TTC a lot longer than 10 months past and present

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I'm surprised he swim up test isn't done as standard, it's relatively simple to do I think. The urologist ordered it for dh after the first semen analysis came back low. It was the only bit of good news for us, the sperm dh does have seem to be good swimmers when put to the test,

How annoying about your lost half day dev. I'd have wanted to scream.

Nelly, maybe it's worth asking about iui. Although I know some people thinks it's a waste of time and money as outcomes are not much better than trying naturally. You have lots to think about.

Cos, tight squeeze. I hope the test results give some answers and of course hope,

Af in full flow now. I'm firmly in the tent. I've cracked open a box of shortbread I smuggled back from my last visit to the uk. Plenty here for you critter, and anyone else.

Dev - I can't believe they messed up so bad. Last thing you need is to waste half days hols. Grrr..

Ray - sorry about tent and delays. Sending hugs and cake your way.

Nelly - I read somewhere that hidden C is believed to be the reason for suboptimal immune results. Most of the clinics that believe in immunes just treat the immunes by lowering the immune system but serum thinks by testing for hidden c and treating it means you get rid of the cause of immune issues. I'm pretty sure this is all on the agate immune pages on ff.
I'm on a number of the drugs you listed out. Currently weaning off prednisolone - I can't say it's pleasant.

Cos - you poor love. You have been through so much. You deserve some good luck and good news. Sending hugs your way.

Critter - I'm glad you can have a few work from home days and you get fining solace in knitting. You have been amazing. You and Mr C both deserve a happy future. Thinking of you both.

Euro. How's the bump?

Ten have you heard back about your next cycle? I hope you have received an apology.

Thanks lovely ladies for your support. I will never know exactly why one of the twins gave up. I will forever be grateful for the other twin. Deep down I feel my body just couldn't cope with a twin pregnancy. I felt so terrible for those 11 weeks it's actually hard to describe. I longed for night time so I didn't have to feel so awful. I'm still feeling pretty bad - threw up 9 times yesterday but today seems to be better. I feel like my body isn't meant to carry a baby. It feels like the worry and fears will never go away.

Morning lovelies!

I am just getting more and more irate about stupid system (and nurses') faults. So sorry you lost your half day for nothing dev. It's just so wrong! GRRRR. I hope the round will come round at a time that suits you and you'll never need to go to serum. Btw I am still delighted about your much better egg reserve than you expected. Also, I really hope the diet sorts the song bird out for good!

Nelly, interesting stuff from Athens. If you can hack it, it might be worth having a few IUI goes. It's not that invasive or expensive. I'd be tempted to try, also to give you some hope while waiting for DE IVF. I'd find it hard to move to DE if my own eggs hadn't been ruled out categorically.

How are things with you fox? And poutster you always make me smile. Particularly with tales of the dogs. Big and huge, as I'd call them . Hurrah for accu-perfect AF and B-vitamins.

Critter a sneaky squeeze. I am pleased you have mrC as your rock, but still so devastated about everything you've been through. It's wrong and unfair. I do hope June will be here before you know it.

AFM we're very busy tidying the house, since we'll be moving soon after Lembie's arrival. And we have so much shit. I am hormonally driven to chuck everything out, sadly SB does not share my desire for getting rid of our excess...

Sorry you're still feeling so rough sea. It might be best for the remaining twin, but you'll always grieve the one you lost. Lessening of symptoms can also be due to entering the 2nd trimester, which is supposed to be better. Hang in there, I am sure your body is capable of carrying the remaing twin to term, but hopefully you won't feel this bad for much longer.

Oh Dev I can't believe that you wasted a half day off, how ridiculously annoying. It's just a constant stream of administrative disasters sometimes isn't it?

Sea it's only natural to feel so sad at losing one of your twins, but for what it's worth I don't think it's the case your body isn't meant to be pregnant. It's just one of those frustrating things where you might never really know. I am so sad that you aren't able to enjoy your pregnancy (that goes for all of you). It seems so unfair to be cheated out of the joy of growing a new person, even after the battle you've all had to get that far.

Exciting news on the move Lemon. Lembie is going to be a very lucky and loved baby.

Cos you are having such a rough time - has the letter arrived? Big hugs for you.

Ray sorry about AF, and it's particularly cruel timing :(

So questions/comments on my visit.

