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TTC 10+++ months part 18

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Mrsden · 08/12/2013 21:06

This is the BFP thread.

OP posts:
akuabadoll · 03/02/2014 13:42

Oh cos your post made me cry. Wonderful news. You too euro and sea. Many congrats to all. I have missed a lot but have been reading. Special loves to fox as well. Critter you and your family are in my thoughts often.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 03/02/2014 13:44

Just a simple hurrah and continued crossed fingers til 12 weeks for both euro and cos. I am so pleased there is good news trickling in.

Gin I really loved your post and hope it didn't hurt critter. It is sometimes very important that "out the other side" it was all worth it. Even in the very lucky position that I am in, I do fret more than average just called the midwives about mucus changes. and really cannot get my head around that in four months we might be meeting our little son.

Critter my heart ached for you afresh, when you described the longing for James as a recovering addict. I hope you can look at mrC's photos in time, but the painfulness of it all sounds tough. It's great you've had quality time with your sister and some good chats. It's an incredibly tough process you have to get through. Thinking of you. One day at a time!

CritterPants · 03/02/2014 13:48

gin just wanted to reassure you that absolutely nothing you wrote was insensitive or inappropriate. Quite the reverse! You had a rough rough time having little ginster. I can honestly 100% say that I desperately want everyone on this thread to have beautiful babies and can totally understand how hard the first few weeks would be. Being a mum is bloody tough, even if you've had a long journey to get there. Please never ever feel like you can't post about the difficulties of being a parent as well as the difficulties of becoming one! Big big big hug. Flowers

MuddyWellyNelly · 03/02/2014 14:51

Reading the thread today in the office was a mistake. I'm fighting back tears for it all, and us all. The happiness, sadness, love, anger, exhaustion, worry, friendship.

Gotta go and play with a boring spreadsheet to regain control.

Poutintrout · 03/02/2014 15:15

cos What an encouraging scan, I am so pleased that you got some good news and I am keeping my FX for little Cos.

Euro Good luck with the bloods and happy that your scan was all good too!

buzz It was lovely to get your update and to read that you and little Buzzy are home. I did laugh at your daughters reaction to your boobs Grin

I agree with you nelly that reading the thread today has been very emotional and a bit teary. critter you hit a nerve when you said that looking at photos of James makes you crave him. I think of you and MrC often and that comment will definitely stay with me. Much love to you.

gin your account of getting little Ginster was lovely and heartbreaking for a whole load of different (and good) reasons. Thank you too to princess, I enjoyed reading about how you are finding motherhood. All in all very lump in the throat making!

Ginestas · 03/02/2014 16:57

Now I'm teary! critter you're ace Flowers, as is everyone on here

DevonLoch · 03/02/2014 17:04

Cos - a heartbeat is great news! I know it's not all clear cut right now but it does sound like big progress since last time and so many things can change in a short period of time. Are you ok otherwise?

Euro - I can't tell you how pleased I am. I keep thinking about what that doctor said to you on transfer day. How wrong could he have been? I can't understand why he would have said it either. It must all feel totally surreal.

Critter - so heartbreaking to hear you aching for James. I am so pleased you are doing ok. You nd MrC are an exceptionally strong couple.. Much love to you both.

Thank you for posting Gin. Really emitional.I hadn't quite gathered how anxious you were during pregnancy. I guess when I meant laid back, I meant in the sense of being a down to earth mum. You know how we always discussed on here how some friends had changed when they had babies and how the little things bothered them or they were competitive about their baby and how some friends just hang out with other mums as they feel they have nothing in common with friends without kids and I just wonder if that's the case for ten plusser grads. Or has the struggle changed your way of thinking?

Oh I hope one day this will all be worth it. I guess it's worth it if it works until then it kind of feels like a big gamble and hedging bets on something that hasn't paid off.

eurochick · 03/02/2014 19:25

I've been thinking about that, devon. I think the darkest night often comes before the dawn.

