All that she wants is A baby! The Berries searching for the 'sign' but never symptom spotting (honest), possibly using a vagina jack and trying to get a FUFC before boarding the IVF train (thread 18)

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Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 12+months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot and def no mention of baby dust or baby dancing UGH !!! Ooooh aren’t we strict!

Barking, it will be a sad time I think wherever you may be and whatever you're doing. I thought I'd be diffed by now which would soften the blow, but no. You on the other hand haven't missed that opportunity yet.

If you have short lp then surely that indicates low progesterone meaning you will need to take this artificially until placenta takes over around 12weeks. I'm sure they would give you this with IVF but what about for a Clomid bfp? Can you talk to them next week about prescribing this in event of bfp?

I know you tried b6 before. It didn't work for me either if taken throughout cycle, but did you try it from say maybe 2dpo for rest of cycle? I start 5dpo and take 50mg. This adds a day sometimes 2 to Lp. Worth another bash?

Morning all, sorry I've not been on for a while - also have my head such in a sandpit (a little different to yours Boodle but hope youre ok).

Looks like Berry HQ is a little on the low side at the moment, but like everyone else on here I am glad that there are others going through similar problems. I am very jealous of those of you who will be sniffing your way into IVF I will have to inject the whole way through and whilst the appointment last month at the FC was positive the whole enormity of it all is starting to sink in (especially the bit around OHSS!)

Tiger keep on going with the health kick - but I do know what you mean about trying to be inventive with little known ingredients when knackered!

Because hope that the thyroxine helps - I now that hospitals / Drs suck but every optimisation of health helps.

Sorry if I have missed anyone - being sneaky and logged on at work (who monitor internet usage) will try and log on again form home tonight.

Have a good day all x

funky When I ask about my levels (and whether they will do them again as everything has gone haywire post mc) I'll definitely be asking about the progesterone and whether I can take it. Not thought of trying vit b after O, I've only tried it all through the cycle. I didn't want to take anything else once I started the clomid.
More bleeding today. I'm feeling like a tired and emotional mess. Working from home and getting very little done .
I've got just one more chance for a bfp before my due date (although it would be very, very early) but the girl that got pg around the same time as me was two weeks ahead so I think I'll have to face that birth announcement and baby from DHs best mate knowing I'm still not pg. I really wanted to be pg by then for DHs sake as much as mine. It really kills me that I can't give him a baby when all his friends are starting family life. This will be the 7th baby in a year, and we started trying before most of them .

Barking I am really sorry that you are having such a hard time at the moment; I really feel for you but you need to try to not be so hard on yourself. It is absolutely rubbish when everyone around you seems to be getting pg at the drop of a hat (I also have 6 friends all due in July / August) and although have not had a mc know how frustrating / sad / lonely it can be stood on the sidelines. I'm sure that DH appreciates that you are also thinking about him as well

barking keep both feet on the yellow brick road - you're not out this cycle just yet. Channel your inner Scarlett O'Hara (but minus the bitchy bits).

So, can anyone explain this sniffing business to me? First time I saw someone mention it I assumed it was an autocorrect thing, but no, you're all on about sniffing! What the heck is it?

'sniffing' is I believe an alternative way to down-regging instead of the stabbing (don't know if it can be used for stimming as well). I don't know what the criteria are for one as opposed to the other - just jealous!

Barking I'm sorry you're feeling so shitty just now, it's just so bloody difficult isn't it. I'm the same, lots of friends popping out kids and announcing new pregnancies when DP and I have been at it much longer than they have. I'm finding it a struggle with my SIL at moment, she has the same due date as my mc'ed pregnancy and it's making me a right jealous old cow

When is your FC appointment? Have you been taking Clomid again? My FC are making me do 12 rounds of Clomid in total (I did 5 and got my mc bfp, I've just done 2 post mc, and so I have 5 more left) and, if no bfp by the end of all that then they'll move me onto Gonadotropin injections before even considering me for IVF. I'm really pissed of about it, that'll take me to over 3 years ttc before even a referral for IVF Sorry for all of the questions, I like to know what other FC do to help me argue my case...