Hmm Sea that's interesting about the hidden C and immune link. We are taking the antibs so lets just see what happens next. Dev I agree, Chronic seems a bit strong but of course perhaps I haven't recalled exactly what she said! She certainly was making the connection between infection and immunes and I guess in a way it does seem to make sense, albeit my cold sore confuses me a little.

Ray what is the swimup test, is that what Mr N had done? I agree that statistically IUI doesn't seem great but if our swimmers are practically never getting there, and I only get one egg out of IVF anyway, it does seem to be a possible option for us. Cheaper than own egg IVF, which I'm not sure I can face again.

Dev yes of course I will share costs. I'll PM you with what we've spent so far. And I agree it's weird I didn't have my thyroid tested, well I don't think I did, what would it look like on my test results? Also it was interesting what you said about the antibs clearing up a bladder issue, I sometimes have similar so will wait with anticipation to see if that changes.

Cos you asked if it helped with the why? Yes a little bit. It's weird, but despite my low AMH and tumblewomb scans, I've always felt something else was an issue. I don't know how to explain it, maybe because I'm thin I sort of expect my body to be lean in terms of egg production - big ovaries would hurt! Of course perhaps it is just denial. But I wondered about the lack of implantation after IVF, and like others here I've often thought it odd that on so many cycles when I've had very obvious ovulation and we've had "well timed" shags that absolutely zero has EVER happened. And perhaps this isn't particularly generous of me, but it helps A LOT that there might be something Mr N is (or isn't) contributing as well. To explain, before I sound like a complete heartless wretch...I've always felt like I've failed him - but somehow, if it's a case of both of us having problems, that makes it more of a shared responsibility. Which is not to say it's about blame, quite the opposite, but it becomes about us as a unit, and that's something in a strange way I can accept. Maybe I haven't totally let him down after all (although he's never said this of course!).

Waves to everyone else, Fox and Pout, Ten, Critter and all.

Hello lovely peeps,

been reading with open mouth aghast these last couple of weeks. Sorry I havent posted for a while. It's interesting to see how the tables are starting to turn and how less scary test results are starting to surface. Ver ver need to interesting. Now where to start.....

dev- for flips sake about the treatment cock up. How annoying. But I was delighted to hear about the latest amh result. There was always something a bit fishy about your first result. And now you know time is on your side i hope you feel slightly more positive that little dev can come along. Is it worth getting the swim up test done too. Although i remeber my gp saying when we started our fertility investigations that a previous spontaneous conception proves some things are already working and no need to test. Not sure but worth keeping in mind. Also have you ever had comment about shape of your womble? Again just something to strike your time gramefrathe list following Cos' recent result. Big big positive and squeezy hugs. Hope the next few weeks before you cycle fly by.

critter - what a star you are for going back to work. My goodness you are made of tough stuff sweetheart. It makes me sad to think of you crying........but of course it is a totally normal part of your grief and like others have said, good that your colleagues can see that you need to be treated with respect and tenderness. Oh honey, the poetry will return when the time is right. Glad the knitting and masters course are making things a little easier.

Sea - my goodness what an awful shock for you to learn that one twin had died. I am very sorry you lost your baby. And I am sorry this is a tough pregnancy. I know the sickness is beyond hideous. Hang on in there, I agree it sounds like second semester blooming is just around the corner.

ray - I could scream about your af messing you around and delaying the FET. The waiting is worse than the treatment as we all know. Its good that the swimmers have longevity from the swim up test. There must be some quality ones in there. Pass us a shortbread..could just dip one in my tea. Im thinking of you ray, I know you have waited a very long time.

nelly - oh my word!! Now that was a holiday and a half. I bet your head is spinning with all this new info. And how interesting that your instincts told you something else could be going on. I think that is the case for many of us and sometimes this leads us to a successful pregnancy. When I read your account of short life swimmers I have to say that the IUI idea jumped out at me straight away. I appreciate it doesn't always have significant results but for you two it could be an actual treatment plan rather than a shot in the dark if the infection / implantation theory is correct and dealt with. How would it be timed for within 3 hours though.....maybe a question to ask when you have a consultation. Could you literally hang around clinic on ovulation day and be scanned every couple of hours to see when it pops? I dont know, nelly- I am feeling excited for you.......like a corner has been turned. Honestly I do! although your time frame cut off for de sounds sensible.

