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Fab Forty-Plus! Where are the BFPs...

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JBrd · 07/02/2014 08:50

To keep this thread going, proving support to all of those of a 'riper vintage' wishing for a baby...

I have received so much help, advice and support here, so although I technically have graduated, I thought I'd get the next thread going to keep the momentum.

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huftydufty · 15/03/2014 10:39

Oh Deige, he is so cute! What a lovely boy.

Grizzer, I do wonder why our bodies respond to tiny amounts of HCG, or maybe it is different hormones, when tests aren't showing positives, or are faint? It is weird isn't it. I have had all sorts of symptoms today - feeling like I have to eat to take away the nasty taste in my mouth, and finding that nausea starts if I'm not constantly eating. I have also had some twinges in the boobs, bu they aren't achey. I've had the teeny tiniest bit of brown on my cervix, but no spotting.and I've had plenty of cramping on and off all day.

Deige I took my temp when I woke this morning and it wasn't nearly as high as the day before(but that wasn't taken when I first woke) but it was higher than normally before AF arrives. So, inconclusive I think Confused

I went and bought some FRER tests today, did one when I got home, around 1:30 pm, but it was very faint, so it really hasn't set my mind to rest. It was probably fainter than yesterday's morning test, but maybe that stands to reason, or maybe it is because hcg is dropping. It's just too early to tell.

Bloomin' heck, I wish I could just feel confident, but that is impossible. If I got a nice dark test I'd be over the moon Grin

Grizzer, I have everything crossed that AF stays away!

diege · 15/03/2014 12:19

Hold on in there hufty! It really is too early to tell either way how things are going, and the temps are still encouraging xx

huftydufty · 15/03/2014 15:21

I know now. AF has just started - proper bleeding - so I am sure it is over.

I am okay. This is not what I wanted but treating it like a late period is better than having a loss at 9 or 10 weeks.

This is why I stopped actively ttc because it is such an emotional roller coaster. However seeing those two pink lines can't be beaten it is such a nice thing to see. I never get tired of it.

Having said that I don't think I will become active ttc again. I think I may be past my use by date...

Thanks for the support. Now I will have to name Change again. Perhaps "pastit" would be appropriate?

Grizzer · 15/03/2014 17:29

So sorry Hufty you are amazingly strong. I have no words for you but I hope you're ok xx
Laurie is lovely Deige I wanna get me one of those x
Still no AF for me but all sort of aches & twinges. I don't know what to think. Will try to hold off testing til Monday but I'm sure I'll end up testing in the morning.

diege · 15/03/2014 18:52

Oh Humfty that is so disappointing for you Sad. Is it any consolation to have experienced the bfps or does that make it worse? Better etc etc to find out now I know, but not much consolation this minute I'm sure xxx
Grizzer not sure I could hold out without testing, but then I did start pos from 5dpo when ttc Blush. Sounding pretty hopeful though xx

huftydufty · 15/03/2014 23:27

Actually Deige, it is a consolation to have had the bfp's. I had always hoped to see those two lines again, and those little lines hold so much hope, so it was still a positive experience. Even if I was only pregnant for three days, it was still three days where I had glimmers of a happy future with a new little one in my life.

Of course I am sad, but it is a drop in the ocean compared to the devastation of miscarriage. Despite losing another pregnancy I have woken up feeling positive about things. Getting the bfp shows that my DH still has healthy sperm (I had questioned it as he's had a reversal and it has been two years since the last bfp) and that I am still ovulating (something else I was questioning), so in a way it is hopeful.

I have even consider taking the clomid I have sitting in the cupboard. Would it help with egg quality? Is it worth trying? I still worry about the side effects, my old age and I wouldn't want to cause a cyst or something.

Grizzer, if AF stays away, that's a great sign. Everything crossed for you.

Grizzer · 16/03/2014 09:57

Humph. AF arrived this morning. I really felt she was making an appearance on Friday (when she was supposed to) & had prepared myself. To have 2 extra days to build my hopes up is just cruel.

diege · 16/03/2014 10:07

Ah bugger it grizzer Sad A big and well-deserved Wine for you xx
One for you too hufty. I'm with you on the silver lining of the bfp - I think I would be spurred on in your situation to continue as I'm sure it is just a case of waiting for that good egg (though so stressful). How are you feeling today?

huftydufty · 16/03/2014 10:32

oh grizzer I am sorry. It is not fair having our hopes smashed .
Thanks for asking diege. I have been ok though I had a good cry in the car on the way home this afternoon,listening to Join Mitchell., " I've looked at life from both sides now" seems appropriate .