The silver lining to all the shit we have been through is definitely the lovely people I have met on the way. Many of you I have had a drink with in real life. And others of you I feel like I know so well and would like to. This thread is just full of lovely people who have had so many knocks but deserve the absolute best in life. And I believe will all get that in the end.

Frannieannie · 03/02/2014 22:12

Having lost touch with this thread I've just read the past few pages aghast and needed to post to pass on my sincere and heartfelt condolences to you Critter. I am so, so incredibly sorry to you, your partner, friends and family. There are no words that convey the incredible unjustness of this situation. I hope you are being well supported, both mentally and physically and as the others have done will light a candle this evening for your darling boy James. Xxx

sarlat · 04/02/2014 12:11

Critter - what a beautiful photo of James. Thanks for sharing it. The deep craving and yearning for your baby must be intense and deeply distressing. I so wish you didnt have this pain. Please keep sharing and telling us how you feel. Remember James will never be forgotten and is always loved.

Euro and cos - wow at fantastic scan results. Cos I think you should take comfort from the normal interuterine pregnancy comment. Its incredible to think the extra progesterone may be the missing link.

Devon and Fox -gah,, I am so sorry for tbe ongoing fear and frustration and delayed paperwork and everything.

devon- the nhs cycle has every chance and remember often it is a numbers / waiting game. I know how frightening everything seems when no one can give you a guarantee. I really really don't think you should give up, whilst ever you have the fight in you.

Fox - aw sweetheart, what a tricky time this is.... a bit like no mans land as you want to progress forward with de but emotionally not ready to jump in there. I still think there are a number of options open to you and as a result of that, you will get your baby. It could be spontaneous conception (I truly believe this could happen for you) or it might be de but the baby is out there. Is extra progesterone a la cos worth a shot? I do wonder about mayan abdominal massage for you too as this is great for people with structural issues or for a hormone boost.

Sea and buzz - have chatted on other thread but wanted to say once more how excited I am and congrats on the bfp and mini buzz coming home.

Gin - that was a wonderful post and its lovely to hear about mini gin. Sorry that the first few weeks have been tough. I reckon things come and go in phases and the teething phase could be a doddle for you. Im like princess and have found the first few weeks to be fine and we get 7or 8 hours sleep every night, sometimes more all be it broken up. I am fully aware the baby might present with new challenges at any point when we enter new phases and I will be a sobbing mess.

sarlat · 04/02/2014 12:38

Ray - sorry for the horrid anxiety dreams and clenchy jaw. Would a lovely head and neck massage help or similar? It won't solve all your worries but sometimes having a few hours where you focus on the present and have a relaxing treatment just gives a little bit of well earned distraction. Interesting discussion about day 2 or 5 embryos. i imagine the best way can be argued as both can provide good outcomes. I guess working with what you have dictates to some extent. When do you start fet?

Very interesting also to talk about second babies. I think it is completely normal to want more than one despite this crap we go through. I use to think I would have 3 children (hollow laugh to self now). My feelings are that, yes I would like a second, but its a theoretical want rather than emotional need probably because my baby is only 5 weeks old. However due to the operation I had a year a go which apparently fixed my dodgy tube and bowel and restored my fertility I have a curiousity to try for another to see if my successful pregnancy was a "one off fluke, never to be repeated thing" or if my fertility has indeed been restored for the long term. I wouldn't try just for the sake if it though, I would have to want a second too which I suspect I will. What i do know however, is I will never put myself through long term ttc pressure again. No more investigations etc. I would feel happy to have my one baby if a second wasn't happening. And im sure you would feel content if only one baby came along too. But again you are entitled to try for a second or third if you wanted to / able to. Big big hugs ray, life can be cruel. The uncertainty is just awful. But there is so much hope yet I promise.