Cos -I was sort of happy in a 10plusser way to read about the new found womble issue. After my op I learnt I had a arcuate womb ( mild heart shape). Thinking back now to my hsg, the womble looked slightly odd shaped then but noone ever said anything. Inbetween my op and getting pregnant I did loads of research in to womble shapes and bicornate wombs and other shapes really do impact on fertility it seems. But the good news is surgery does often give good outcomes. But I am amazed that in all these years of ttc noone found this or thought to check for it? Sorry for the tears when you were with your parents. No amount of time nor experience can take away that raw pain and urge for a baby. I am sorry. But do not give up cos, things are moving forward.

Fox - hope you are well my lovely, great photos on t'other place. Lots of food for thought from Nelly, ay. Sending big hugs and hoping that you and mr fox are doing ok.

Well all is good in the sar house. Baby sar is a feisty little monkey who likes to punch her dangley toys and pull my hair. But she had cheeky smiles too. She recently had some health scares but thankfully results are coming back ok.

hello to the lovely pout, lemons and euro and anyone I have missed. Missed you all and feels good to do a post.

Sorry for the word mixed up sentences above......bloody tablet.

Sar how lovely to hear from you as always. I hope mini Sar is all ok now, as if you needed health scares.

I think with IUI you take a trigger shot, no? So hopefully swimmers would be put close enough, with an egg ready and waiting, that enough of them would stay alive. Who knows though, it's all guess work!

Mother's Day. So far luckily my FB feed has been full of adults saying nice things about their Mums, not new Mums going on about how being a mother is the best gift ever bla bla bla. . .

Mini sar sounds adorable. It's lovely to hear from you.

Nelly, yes it think you can do a medicated iui cycle so they can time it to fit with ovulation. Did you do a normal ivf cycle or was it icsi? Just wondering if the swimmers managed it in a dish then they should be ok for iui I would have thought.

I'm avoiding fb today, gushing about how amazing it is to be a mum is not something I feel like reading about today. Thankfully it's not Mother's Day here so other than phone calls to mums I can avoid it. We're going out for the day to make the most of the beautiful sunshine. I'll probably post a photo on the other place tonight.

Waves to everyone, it's very quiet on here. I hope that means everyone is doing ok. Cos, I'm thinking of you, did you get the test results back? Critter, thinking of you too as always xx

dev how irritating about the lost half day. I would have been livid.

I've never heard of the swim up test.

ray I am sorry you are back in the tent, but hurrah for biscuits!

sea the throwing up must be awful but absolutely isn't a sign that your body isn't supposed to do pregnancy. It's just a quirk of nature. One of friends is a recurrent miscarrier, and the two pregnancies that have lasted have been the ones where she suffered hyperemesis, pretty much from BFP.

nelly I completely get the shared responsibility thing - I felt like that. You might remember that I used to get quite irritated that mr euro's pretty low SAs were glanced at and set aside while they decided what to put me through next! I drew my own conclusions that his contribution was at least part of the reason why it wasn't happening and that helped me.

Re: IUI you can do natural or use drugs. In your case it sounds like a trigger shot would help as the timing would need to be precise.

sar how lovely to see you over here.

critter I'm thinking of you. I hope you are doing ok.

sea you asked about my bump, it is fairly flat at the moment, as I have had this persistent tummy bug. I am hoping it has gone now, but I thought that before and it came back. It is fairly mild but just goes on and on. I've had 12 days of it! I think my stomach would be concave at this point under normal circumstances!

I'm having a nice weekend - we went to see some friends yesterday and had a lovely day mooching about with them and even managed the first bbq of the season. I'm off to see my mum later today. She seems to be getting some answers on her health issues - the arm is healing, albeit painfully, the blood clots are under control with drugs and the sleep study showed that she is stopping breathing in her sleep, so that is what is causing the night "panic attacks". And we're off on our hols next month, so that is not too far off. :)

sea I was sick all the way through, its quite natural although unpleasant, big hugs my lovely

critter As always I am in awe of how strong you are through all of this, take it easy at work, they should understand you need to be eased back in

ray sorry you are in the tent

pout I too love your pet stories, interesting about the vit B, I used to take high doses for my migraines

euro of your up coming hols, glad things are getting better for your mum

nelly great news from Serum, on one of the other threads a lady just got her bfp from her trip there, in fact i think there might be 2 of them on there, I know you are still going to try here but they are lovely ladies if you wanted to chat to them about things

dev its frustrating when people won't admit they have made a cock up

sar glad all is well with baby sar

foxy enjoy having your family over

well the weather is great so we are off for a walk in the park and to get a free coffee from Waitrose and I don't shop there

waves to anyone i have missed

Dh didn't fall for my now annual April fool joke of "I'm pregnant!" This is now considered too far fetched.