otters it really is a lottery. My FC appointment is next Wednesday. I'm fully expecting them to refer me for IVF and if they don't I think I'll get hysterical. When we first spoke to the consultant he said the criteria in our area is 2 years ttc and 6 rounds of clomid before referral, then we get one full cycle funded. (You also have to be in a stable relationship for 2 years - it baffles me how this could possibly not be the case if the two patients sat in the appointment had been ttc for two years...). I got my bfp on my first round of clomid so the FC told me I had to take the remaining 5 cycles before I saw them again. I was ok with this as I was convinced it would work again. I hadn't bargained on my cycles being even more messed up than they were before though. I've got one more lot to take although the FC don't know this and I won't be telling them as my cycles disappeared altogether post mc so I couldn't start the clomid again for a while. I'm hoping that the guidelines of being treated within 18 weeks starts being counted from the date of referral, so that I can tell myself I will be starting IVF by mid July. What really stinks though is that I turn 35 in June, and at that point become ineligible for the reduced cost egg sharing IVF. I won't have time to see if my one free cycle on the NHS works before my chance of affordable private IVF has vanished . If I hadn't had the mc I would have been starting IVF around now and would therefore have the safety net of the private option. . But I rant about this too much and should stop thinking 'what if' all the time as it really doesn't help!!!

I think 12 rounds is ridiculous. I think Boodle was successful in taking the NICE guidelines about clomid to her FC and not having to jump through the 6 cycle hoop as a result, and I'm pretty sure kitty refused to do 6 cycles of clomid but still got IUI? Can someone with a better memory help me out? There were lots of berries starting clomid at the same time, but not all completed all 6 rounds. The NICE guidelines basically state (I think) that if you are already ovulating, you shouldn't be given clomid as a) it doesn't help and b) you're releasing more precious eggs than you need to each month, and there's not an unlimited supply.

Ok, back to work....

Otters, have you looked at the NICE guidelines for fertility?
guidance.nice.org.uk/CG156 (first time of posting a link and am on phone - hope it works!)

It says for clomid you shouldn't be given it for longer than 6 cycles - the relevant section is ovulation disorders. I know they are only guidelines but Id imagine they need to have a reason not to follow them. Hope it helps.

Sorry x post with Barking! Interesting to know everyone's experience with clomid though. It seems as though they try to push everyone on that direction.

Barking I hope your appointment next week isn't needed but if it is that it gets you to IVF soon.

Thanks Barking and Beaky, I'll take a good look at those. I'm in Scotland so I'll have a look at the SIGN guidelines too. I didn't ovulate on my own at all after coming off the pill. They put me on Clomid after 1 year, 4 months of no ovulation and weird scant periods. I only take a tiny 25mg dose and I have ovulated every month I've taken it. I think the FCs thoughts are that it 'works' for me so I should try it for as long as possible , then when that option is exhausted they'll bung me on another ovulation induction drug (Gonal-f). No matter that I've hardly any cm now or that my periods are lasting for just 1.5 days My next FC app isn't until the end of May when I'll have 3 more Clomid cycles under my belt but I might try and get a cancellation app before then to go bloody radge discuss my options.

If anyone has any experience of dealing with Clomid and arguing against being on it for a long time I'd really appreciate hearing about it.

Barking I'm really rooting for you to get a bfp this time. Dealing with the FC is a total headfuck.

Yes, I was one who had a clomid strop! I had 2 prog tests confirming ovulation and 1 that didn't...but it was taken 2 days after ovulation, 7 days before AF. Apparently this was enough proof to say I didn't ovulate and needed clomid. After 3 months of VERY high prog levels (192 on one test) and discomfort I went back to consultant and put my foot down. She was not happy with me but it got me my IVF referral.

Thanks for your input Boodle, I love that you had a strop! DP is scared of me when we're seeing consultants and doctors and the like. I take no prisoners shit. It's years of hospital visits as a child being put to good use!

I guess the difference with me is that I didn't ovulate before the Clomid (I did months of testing before I was given it). So in that sense it is working. I just want to move on from it now. I'll give it two more rounds then demand further discussion with the FC.

Admittedly my ovulation was sluggish - levels around 29.6 if I recall but, like Barking, my problems are LP related. 9 days at best, with 2-3 days spotting in advance.

I guess the fact that you're on a very low clomid dose might be why they feel that you can go a few more rounds? Still, if it's not working, there's no point continuing really.