Buzzybee123 · 04/02/2014 12:57

ray Kayla is taking it well, better than I thought, I do feel guilty that she is neglected but can only do so much in a day. She is still our fur baby though :) although when babybee starts screaming Kayla starts yowling Hmm when do you get the results of your blood tests??

cos fingers crossed that things keep moving in the right direction for you

euro like wise, nearly at the first milestone

pout she is more interested in Barrys moobs she tried suckling his than mine still Hmm but have had a tongue tie snipped so maybe that will help

fox there is a lady on the IVF worriers board who I am sure had DE IVF on the NHS euro will most likely know more, I'm thinking of motor and didn't Fatimalovesbread have DE IVF on the NHS too?? She was on the earlier threads, I think it sadly becomes a postcode lottery

MuddyWellyNelly · 05/02/2014 07:26

A quick early check in as I wait for a train. Buzzy I am glad Kayla is coping with the intruder; the coordinated shouting sounds fun! Fingers crossed she figures out the boob soon. Babyee, not Kayla Wink

Fox lovely. Tail fluffs and paw squeezes. You know where I am. Once I know more about our timelines for DE we can arrange a meet up for sure.

Lovely to see all the grads still with us. I think we are down to a few hard core BFP resisters now. Any lurkers, please join in.

Cos and Euro I was so pleased to read your news. I can understand Cos that it still isn't easy to believe. But if you were an instadiffer this would not be a reason to worry I think? Normal is what it said. normal is not something any of us believe in any more, is it? Keeping everything crossed for you. X

Lemon, 4 months. Wow!

Critter as others said, reading of your yearning for James is so heartbreaking, but I am glad we are here to be that outlet for you. It's important to give voice to what's going on inside. Much love. To you and MrC

Better go as train nearly here. Chat later and quick waves to those I missed xx

ThatWayMadnessLies · 05/02/2014 08:32

Going to make myself late buff wanted to check in as well.

So relieved to hear of positive scan news and have everything crossed that all remains uneventful.

Another paw squeeze for those feeling low. I'm another who tended not to post when things were good, coming here instead for reassurance when feeling low. It's what makes this such a valuable place that you don't have to worry about saying how you feel.

Will try to name check properly after tomorrow. Big work commitment that i just have to get through - then a week off work - woohoo!!!

Waves to all xx

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 05/02/2014 09:01
eurochick · 05/02/2014 09:43

buzz/fox motor definitely had DE IVF. I don't recall if it was NHS or private though. And there is a women over on infertility - Lauren83 - who has just got funding for DE IVF on the NHS. I think she posted yesterday.

buzz the competitive yowling sounds hilarious, but I bet that will get old very quickly! I hope bee's feeding improves now the tt has been snipped.

On the subject of second babies, we both said we wanted two at the outset. But I really don't think I could put myself through all that again, and frankly by the time I am over this one (assuming all goes well), I will be knocking on a bit. One of the reasons I agreed to go for a stimulated round was in the hope of getting frosties, as that is the only way I think we would have gone for another, but that was not to be.

AFM, I have my NHS booking in appt tomorrow and a consultation with a private midwife on Friday (to see if this is a way to get someone I can trust and who can hold my hand and be a consistent face throughout the random NHS care I am expecting). I am forcing myself to get on with these things, although every time I do something that assumes all is well, like booking an appointment, I am worried that I am "jinxing" things. Oh to be a worry-free instadiffer.

DevonLoch · 05/02/2014 10:57

Euro ~ I can't imagine how you can relax or not worry that you are jinxing things. After this long and knowing you have to rely on ivf to conceive is an enormous pressure. Last year when I was pregnant, I felt almost like my life depended on the pregnancy working as I couldn't imagine putting myself through the strain of the worry again.. It was an odd feeling and obviously the reality wasn't as dramatic as that but still, I understand how bloody anxiety making it all is. But you have to remember no appointment is going to jinx anything. Centime is just fine.

Nelly - there really are only a few core bfp resisters on here now. This thread is coming up to almost 3 years old which I find quite astonishing really. We have had some great successes on here though, some which seemed totally against the odds.

