Come and join us on the brand new, rather fabulous, and very slightly notorious (or so we'd like to think!) JUST SHAGGING PART 19!!

[Nessalina]

Ladies, Fred title says it all; we are the ones who shag as much as our men can cope with in order to get upduffed without the stress of scientific whatnots!

Fred rules (copied from previous Fred)

1. Thou shalt shag as much as humanly possible in order to get upduffed.
2. Thou shalt not partake of OPKs, temping, or charting.
3. Thou shalt keep symptom spotting to a minimum.
4. Thou shalt share with your fredmates where needed.

JSing lingo

ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Dooooooommmmmmm. Or AF to most others.

Viroid = This is you, dear poster. This is from the first JS thread when someone tried to type 'ladies' and it autocorrected to 'Viroids' - so there you go!

Pant snot = Egg white cervical mucus.

Doing a kitten = Getting upduffed soon after joining (warning: may induce envy in other posters).

POAS = Pee On A Stick (of the pregnancy detecting kind, not from a tree). Also known as PIAR (Pee In A Ramekin - cos we're posh birds innit). Or PIATLH (Tea light holder) PIAWG (Wine glass) or anything else you care to pee in!

Shagging like something = JSing like a teenage nymphomaniac.

Giving a hooya = Giving a much needed slap to a fellow poster in danger of slipping into ttc obsession.

Contraband = Of COURSE none of us EVER partake of any silly OPKs or temp charting. They are Contraband.

Icing = ovulating. Another autocorrect development!

Getting your Cape on = planning some serious pouncing on DH/DP

TWOT - Two Weeks of Torture!

The link to Part 18 is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1843945-Put-on-your-capes-and-rub-the-Unicorn-belly-aka-my-dear-please-pour-baby-gravy-on-my-egg-JUST-SHAGGING-PART-18" target="_blank">here</a>

The current Grads Fred is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1817751-Just-Shagging-Grads-Fred-8-Roll-up-roll-up-all-Viroids-welcome" target="_blank">here</a>

The rather nobbish article in which we become a little bit notorious is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-dark-side-of-mumsnet-my-shocking-tour-of-the-websites-nether-regions-8905055.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> <img loading="lazy" class="inline-flex mumsnet-emoji" alt="Grin" src="https://www.mumsnet.com/build/assets/grin-D7Eg_B6y.png">

Happy shagging shaggers!

ah, red I guess that's a bit disappointing, but good they are growing, taking their time. Guess it's a bit of a come down but good for you looking on the bright side.

I don't mind answering questions! It is good to talk about it. DH is tired of hearing me yammer on, so you all get the privilege of being my audience :) That's exactly how I feel - it's not great news, but it's not bad news, and there's a good amount of bright side even though I am a bit bummed.

You got it right! The concern is that by the time the embryos are optimal for transfer, my uterine conditions may be past their prime. The timing is so crucial for success. So when the timing doesn't quite align in cases like this, my lab cancels the fresh transfer in favor of a frozen one.

There is a lot of research actually that says frozen transfers may actually have better outcomes, partly because your body is given a month to normalize after all the stimulation and the retrieval. The only hurdle is making sure they make it through the freezing process and the thaw (I guess that's another layer of natural selection, which would explain better success rates with frozen embryos).

And, of course, they need to keep growing today and overnight. I don't know how "slow" slow really is (I just reached back out to the nurse for more info if she has it) and if I should be worried about that or not. I vaguely remember my doctor saying during the initial IVF consult that it's fairly common for them to do this when embryos aren't developing as quickly as they'd like and that a good percentage of cycles are converted to frozen ones.

The lab is renowned so I have confidence they know what they are doing and have made the right call. But I'm still a nervous maybe-mom to my tiny Redshoes!

She did say that one is outpacing the other three, so we have some hope that we've got at least one good shot.

Whoop whoop! DTD!

Exhausted.

Have driving lesson at 9.... My timing is not good!

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Haha! Hope you can still drive straight!

Wow, so they'll freeze any of the little ones that look good tomorrow then, and next month you'll hopefully be mama Red It does doing like they know what they're doing so that's always reassuring. This is so massive for you but it's what they do everyday! Ooh I hope they're growing speedily overnight!
So... If they do grow ok, and freeze ok, then they have to defrost ok? Do you have to do the stabbing again next month or was that for retrieval?

Oh Red, more waiting. Not sure we can stand it!

Yes, they'll freeze the good ones, and then hopefully they all defrost OK. I think I saw a statistic somewhere that 90% of embryos survive the freezing/thawing process, so that's pretty encouraging.

I don't think I'll have much to do next month - the major stabbings were just to stimulate the extra follicles and for the retrieval - but I'll probably have to go back on the progesterone to build up good uterine lining. I guess I'll find out more tomorrow. I sent the nurse a looooong list of questions this afternoon :)

Have my fingers crossed for you red

Red

do you think that you will be able to relax over Christmas?
your news sound very promising, so a big yay from me!