It might well be. I suspect it's because it's a cheap treatment though Thanks for sharing, it helps to build a picture of what happens elsewhere.

Well, yes; that too - bloody cheapskates!

If nothing else, you've always got the 6 month thing to argue with.

Much more useful post than mine beaky, I waffle about something that might be written in some guidelines and you actually put a link to them!

More bleeding here. Think I'm falling off the YBR. Just had a nice chat and gossip with a friend though, so not feeling as sorry for myself as I was this morning, just not very positive about our chances. I wish I'd taken double the dose of clomid last cycle just to see what would happen....

Sorry you're more or less off the Yellow Brick Road, Barking. I tinkered about with my clomid doses too but nothing came of it, except an elevated progesterone result. You got success with that dose before so probably not much use overdoing it with a double dose.

Barking do you have any idea what else could be causing such a crazy LP? This is much shorter than your pre clomid days isn't it?

Ah Barking it's only cause it was open on my phone as I'd been reading it last night!

Evening all. This week seems to be dragging, can't believe it is only Wednesday.

barking sorry to here about the bleeding/spotting. Is it definitely af on the way? Cling to that YBR....even if it is with the tips of your fingernails!

funky am going to fuerteventura. We just wanted guaranteed sunshine in April and somewhere to just relax and do nothing. I also didn't want to go too far in case I was pg although that was a pointless worry. We usually go on much more active and independent holidays but I think the total rest will do us good. Annoyingly I had booked it to be perfectly timed for ov but a randomly short cycle last month eff'd that up.

I don't fit the guidelines for clomid so I would certainly put my foot down and strop a la boodle if they did try to put me on it!

otters I'm not surprised that you are getting fed up. 12 cycles of clomid seems like an awful lot to go through until you can progress to the next stage. Are the guidelines different in Scotland?

Hope everyone else is ok. Hsg tomorrow, not particularly looking forward to it, but at least it represents a step forward.

Ah, barking sorry to hear you're of the ybr. I hope your appointment next week brings you some answers. Sounds like your FC is due a pummeling. I just don't understand how they've just slapped you back on clomid after an mc with no monitoring or support - disgraceful.

otters I had five or six rounds of clomid last year - five I think - and got an ectopic bfp on my last dose. I've got pcos and wasn't ovulating and I also have only a left fallopian tube. I ovulated three times on clomid on doses 100mg and 150mg. They told me to go away, have two af's post ectopic and book in for a hsg after that to see what's up with my tube. D-day is next weds. If the tube is clear, I have to decide whether to take more clomid or to get on the ivf waiting list. Bit lost as to what to do but no point in fretting till I know what my tube situation is. In the meantime, I've been having acupuncture and was put on vitex a couple of weeks ago. I think I ovulated for the first time on my own, well, ever, a few weeks ago (oh was overseas for work, of course)

All this ttc business is driving me a bit mad at the moment. Don't feel down, just pissed off! I really am at the point where I don't recognise myself. I'm consumed by it but also wondering if maybe I shouldn't be having a child - like the universe... Oh, would someone please just wang me?

Anyway, sorry there are lots feeling down at the moment. We have to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and know that the odds are in our favour.

On another note, has anyone heard from Kuma or Pip or aquarius lately? And what about lady?

Sorry if I've missed loads - am on my phone and and cants scroll back too far.

to all

tiger good luck at your hsg tomorrow!

Merk I've no idea. My LP was a pretty constant 8 days for the 18 months I'd been tracking it pre bfp, occasionally 7 or 9, but everything is just messed up now. Last cycle was 7 day LP, this cycle I spotted after just 5. Not 'full flow' yet though, so it might not count as a short LP if I actually get a proper bleed again this month (although I really don't want to be spotting for 9 days and then start AF).

Boodle I would like to know what my progesterone level was/is. It'll be on my list to ask....

Sunshine sounds good tiger! Good luck for the hsg tomorrow, hope it all goes smoothly. I've probably already asked you this, but you're not allergic to shellfish are you?

feather wang but only gently, as I could do with one myself and if I hit you hard you might hit me back harder

Yes, definitely ask, Barking; once you know there's a lot of information online about what it may or may not mean.

Feather, most of the people you mentioned above are about in t'other place. Haven't heard from Pip in a while though although I have seen her about on other boards. I suspect she's just having a break from it all and I don't blame her.