Now I am snuggled up to DS on the couch watching Ben and Holly. I wish I had magic at my disposal to get what I want. Much easier than all the hard work of ttc and having hopes dashed.

I went out this afternoon for high tea for a friend's 50th. It was lovely. They got me up to sing a few songs and she loved it. I wasn't actually expecting to be asked to sing so I hadn't been at all prepared. They loved it though. Good for my self esteem . Despite a nice afternoon out I still came away feeling a bit flat but that is due to hormones I should think
Bleeding is heavier than normal but not too bad.

I am trying to keep my mind off ttc but this bfp has got me spurred on again. Grrr...

Tadpole2013 · 16/03/2014 16:22

Oh Grizzer. The pain of those extra days. Been through that. Really sorry and feeling with you. Of course we can't help getting our hopes high.
I have no symptoms whatsoever but still... that little hope doesn't die.

hufty Sorry, my dear. Just so sorry.

diege Laurie is DORNABLE!! (my friend's daughter used to say this). Oh, just so darling. I WANT ONE TOO!

hopeful How you keeping?

willitbe Was thinking of you. Hope you're strong.

Sorry if I missed knews. Just wanted to pop in quickly. Moved yesterday. So, so tired.

Happy Sunday and good luck, my lovelies.
xxx

greenlizard · 16/03/2014 17:11

Aghhhhhhh Diege - Laurie is adorable! All chubby and gorgeous...he looks like a smiler too? I want two one!

Sorry huffty and grizzerSad Sad

hopeful how's it going?

Appreciate some of your collective wisdom ladies. Given my cycles are a bit all over the place I had another scan yesterday. No cysts or fibroids. CD14 and my lining was 7.5mm and I had a few follicles on both my right ovary (the one people keep telling me is inactive Hmm) and on my left however They were all much smaller than they should be at this stage of my cycle (6mm on average and one of 9mm on my right). The sonographer said that my lining wasn't as thick as it should be and my follicles were too small but that the 9mm follicle had a white ring around it (which is apparently a sign of ovulation) and if it had collapsed post ovulation it would not sustain a pregnancy as it wasn't looking like it was big enough to produce progesterone. Thing is my chart looks like I have here and I thought the temp rise is due to a rise progesterone?

huftydufty · 16/03/2014 22:56

Tadpole, Green, you do realise I am Hopefulgum, don't you? I changed my name after getting a bfp. Sadly that's all changed, so I may have to change my name back, or to something else, as I am not feeling so hopeful anymore, but I suppose it would stop any confusion. I am a bit tired of the name though..

Green, it does look like a good temperature shift on your chart.And that is usually caused my progesterone. I am not sure of the wisdom of doctors. A couple of years ago,after blood tests, I was told my estrogen was way too low, blah,blah,blah and I got a bfp that cycle.

You could have the 21 day test (or 7 dpo) to see if you have enough progesterone.

Any news wishingfor?

isadorable · 17/03/2014 13:41

Sorry it wasn't to be this time Gum. Hi to everyone else.

willitbe · 17/03/2014 14:55

So sorry Gum, I had been popping back looking for Gum posts, now I find out you are huftydufty. I am so sorry that this one was a brief flicker of hope. As for the future - yes go for the clomid, it is supposed to help the eggs.

Green - I too understood that it was the progesterone that rises temps, so therefore you have a rise in progesterone. I would second the suggestion of getting a progesterone test 7dpo if that would help put your mind at ease?

deige -Laurie is a real cutie.

Hi to everyone else.

We are ttc again by NTNP, since my temps have been messed up with the m/c, I am not actually sure where we are in the cycle, but I think I might have ovulated yesterday, possibly..... or af could be due in a few days. The unknown of it all. It is not the wisest of decisions to not prevent, but emotionally it is where I am at and dh is going along with it. Time will tell where it leads us.

Irishmammybread · 17/03/2014 19:07

So sorry hufty ,it's hard having your hopes raised and then dashed again x

huftydufty · 18/03/2014 06:54

Thanks you ladies.
I am having a bit of a difficult day actually. I'm trying to be philosophical about it all, and trying to be grateful for all my blessings, but in all honestly I feel very let down that this pregnancy couldn't be the one.