A* announcement last night. Been trying longer than the couple have known each other. A bit sad really as she was the last one out of this friendship group and so our fun evenings will be no more. Just waiting for a few more announcements from married friends now and then that will be it for first babies. I must say an announcement really emphasises how much I feel like a failure. People must wonder how on earth it can be possibly taking us this long. [big fed up sigh].

raydown · 05/02/2014 12:21

buzz fox I think fatima shared her eggs and so the donor paid towards her treatment. I'm not 100% sure of that though.

euro I understand what you mean but booking appointments is not going to jinx anything. I think it's amazing that the embryologist was so wrong, just goes to show that they really don't know. It also makes me wonder about strict quality requirements for freezing embryos.

devon I'm sorry you've had an A*. Was it one you were expecting? I think I've reached a point where I expect everyone to be pregnant before me. Even relatives who are much younger and I can remember being born are going to beat me to this. You're all probably much nicer people than me because I still feel huge amounts of jealousy towards friends who have managed it, I know that feeling jealous is irrational and I don't want their baby and I don't want to be them, I wouldn't swap places with them but it hurts so much some days. It's particularly hard when you know it was an instaduff or that the couple haven't been together that long. Sometimes I torture myself by thinking about these people and their situations and how unfair it is. It's totally unproductive and makes me feel worse.

critter your description of craving James really hit me, you're so amazingly strong. I once went to a talk about happiness and the researcher had done a study which showed losing a child is the event that causes people to reach the lowest happiness levels (not surprising!) but that even with a tragedy of this scale, happiness levels are restored within 3 years. That's not to say that the sadness at the loss leaves a person but that they can feel happy again within a relatively short period of time. What the researcher was showing was that as humans we are amazingly resilient and whilst in the initial grief stage we feel it will never go away somehow the darkness will lift in time, the sadness can at times be overwhelming but it will get easier and there will be light times ahead.

nelly I don't think there are many of us left now are not graduates. I often think that we've done amazingly well on this thread but I really don't want to be the one left to turn out the lights. I'd be really grateful to the fertility gods if they could engineer it so us last few stragglers could get our BFPs on the same day and then trash this place in a farewell party. Perhaps it's time for a headcount of those of us still trying.

Ray (32) ttc close to 4 years. 2 rounds of ICSI ending in BFN. Waiting for FET.

seamermaid · 05/02/2014 13:42

Devon – I am sorry about the A* announcement. They are so hard to take. Going back to a previous chat about freezing, I really think the jury is still out on whether or not embies that didn’t do well in the dish on Day 5/6 could have done well inside the wombie. I know the Argy have their own thinking but I read a lot of medical research that said otherwise. I am ever so hopeful that your NHS round will be the one where you get your babe. Re ladies who got frosties at the clinic. I really think it’s a mixed bag. I met some who did and some who didn’t at all. And some of those who didn’t did get preggo. It’s so easy to compare but I really do think there is a lot of luck involved.

Euro – I can imagine having private mw to hold your hand through it all will be helpful especially after everything you have been through. Have you made a decision about your new opportunity? I have to make a decision this week about the job offer. I want to tell them about the pregnancy but I just don’t know what is the right thing to do – either I wait until 3 months or tell them when I accept the job. The latter feels like the ethical thing to do.

Buzz – Congratulations on your new bundle. I am sorry she is not taking to the boob yet. You are right to keep trying but don’t beat yourself up about formula. I was formula fed (as were all my siblings) and I really don’t think it did any of us any harm at all.

Cos – I am so so delighted to hear you saw a heartbeat. I know the worries won’t go away just yet but this is v v good news. You have waited so long for this. You so deserve for it all to go smoothly from now on.

Fox – I am sorry you are going through a tough time. I have heard of DE IVF on the NHS. I really hope they don’t mess you around and give you the go ahead ASAP. Have you made a final decision that you want to go to DE rather than use your own eggs for another round?

Critters – So sad to read about the ache you feel when you see pictures of little James. I can’t imagine the pain you feel. Glad you had family around at the weekend. I am sure it doesn’t lessen the pain but I am happy you have your loving family around you. I wonder… have you considered grief counselling? I know you have a good support network but I wonder if one on one session of having someone outside of your network to talk to might help in some way.