It is very sleepy round here, is the thread dying out now?

I'm half in, half out the tent. Af has finished so new cycle and fingers crossed only 4 weeks until I start the fet round. The sun is helping my mood but yesterday I just felt so very sad everytime something reminded me of babies. It's like I've reached a new phase, it's not the anger or frustration it's just a very deep sadness. I spent some time with a friend and her adorable baby. She's really the cutest thing, the sort you want to eat and her mum is happier than I've ever known and it made me so unbelievably envious and also left me feeling a little blue.

How is everyone else? I miss the chat.

at your April Fool being too far fetched ray It is interesting reading about your friend being so content with her baby and with motherhood. I am in a new phase of questioning just that, whether it would actually make me happy or whether the reality would be stress city and miserable. I don't understand all this flip flopping around my brain does. I think that my heart wants a baby (not to mention the biological urge) but my head doesn't sometimes. I don't know...
It is fabulous that you will be doing the FET in the next few weeks. I am chuffed that you won't have to wait so long as you feared.

sar it is lovely to hear from you and to hear that mini sar is a little tinker! So sorry top hear that you have had health worries but so glad that the tests are okay. Hurrah!

critter How are you doing? I think of you & MrC everyday.

sea It was nice to get your update. I am so sorry that you have the fear. I echo what euro said about morning sickness being a positive sign. Thinking of you.

buzz so it is you and MrP lowering the tone at Waitrose with your free coffee? rolls eyes at the riff raff element How is babybee? Also wanted to say that your photography on t'other place is really awesome. You are very talented. Have you had lessons?

euro glad to hear that your mum is doing better and that you seem to be getting some answers about her problems.

Nelly I was really interested to read your Greece update. The swimmers test was very interesting & explains alot. Surely it must be pretty much impossible to have timed SWI to that three hour window. IUI does sound like an intriguing avenue on that basis. I hate the way that most NHS Trusts dismiss IUI. It was flatly mooted in my case which I guess is fine if you have had the swimmers test but if not.....
Have you had any more thoughts on what now? Also wanted to say whoah at that bag of drugs....jeez!

dev Oh goodness at a wasted holiday day and the ball up.

lemons hope that you have snaffled SB's shit out in bin bags persuaded SB to part with some of his treasured junk stuff so that you can start nesting

cos thinking of you. When can you speak to someone about your results? It must be so nerve wracking and you are on my mind.

How did we all find Mothers Day. I thought that I was okay even though MrP for the first time ever didn't get me a card from the dogs which was sad but stoopid of me to be upset! until we went to Morrisons and saw all the MD tat. I just felt so sad that I would never get some God awful mug that says Best Mum. I don't suppose people even consider what a rubbish day it is for barrens.

sar health worries with MiniSar if that wasn't clear. I want to say again that I am so happy that the tests are coming back clear

Hi ladies,

Ray – at your April fool. Goodness, that’s brave but I guess if you’ve been doing it for years! I feel for you being in one of those stages. I find them really hard to deal with. Whilst I’m perfectly content at the moment, I know this feeling is short lived and at any moment, there could be a trigger – hormonal or something else – that will plunge me in to one of these moods and where I wonder whether I will be truly happy again. Seeing a friend who is so content with her life and her baby is immensely hard and enough to make anyone blue. I must admit, I felt a pang of green when I saw that family photo the other day of wills and kate and baby and with the breed of dog I was brought up with. I felt a bit morose for a bit.

Pout – i totally hear you on the flip flopping thing. I never quite understand what I truly want. If no one around me had babies, I suspect I wouldn’t get so distressed about this. I wonder whether I feel left out more than anything else. Easter and Christmas never bothered me until I couldn’t conceive so is that just because I can’t get what I want now? Most the time I just love my freedom of being able to go and do exactly what I please when I please and having zero responsibility. I guess that’s the head bit. Then I dread Easter as I love the idea of being able to do an easter egg hunt and reminds me of all the chocolate fun when I was a kid and wish I had little ones to do that with. I guess that’s just a romantic vision though. Mothers day has never bothered me...a bit like valentines day. I’ve never recognised it and never seemed to register growing up. Are people nauseating about mothers day on FB ? I suspect i have some friends who make their husbands go out and buy them cards on behalf of the kids and then the husband has to write something. Perhaps that’s normal though! Mothers day must be hard for those people who have lost their mums.