It doesn't help that I have a headache, feel very tired and still have a very strong metallic taste in my mouth. I don't quite understand why I'd have that when tests are negative and I have been bleeding. Of course I make up fantastical stories like I have just lost a twin and there's another one in there and the hcg just isn't high enough yet. But I know that's extremely unlikely to be the case.

I am supposed to be back on the 5:2 diet, but I just can't seem to convince myself to fast today when I am feeling so sad. I also have very little motivation to do much and feel I am just going through the motions.

Just wish I could have my happy ending/beginning...

Sorry to be a downer.

wishingfor, how are you?

greenlizard · 18/03/2014 07:31

Sorry you are feeling so understandably down hufty . this TTC lark is bloody hard work.

Be kind to yourself and you don't have to totally "give up" TTC if you don't want.

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JBrd · 18/03/2014 13:32

Oh gum/hufty Sad I am so so sorry that this has happened to you. How sad that so much hope and happiness then gets crushed again. I agree with green - be kind to yourself, you don't want to add to your misery by fasting! Don't decide anything just yet, let it all be for a little, it's all too soon to make any final decisions at this point. Even if it was 'just' the start of a pregnancy, it's still a loss, and therefore needs to be dealt with. Do what you have to do to grieve.
Sending hugs and Thanks

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stowsettler · 18/03/2014 15:11

Um. Feel a bit of a fraud posting on here, especially after gum / hufty's disappointing results - sympathies and Thanks ladies.

I did post about 6 weeks ago, all geared up to TTC #2 (I'm 41 in about 3 weeks) - however nothing happened first month and actually DP told me he's not keen on another. So I left this thread behind and decided to concentrate on DD.

Well here I am. BFP just now. Head is spinning and really not sure how to approach this with DP.

mattsmama · 18/03/2014 16:21

Gum and Hefty - so sorry to read about your hopes being crushed - no amount of words can make the ache inside any easier. Hufty - I can really understand your feelings. Even when I had an ERPC 3 years ago - and knew there was no way I could still have been pregnant I still hoped beyond hope they had got it wrong and somehow I was. We want it so much. Really feel for both of you xx

Stow - wow! I am presuming you are very happy with this outcome? As for DP - well I don't really know what to say (except that I always maintain if a guy does not want to get a lady pregnant he knows what he should do!). Sorry that does not help at all I know! Or was he under the impression you were taking some precaution? If this is not the case then he can't really be annoyed with the outcome can he? Break it to him when he is in a good mood and after all it is a lovely piece of news! I am sure he will come round. Good luck and congratulations!

As for me, I am in the two week wait and it is torture! AF due 23rd and stupidly I have done a frer today. Negative of course. Symptom spotting all the time. To be honest I am finding it all an emotional drain and then when / if that elusive BFP does show - that is just then beginning of all the worry and stress. Why is it so easy for some people, yet so bloody hard for some of us?

SquidgyMummy · 18/03/2014 16:46

So sorry to hear about your news gum / hufty
congrats stow

I dip into this thread and lots of wise posters around.

I am 8 days late and done 5 cheapy tests - all BFN's so just waiting for AF (daren't hope that there is a BFP).

lots of symptom spotting - mainly heartburn - had it all the time with DS.

posted another thread asking about cheap internet tests - how many days late before you got a BFP. With DS i used pound shop ones, got a negative at 3 days and a positive at 11 days late, so i am still hopeful.

however these internet tests are supposed to be super sensitive - 10micro whatsits. (I am loath to splash out on an expensive test to be disappointed...)

Other thing i am wondering if is it the start of the menopause (I am 43...) eek! well fingers crossed I have something definitive soon - either a BFP or AF.

