Come and join us on the brand new, rather fabulous, and very slightly notorious (or so we'd like to think!) JUST SHAGGING PART 19!!

[Nessalina]

Ladies, Fred title says it all; we are the ones who shag as much as our men can cope with in order to get upduffed without the stress of scientific whatnots!

Fred rules (copied from previous Fred)

1. Thou shalt shag as much as humanly possible in order to get upduffed.
2. Thou shalt not partake of OPKs, temping, or charting.
3. Thou shalt keep symptom spotting to a minimum.
4. Thou shalt share with your fredmates where needed.

JSing lingo

ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Dooooooommmmmmm. Or AF to most others.

Viroid = This is you, dear poster. This is from the first JS thread when someone tried to type 'ladies' and it autocorrected to 'Viroids' - so there you go!

Pant snot = Egg white cervical mucus.

Doing a kitten = Getting upduffed soon after joining (warning: may induce envy in other posters).

POAS = Pee On A Stick (of the pregnancy detecting kind, not from a tree). Also known as PIAR (Pee In A Ramekin - cos we're posh birds innit). Or PIATLH (Tea light holder) PIAWG (Wine glass) or anything else you care to pee in!

Shagging like something = JSing like a teenage nymphomaniac.

Giving a hooya = Giving a much needed slap to a fellow poster in danger of slipping into ttc obsession.

Contraband = Of COURSE none of us EVER partake of any silly OPKs or temp charting. They are Contraband.

Icing = ovulating. Another autocorrect development!

Getting your Cape on = planning some serious pouncing on DH/DP

TWOT - Two Weeks of Torture!

The link to Part 18 is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1843945-Put-on-your-capes-and-rub-the-Unicorn-belly-aka-my-dear-please-pour-baby-gravy-on-my-egg-JUST-SHAGGING-PART-18" target="_blank">here</a>

The current Grads Fred is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1817751-Just-Shagging-Grads-Fred-8-Roll-up-roll-up-all-Viroids-welcome" target="_blank">here</a>

The rather nobbish article in which we become a little bit notorious is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-dark-side-of-mumsnet-my-shocking-tour-of-the-websites-nether-regions-8905055.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> <img loading="lazy" class="inline-flex mumsnet-emoji" alt="Grin" src="https://www.mumsnet.com/build/assets/grin-D7Eg_B6y.png">

Happy shagging shaggers!

red not perfect news but it could be worse. you are doing the right thing. all it takes is one so you keep that hope for a natural bfp alive. hugs

Well done red, some hope amongst the hurdles. Stay positive.

Still got my Xmas cape on here, progressing well with no complaints from DP. He did his back in poss due to some over zealous cape action and still complied the next day, despite being in pain. Bless, if it doesn't work this month I can't blame it on lack of effort.

Thinking of you all, hope someone gets some good news soon

Red- good news on the one embryo. Sorry about the other one. If I was you, I'd do exactly the same and will if it comes to that for me. Really hoping you get your natural BFP though. Sending you Christmas wishes and hopes. X

Thanks evety

Bloody hell- posted again before I was ready!

Thanks everyone for your good wishes for a BFP. The weird cramps have continued as has the on off mild nausea and have added weeing every half hour today! I don't want to get my hopes up though so keep telling myself I'm just imagining it all. I've got a terribly sore throat which came on today though so I'm probably just run down, have wind from all the Christmas food and have a urine infection!

Well done to all those donning capes- hope you get your BFP soon!

AlsoRed- wanted to say you're very courageous and deal with it all seemingly so easily. You're a real inspiration to me, so don't feel you always have to keep a brave face on, but at the same time you have some positives too so try to stay focused on those. X

When's ERTD due Bear? How are you not peeing on anything that moves?! Keeping everything crossed for these kerazy symptoms being real ones!!!

In other news, me & DH got a shag in either side of supposed icing day, which is pretty good, although I'm not 100% positive that I did actually ov! Why can't your body send you a big massive signal when it happens?!

bear and all, thank you for the kind words they mean a lot. I do feel like I've had a brave face on for the last few months, and it's helped me to keep going. The only part that has been legitimately difficult has been the waiting waiting for phone calls, waiting for results, waiting for this date or that date. And of course, I had a few weepy moments over the holidays. After Christmas Eve dinner, DH's mom and grandma were asking to see pictures of our friends' babies, because clearly they had seen enough iPhone snapshots of our fat cats. Hopefully next year will be different. bear, if I can do the injections and everything else, you absolutely can too. Although my hope is you won't need to worry about it! Those are some interesting symptoms....

nessa wouldn't it be nice if a little alarm went off or at least if your uterus could send you a nice text upon ovulation?

Think I'm one of the lucky ones that gets that text on icing day, in the form of half a day of crippling cramp

Doesn't happen every month, had it the last two cycles but hasn't happened this month

bored.com...

at work. not done a thing. what a wasted day work wise. on the plus side i've spent a good few hours pottering about on here!

hope you are all well and dtd lots and lots

Hello all, hey guess what i am back in limbo again

I was only ever so briefly back on the horse, we are now offically off the horse which is bloody in a stable now Dh mentioned oh so casually that he is not sure he wants to go through it all again. He is just not sure, and wants to see what the results of the tests say before we start ttc again. Which really i want to do to, but i do want to try again with out a doubt and he isn't so sure, which has made me all cross and unreasonable!!

So thats me!!

Red i too think its a good plan to, go back and get some more of those eggs!!