Euro – i’m pleased your mum seems to be making some progress. That’s positive news.

Sar – lovely to hear from you. I’m sorry miniSar has had a few health scares but glad tests are coming back normal.

Nelly – how are the disgusting antibs going? Thanks also for sharing costs when you have time. Those antibs alone cost about £90 in the UK so would be interested to know the difference of buying in Greece. And I totally hear you on having a problem identified with MrNelly. One of the worse parts of all this is the responsibility, the guilt, the blaming oneself, the feeling of utter hopelessness of not being able to give hubby a child so if that ‘blame’ can be shared amongst you, I can imagine it makes you feel better. Roy said to me last week at the hospital “so your eggs are faulty” and I had to firmly point out that they said “embryos are faulty” in which case that implicate him as well and not just my poor eggs. [Although i secretly believe I’m the culprit]. I would feel so much better about all this if they told us he was the problem.

Sea – I’’m so sorry that you are still feeling so grim. How deeply unpleasant. I agree with Euro though. Your body is meant to be pregnant but for some reason some people suffer more than others with morning sickness. It is always a good sign when people are throwing up as your body is producing all the right hormones. Anyway it is deeply unfair that you are still suffering. I highly suspect your lost twin would have had a chromosome issue but still it’s difficult to take on board. Interesting about the whole idea about treating the cause of the immune problem with antibs. I’ve heard that before. I took the month of antibs a few months before ivf and i had immune probs too so it just shows a lot of this is a guessing game with many theories. Are you still having ivig by the way?

Cos – any news on the histoliogy and karotyping?

Hi there, still no news from the products testing. A relief they told me letter was being written last weds so I can keep rushing to my letter box. Sigh. Went for blood test today and lovely nurse told me she tried for 4 yrs and then they found a tiny polyp, andremoved it and bam normal service resumed. I cried obvs. There are answers and ways forward and we have to be warriors! I hear you on the head heart thing. Currently having a fab spell at work and even increased my hours. My walls with the neighbours are v thin and they had a huge row sun am Ibet ttriggered by no md card from the infants. Those kids scream constantly too, not an advert.

Hello! Den the thread it's not dying! Little person leaves me tomorrow and I'll be back on Thursday for mega catch up. I shed a tear on Mother's Day when he asked me why I wasn't anybody's mummy but I'd been alright up until then. I notice there is a do children make you happy thread...

Quick luffs and warrior energy x

Hi lovelies!

I am here still, but trying not to monopolise the thread, as it seems a little wrong...

Sorry for the endless wait cos. Hopefully it will come. I hate waiting for letters - where we were they sent a letter with the number (if any) frosties that you got, sometime halfway through the WWs for IVF. Nerve wracking letter box checking. And this of course, is worse...

Pout you'll be proud, I managed to convince SB to part company with a table we're had in storage for about five years, that belonged to his evil ex. When he moved in, there was a surprising amount of her stuff lurking under his bed. We dropped off some of it, but this table was too heavy. She never asked for it, and we thought by now the time frame of reasonable storing of shit was over... But other than that, he kept copious amounts of newspapers, magazines and general tat. I give up. Luckily he's the one that needs to nest, so the flat will get a fresh lot of paint - for selling and nesting purposes - and then we'll raid sister's treasure trove of baby stuff.

Hurrah for little peeps fox. Although it'll be nice to have you back!

I am impressed with you for making that April fool's joke for many years ray. I'd not be able too... The flip flopping that you and dev mention I so recognise. I am still struggling getting my head around the whole thing... I am now down on my file as the loony that doesn't believe she's diffed despite serious bump, movement and a baby that is allowed to arrive in less than two months.

Thinking of you critter, every day. I continue to be in awe with you!

Cos - gees over a week and you still don't have the letter. That's bad form. Apart from the noise of screaming kids next door which is a pain, I think it's better than having a cute lot of kids right there. Some friends have monster children and I feel better when I leave their houses!
That's good about your work. What blood tests are you having?

A quick wave from me. Work is a bit crazy at the moment.