PS does it really make a big difference HCG levels if you poas in the morning? (I have not been doing test first thing)

Grizzer · 18/03/2014 21:30

Hope you're feeling a bit better Hufty it's always a big loss no matter what stage it happens. Have a glass of wine, some chocolate & a damn good cry - if nothing else it might help the headache!
Congratulations stow lovely news. Have you told dp yet?
It gets so frustrating doesn't it Mattsmama? I never really have symptoms but am always convinced 'this is my month!' I'm mid AF but already counting the days for next month.
Squidgy it shouldn't make a difference what time of day once you're late, it's only if testing early they say do it first thing. Everything crossed for you, you must be going crazy. I was only 2 days late this month but it was enough to convince me I must be pg. I haven't used Internet cheapie pregnancy tests but always use the cheap ov tests. I did use them alongside the clear blue smiley face one for a while & always got the same result so I think they're pretty reliable.
Crazy question from me..... Dh suffers from circulation & vein issues in legs & often wears 'skins' throughout the day. I'm starting to wonder if that might be affecting his sperm (totally his fault I'm not pregnant - definitely not mine!!). Is it worth me asking him not to wear them for a week up to my ov or is the damage done?

jass43 · 18/03/2014 22:27

God,so much going on here... I am watching and do not find any words....Sorry Hopeful it did not work our for you.... Congrats JBrd that the bean is still there.... Diege, gorgeous little baby...

I am in 2ww, also away skiing inSwitzerland (alone, no family). Babyless life seems doable at the mo, I have to say....

Gumblossom · 18/03/2014 22:35

The namechange was causing a bit of confusion, so here I am, I used to be Hopefulgum and then Hufty, but back to the old me, original name: Gumblossom. Sorry for the confusion!

Grizzer, I have heard that tight clothing can increase the heat of the testicles, therefore affecting sperm production, but there's varying advice on it, some experts say it doesn't make any difference. Would DH be up for a sperm analysis? It might be enough to put your mind at ease.

You know it is probably not the case, and you are probably both fine, but ttc after age 40 can be very slow.

However, in stow's case it was very quick! Congratulations - I hope it is smooth sailing for you.

Squidgy, 8 days late, wow! Those internet cheapies are notorious for not showing positive. It does seem strange if they are supposed to be 10 whotsits (very sensitive). I know I was getting + on FRER and nothing at all on the IC's. So I would say it isn't over til AF arrives. Do you know for sure when you ovulated? If you ovulated later than normal, then you may not actually be late, IYSWIM. But if you are sure of ovulation, then being this late is a great sign. I have my fingers crossed for you.

I have been doing a bit of research (again, I am fucking incurable!) and some of the advice given to older women is that although we are born with a finite number of eggs, so we might be reaching the end in our forties and the quality may not be great, some doctors and health experts believe that it takes 90 days for an egg to "ripen" and in that time you can make a big difference to the health of the egg. One of the biggest problems as we get older is the lack of blood flow to the uterus and ovaries, so we can improve that through exercise, acupuncture, massage and taking daily baby aspirin.

It is also suggested that as we age we need higher doses of different vitamins and minerals, particularly: vitamin D, folic acid (about 10 times the recommended amount!), and of course there are many suggested alternative supplements like royal jelly, vitex, maca, DHEA and Coq10. The big IVF clinics in the US prescribe Coq10 to their patients, so I guess there may be something in it.

So,after checking the charts of over 46 year olds on fertility friend, and finding pregnancy charts of 48,50 and 53 year olds (who, incidentally were not on ivf), it seems I have renewed vigour with ttc.

I think the bfp has made me realise that it can actually happen, that it is possible that I have a good egg in there, or at least one I might be able to cultivate.

I also read that in experiments with other mammals (I guess that means rats) a lower calorie diet has a positive effect on lengthening fertility - I wonder if doing the fast diet helped in any way? I know there have been a few bfp's on that thread.But I am guessing there would be anyway. The fast days are supposed to give the body a chance to renew cells and has a rejuvenating effect (apparently) so perhaps it can make a difference.

So, I'm shoveling in the supplements again. Maybe there is going to be one good egg. Maybe not, at least I'll give it another go. I just don't want to be on this thread in 5 years time ShockAnd I am pretty sure I won't be....Grin

SquidgyMummy · 19/03/2014 07:22

Well I tested again this morning, nothing initially, so left the test by the sink and went back half an hour later - there was a very faint second line.
So I think it may well be a BFP. Well am going to buy a better test later this morning.
Told DP; he is a bit neutral about it. Having DS was like a hand grenade going off in our relationship and 3 years later we are only just getting back to normal and he is apprehensive about it all. Also he has two older DCs so didn't feel the need for another fourth child. But I think he is pleased that DS will have a sibling closer to his age. so stow I know how you feel.

Well if it reassures older mums, I am 43 due to be 44 in the autumn. (I know I was cheered that a friend had twins with her first pregnancy at 45)