Ray – Have you had your test results back yet?

Ten – How’s the cycle going? Are you still taking the pill?

Nelly – I have heard such great thing about Serum. When are you planning on doing the cycle there?

Interesting chat about 1 child or 2 children. I always thought I would be happy with one and two would be a bonus. I know lots of only childs who are lovely kind and sharing souls. The only worry I would have about having an only child would be when I am old and ill. I wouldn't want them to worry about me alone without the support of a sibling. I worry a lot about my parents despite the somewhat difficult relationship and having siblings to share it with definitely helps.

AFM, knicker watching has become obsessive pastime. I am exhausted most days and in bed by 9pm hence why I haven’t been on thread. Nausea and sickness is still quite bad but I am not complaining. Just grateful I have managed to get here. Trying to not read all the scary things that are written in books about twin pregnancies. And generally still can’t quite believe it all. Trying to figure out if should tell employer when accepting job that I am preggo or if I should wait till I am 3 mths. I feel I am in a bit of an ethical dilemma – it feels deceitful to not tell them now when accepting but I haven’t told anyone aside from those who knew I was having ivf. Have to make a decision pretty quickly.

CritterPants · 05/02/2014 13:42

Hello all,

frannie thank you for your kind words. I hope you're doing ok. I remember your story as we joined the thread around the same time, I think. It's lovely when grads pop back to check in.

buzzy your little girl is utterly gorgeous, and what a lovely name. I did Grin at you describing her reaction to BFing, although I'm sure it's no laughing matter - you do have such a witty way with words. I hope it's settling down at home and that Kayla is managing the transition.

I remember fatima, I was a lurker back then. ray I think you're right, she shared her eggs. ray thank you for telling me that about the three year thing. Sister critter told me something similar, it does give me hope that eventually the waves of intense sadness and longing will be less overwhelming. I totally understand the feeling of unfairness when other people have children easily. You wouldn't be human if you didn't feel it was unfair. For the vast majority of people, it's a given. It is unfair that something that so many people can take for granted is so hard for us.

devon I'm really hoping 2014 will be the year you get your sticky bean. I remember what an awful roller coaster you were on with your twin beans last year, but there is still every reason to hope that the next round will be the lucky one. I do still think it's a numbers game for you - we have seen that here on this board with other ladies. It's just a question of finding the golden embie.

euro I can totally totally understand the nerves. Conception and pregnancy seem so fragile and it's so hard to realise that so much of it is out of our control. But the appointment will not jinx anything. More and more I think this is just a question of random luck, and surely you've had enough bad luck already for this to be your lucky time. I can completely understand your fear and anxiety though, after everything you've been through.

Big tail fluff to fox and other lovely ten plussers feeling low.

sar it was heartening to see how quickly you got your BFP after your tubes thing was fixed. It's amazing what a difference one thing can make. I remember how low you were this time last year and it makes me really hopeful that things can turn around. I should think you and MrS have every reason to hope for another baby once your beautiful, much-longed-for little girl is older.

I had a rough morning yesterday with lots of tears very close to the surface but am feeling better. Yesterday afternoon I saw the midwife and she told me something useful, which was to explain a bit more about what might have gone wrong. Apparently on a normal placenta there are veins and arteries that fan flat on the surface, flowing into the umbilical cord. On mine, the veins and arteries weren't flat on the placenta - they were sort of tented up away from it, and then joined up with the cord, which was positioned off to one side, and there was a blood clot in one of the veins. I think she mentioned something called vasa praevia. Basically the veins and arteries were much more fragile and likely to rupture. I looked up vasa praevia and it's extremely rare but one of the heightened risk factors is IVF. I guess I'll get more info when I see the awesome obstetrician who delivered James in two weeks.