I understand the flipflopping too. I was very much like that when we were ttc. I never wanted children until my early 30s and at times still used to think that being child-free wouldn't be all bad. I still have moments now of thinking "what have I done?" mostly when I look at the state of my body thinking about how life is going to change.

Critter I am thinking of you. See you shortly!

Quick bored at work post. Yes to the flip flopping. Mostly when I'm doing fun hobble stuff. And I've maybe said this before but some of my friends now have older children and life is resuming normality! I get my friends back and they want to make up for lost time.

Dev yes the antibs are a bit foul. I feel a bit sick just after taking them but not all the time thankfully. Only 2 more weeks to go . I'm not starting the baby aspirin until I've finished those. Think I'm entering the hormone slump phase of my cycle and no doubt spotting will appear soon.

Ray I'm glad the FET is early here! I thought you were worried it would have to wait longer?

I was at the hairdresser on Saturday (think I accidentally got Ombré hair). Anyway when I told her about the new hobble she said "ok no children happening then" . And then later the newlywed beside me announced her diffedness. Luckily I was hiding behind my mesh and didn't have to fake enthusiasm...

Better finish what I was doing as it's nearly home time, yay! Will name check later I promise.

I do the flip flopping too, but I'm currently in the really want a baby mode. There have been times when I've wondered if it's what I want and I think the longer ttc goes on then the more time there is to think about it all in a little too much detail. Most people don't get the chance to give it much thought because they're pregnant before they know it. My friends all seem to have very cute and well behaved children, or at least they are in public. I do sometimes think that my life is so much easier because I don't have children though, but I can't pretend that it's what I want for the rest of my life.

lemons I understand the state of denial. I think long term ttc puts a whole different spin on things. I discussed with DH if we would make a big announcement if we were to ever get to 12 weeks and we both said that we would want to keep it hidden for as long as possible. I know that women who've had ivf are more likely to suffer post natal depression and I can understand why because we want everything to be perfect.

nelly the anti bs don't sound like much fun. Whats ombre? Have you given any more thought to IUI? It's so great that you've come back from Greece with more options. I think the scary thing about doing ivf is it leaves you with a feeling that you've run out of options when it doesn't work, or at least that's how I feel with two failed rounds behind me.

We have a gap end April/May when we could do the fet. If we miss that window then it will be August or Sept before we can do it. Fingers crossed this cycle plays ball, but it should be ok but I can't take anything for granted now.

There was a shock announcement today. I hadn't been expecting it and I felt that kick in the stomach feeling. She'd been for her 12 week scan then came into the office and told us all in a very excited way. I managed the congratulations, smile etc but I escaped to the loo and had a few tears when the conversation moved on to baby names. I really hope I reach a point some time soon when it doesn't hurt anymore.

ray I am willing your cycle to play ball.
I can see why well behaved children will fuel your desire for a baby. I always think of my nephew who was the most adorable and well behaved little darling and that makes me crave a baby. Like you dev I do mull over how crappy it would be to lose my freedom. It is so nice to spend hours crafting or pottering about the garden. I also have noticed a lot of MN threads dealing with the horrors of a post birth body and it scares me shitless. The thought of a ravaged lady garden and difficult sex life going forward is just too horrible for words. And the TMI meander into my brain is over

ray I am so sorry about the left field announcement today, how awful. How odd to announce it like that so soon. Oddly on the when would you tell people front I have often pondered this and lean towards the leaving it as long as humanly possible before telling most people.

lemons well done you on operation ex-GF table skipping - good work! at you being noted as the loon who doesn't believe they are pregnant. Priceless!

cos Oh and cross noises at the interminable wait for the letter. My mother always maintained that the hospital internal post system is very slow. FX that the letter arrives soon.
I would hate living next door to children {miserable old git face}. The sound of crying/excitable visiting children next door to our old house used to make me stabby.

nelly I second ray's question, what is ombre? I bought some hair dye from the 99p shop and am too frightened to use it in case it makes my hair fall out It's Garnier apparently but I'm still a bit

fox Aww I got a lump in my throat at little person's question to you

I've been very reticent about telling people. Close friends new from the IVF cycle. Family were told after the 12 week scan. I formally notified work at around 14 weeks. I told the US bosses I work for directly this week (18-19 weeks) and then only because someone who works with them was in our office this week and I would rather they hear it from me.

new=knew