Bear when is the witch due?

lentil i got a mini cramp, quite sharp where an ovary probably is, around 2 weeks ago the first time i made the connection in my entire life, that that could have been an ovulation pain

Ack, limbo land, how utterly infuriating, he needs to decide, ttc is opt in or opt out, not wait and see, get test results, wait some more until nature makes the decision for you. Sounds harsh but DP had a brief stint in limbo land, my head sort of exploded, that helped him make a decision, which was no, until he saw how unhappy that made me

if my dh said no to kids I'd threaten divorce! try not to fret cookie just talk with him once you have the results.

hi to everyone else, sorry for quick post...

Oh Cookie my heart goes out to you. I think your DH just sounds frightened, scared of hearing more negative results and scared of disappointment. Let's hope the test results will calm his fears and reassure him that it's ok to carry on.

I've been in a similar position arguing about TTC. It was a deal breaker for us. But it sounds like you're long past that point and he's just having a wobble.

I agree with cosy, cookie - DH might just be nervous or scared, mostly of disappointment and hurting you, and reacting poorly because of it. Mine has been there, too. Give him a day or two and then revisit the discussion? Grr. Thinking of you.

Have any of you made a standing rib roast from frozen? I bought it on a whim yesterday, frozen, and there were instructions on the package to cook it straight from the freezer. Following them, but feeling a bit nervous about it coming out OK.

How did the roast go red? Sorry, couldn't have helped you there, I have no idea about cooking!

Hope everyone else's Jsing efforts are going well

It turned out wonderful! We had a fancy dinner in front of the TV, still in our PJs. I am really enjoying these days off from work doing not much of anything. We leave tomorrow for Pennsylvania to visit my folks for NYE, so I do have to get off my ass and get a few things in order today.

No JSing for us last night, as I had a wine-headache and went to bed early. Today and tomorrow for sure, since I refuse to do anything at my parents' house!

Ok there has been some progress, i think part of the problem is that when DH and i first met he didn't want children, so now he eventually wants one and it has come with all these problems we didn't think it would every happen to us, (i guess it has to happen to someone)

He has now said that he is 99.9% sure we won't be carriers and it will be all fine but if it is the case that we are carrying he is not sure he can through that all again, ARGH. I just want a baby!!

So hopefully fingers crossed we get the results and all is well!!

However he is still shagging me, without protection so there ya go

Glad your cooking was smooth Red

Haha cookie love the 'he's still shagging me...'

Well folks I bit the bullet and POAS yesterday and no joy :-( I came off the pill over a month ago and haven't yet had the dreaded AF visit (which is unusual for me as I've come off the pill twice before and there she was... Waiting for me with open arms. I thought it may have been a good sign but apparently not :-(

Sorry Lynsey :( Still no AF, though? I'd sit here and encourage you to be positive but I am feeling down myself. I just had a very mean moment where I paused in front of all the hung-up holiday cards - most of which are pictures of my friends' beautiful children - and called all of them bastards. My friends, not the children - not like it's that much better, really, to call my friends bastards. I feel so small and petty, but sometimes I just feel jealous rage. My one girlfriend who is pregnant with her second thought it would be helpful today to send me a link to a book for my husband about being an expectant father (premature, much?) and to tell me that it "finally" happened for her when she relaxed, and I should relax. Kiss my ass, woman. Kiss it!

Yes no AF yet red unfortunately!!!

Don't feel petty at all, it can be so infuriating!!! Being told to relax is just like when DH, mid argument, tells me to 'calm down'... Rage immediately multiplies by 10!

I shouldn't worry lyns it can take 3 months or more to come out of your system. you may not have ovulated yet? is this the same brand of pill as when u stopped before?

red punch her. forget ass kissing just punch her. don't feel petty, we all get it. I can't look at my sil atm. bitch. just direct all your anger at this one stupid friend who should know better if she took a while to get pg. idiot. I'm angry for you. can I punch her?!

I'll join in the punching. sigh. There's a good venting thread somewhere in here for those of us who are struggling to conceive and the "helpful" comments people give. It's a very cathartic read! I feel like it's a spiral where you feel ok and you feel ok and people make these comments (which I call "ambushes") and then it all gets too much and the rage/anger/sadness just has to come out.

Hope you all had good Xmases? I've been ill with a horrible cold. If I didn't know better I'd say flu but I didn't feel quite that bad. So very little cape action has been going on. Darn, more missed chances. Starting today/tomorrow and no ov signs as yet but GRRRRR. Am v excited for some BFPs for the rest of you in January so keep those capes on, girls! xx

She really should know better. I know she has had her own struggle with a miscarriage in the summer. And I love her. We have been friends since childhood. But her problems are always bigger than everyone else's and that gets old. And she in no way understands infertility.

Kiss my ass, woman. Kiss it! Oh that did make me laugh Red - I have an American friend, and once saw her 'cards from friends wall' - it's quite the thing to send out family photos of yourselves isn't it? Some of them are soooo cheesy too! It's rather nice, but I can imagine can get quite nauseating too. Maybe you could punch the cards instead

As for the "I have a friend who tried for years, then went on holiday and conceived when she wasn't trying... maybe you should just stop trying?"... Aaargh, we've all heard that one. Personally I think it's total bullshit - no one who has been trying for years, who must be acutely aware of when she ovulates, could possibly then just 'magically forget' and JS on a whim. No one. My theory is that they are still as obsessed aware of TTC as ever, but they've just managed to get their DH to relax into Bding more often, hence it working... (that's just my theory though, I'm prepared to be corrected)

Christmas has been ok in the TeaBags household... going through some interesting family dramas, so it was a rather tense affair with my own family, but we survived. DP is still shagging me still compliant to my wishes, apart from one glitch when his back was too bad one night. Unfortunately I think that may have been icing day (aargh typical!!), but as I JSed the day before and the day after, I'm reeeeeeeaaally hoping it might be ok.

Ah who knows. Bloody frustrating this game isn't it?