Definitely! Sending out super duper positive vibes Red
My DH's horn-o-meter is way off the conception mark right now - he's trying to get all up close & personal when I'm half way through the mother of all ERTDs What do you wanna bet he's gone cold by icing day?! Good grief

zing I don't know if I'm going to be able to relax! Right now, I am in this manic state trying to keep my mind occupied by doing everything all at once. I have de-snowed the car, cleaned the cats' litter box, done the dishes, marinated pork chops, prepped the ingredients to make a batch of cookies later, and I plan on wrapping Christmas gifts or at least starting. And taking a nice, long, luxurious, hot shower with a facial. The last thing I want to do tomorrow is go to work (I had dreamt of a wonderful day post-transfer where I'd sit on the couch watching television), but at least it'll keep me busy for at least eight hours. Maybe once I know that the mini-shoes are on ice and not sitting in a lab being judged, I can stop being a crazy person?

aaww, so sweet that you don't want them to be judged! go tigermum!

yes, I would probably be the same, running around like a headless chicken trying to occupy myself / get distracted.
Do people around you know what's going on?
I really hope for the best news for you and that once you know they are ok and hibernating you can relax a bit.

I'm loving your updates red I habe everything crossed for good news for you.

I'm just back from docs to discuss tsh result. She doesn't think it's an issue and won't prescribe as I'm still within 'normal' range of under 5. I guess I just have to accept that although I know levels should be under 2 to ttc. My level is 3.68.

I also asked again about my dreadful periods, she still suspects endometriosis and to go back in new year if symptoms persist.

She thinks I'll be preggers in no time as I'm young and healthy and have concieved before.

Hi wagga - I suppose it is good news that your doctor is confident. Maybe if the endometriosis gets sorted, the TSH goes down? (I have no idea what I'm talking about, of course.) Stay positive!

zing I actually did end up telling more people in real life than I originally thought I would. I was initially only going to tell my boss but now a few close coworkers know, as well just because I work in a very small, family-like atmosphere and I couldn't keep it from certain people who would have known something was up. Everyone has been very, very supportive, and in just the right way. They listen, but don't ask me questions other than "How are you doing?" -- which allows me to share if and when I feel like it. I feel really lucky in that regard. And a few good friends, and my in-laws, know. But I've probably spilled more details to you girls than most of those people :)

Waiting anxiously for the nurse's call.....

Red

that is amazing support, I'm glad people are responding well.

Wagga sometimes I reckon the Dr could be replaced by a robot that says, "come back if it gets worse". Can be frustrating at times, especially if you've waited a whole anyway

Mine had no sense of urgency at all until I asked for the referral form to go private

Just catching up with Red's news - fingers crossed for your little frosties xx

I think I'm out for this month - had brown tinged CM yesterday, which I've had on a few cycles a few days before ERTD. Nevertheless, I caved and POAS this morning just in case - of course, it was BFN, I'm about 10DPO.

The good news is that my DP has finally booked himself in for sperm analysis - not sure if I have divulged my full story on this thread, but basically DP had a vasectomy reversal this March. We should have been ready for SA 3 months after the op, but he has been procrastinating to the point of making me So we're finally doing it in the first week of the new year. Hooray. At least I get to find out whether I actually have any chance, or whether he's been firing blanks this whole time...

So once that's done, it's just my low progesterone and possible Endo to sort out and we'll be fine...

I think tonight might be a night....

Wagga just seen your update - sounds like we're in a similar boat.

I had 2 'day 21' tests which indicated low progesterone, but the GP just says we'll keep trying until we get it right. Add that to the fact that I think I have endo, but am awaiting bowel investigations to rule that out before they will refer me to a gynae and I'm 35, no DCs, and I just want to go "AAAARGGGGGH"

rant over. Good luck Wagga

Update: Two ice cubes! I am glad it's two and not zero. Four would have been fab, but to be honest, that would have been a huge shock to me. I didn't really expect them all to make it. There is no "grading" info on them yet as far as quality, but I know they won't freeze them if they don't think they are viable.

She did say they expected a higher response, egg-wise, based on the dosage I was on, and if they were to do it again, they could be more aggressive - but hopefully that is a moot point and one of these frozen guys will do the job. They have high success rates with frozen embryos.

The lab is closed next month for annual inspections and whatnot, so I actually have to wait two cycles for a transfer. That gives my body time to recuperate, and I can use that time take off a few more pounds too. Of course I want to keep up momentum, but I do feel as if I can relax a bit now that I have answers. I have an appointment with my doctor next Friday, too, which will give me more peace of mind.

And next month we will do some good old fashioned shagging and maybe shock everyone....

yay for icecubes! ��

that was supposed to be two hearts.

really good news, happy for you!

That's great news red !!!

Thanks everyone. I think I really do need to just shag now and wait and see. There's no use searching for answers and diagnoses I can't get to the bottom of. Although relaxing is easier said than done!!

I've had a lot of pain today on and off in my right ovary area, its not ov pain or period pain, so more symtoms pointing towards endo. I almost lept out of bed last night too because it felt like dp had stabbed me with his penis whilst dtd . I can laugh now but it is worrying!

Oh and good news red one of those wee ice cubes could be your baby .