One other thought that has been rolling around in my brain. A few years ago sister critter adopted a stray dog when she lived abroad in a developing country. The dog became pregnant (hard to know how as she lived on a compound) and sister critter had to get her neutered and terminate the pregnancy as there was nobody who would take the puppies. The poor dog had built herself a nest under sister critter's bed to have the puppies. She retreated there and refused to come out for days - even though rationally she probably didn't understand she was pregnant and that she'd lost her puppies, she was still really really sad. I have often thought about that dog during the past few years while struggling to conceive. We have this deep deep longing for babies and it's physical as well as psychological, which makes it harder to cope with.

CritterPants · 05/02/2014 13:52

xpost sea - if it was me, I would wait before telling the new employer until you reach 3 months. I think they would totally understand, especially if you explained some of the circumstances behind your pregnancy, if that was something you felt comfortable doing. You will still have 7 months of work under your belt with them by the time the twins arrive - I think that is enough to establish yourself with them. I'm sorry about the nausea - I'd just take it easy and be gentle with yourself. I found having some crackers by the bed so you eat as soon as you wake up really helped.

I haven't thought about grief counselling yet - the hospital recommended a psychiatrist but she was very expensive ($350 an hour) and our insurance didn't cover it, so we figured we'd wait and see how we felt in a few months and then maybe revisit the idea. At the moment, talking to MrC and friends/family and of course, being able to talk to you guys is helping me massively. I joined the private FB support group greenygrassy mentioned and found a great website called glow in the woods which I've been lurking on - and all that has been super helpful.

freedom2011 · 05/02/2014 13:57

critter thank you so much for sharing the photo of James. He's beautiful. So sorry about the pain and craving but sounds totally natural to feel like that. I think you sound like you are managing amazingly to be honest and so glad you have supportive family, work and Mr C. Thinking of you and Mr C and James x

madness glad to hear all was well at the 24 week scan

buzzy wonderful news that your baby is here

Sea I liked Middlesex as well but had some horrid man spoil it for me on the tube by looking over my shoulder during a sex bit and leering at me "like that type of book do you love, gets you going?" Pig. I also liked austen's P&P and the kite runner that someone else, I think euro mentioned.

fox sorry things were a bit rough going - hope you are feeling better soon. i think feeling angry sometimes is normal.

Sea how exciting! twins. wow. amazing.

ray fifteen vials? they should be able to tell you your entire life history and future from that amount

euro with you on the mentalling. glad your monday scan was ok.

cos a heartbeat - good. fingers very tightly crossed for you.

Technically I am 12w4 days today. I have a horrible cold and cough which I am worried will hurt him/her/it (still unreal and very abstract). I should be at a v. expensive conference but I am in my dressing gown drinking honey-ed tea and eating biscuits. MrFree wants to tell his parents next week. I will have not seen a scan for 2.5 weeks at that point (next scan is on 20th Feb at 14w5d) and I am worried about having to 'untell' them if it all goes wrong.

eurochick · 05/02/2014 14:11

devon I'm sorry about the A* announcement. I also know couples who have met and had a child in the time that we have been trying. The feeling that life is speeding along for everyone else while you are stuck behind a giant obstacle is horrible.

sea it's still at a very early stage. Recruitment in my industry tends to be a very looooooooong game. I am not feeling very motivated to pursue it though. Whether to tell your future employer is a toughie. I think I would, but I would not be at such an early stage if my opportunity ever moves forward.

critter it sounds like you are doing really well, handling everything your way. Do you find it helpful to have a possible explanation for what went wrong? I hope your obs will be able to shed more light.

free I'm going to download Middlesex now (not just because of the sex bit, you understand).

I hear you on telling people. Part of me cannot wait. I think I will bite the bullet with my parents after the next scan (at 12+4), if all seems well then. I was worried that the awful bug I had the week before last would have done damage, but apparently not. I think the biggest risk is a fever, and that is more of an issue in the really early weeks. You should be fine.

freedom2011 · 05/02/2014 14:18

opps, just checked middlesex and whilst very good and I did enjoy it, it wasn't the one with the filth sex

eurochick · 05/02/2014 14:22

Dammit! Wink

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