Can you use the antibiotics excuse for not drinking?!

ray I'm so sorry that you are feeling so shit and like giving up. I agree that taking embies to blast wouldn't serve any purpose. I guess if you cycle again and have some embies spare, blasts freeze and defrost better than earlier embryos. I also agree with your DHs opinion on sperm frag. Our consultant told us there wasn't much point having the test, as it was likely to be v high. Would you consider donor sperm? Sorry if that's an insensitive question but that was to be our next move. It's not yet over love. You get to choose when and how.

Gotta go. Loves to everyone else.