Trying to conceive thread .....4

[bunny2]

Hope you all find me here, t'is a bit lonely.

Bunny, sorry you feel down. Can you try another consultant? You did ov didn't you?? You got a temp rise too? That's half the battle! You just need your DH's little swimmers to swim in the right direction! Give them chance, it might take them a while to catch on!! Seriously though, it might just be a change of consultant to give you some positive vibes. If the Clomid is working and you are ovualting then what else can be done other than to keep shagging your obviously willing DH! Glad he's uo for it though, it's really tough to bonk on demand I know.

Misdee, hope it's good news for you! Was the bleed you had like a normal period or spotting for a few days. Soemtimes they say women get their dates wrong cos they think an implantation bleed is a period! You never know!!

Sorry to hear that Bunny - agree with Quacks - any chance of getting a second opinion? You must be so down. Try to enjoy your anniversary though...

I'm off to fertility Doc next week so fingers crossed.

Bunny2 sorry you're not getting the medical support you need. I hope you manage to celebrate your anniversary tonight.

Misdee - as Quackers asks, was your period the same as usual, or lighter? Unfortunately I have never felt symptoms pre-testing when I have actually been pregnant, only imagined them when not.

AussieSim - how are you? Any news?

it was lighter, but not that light. so amjust trying not think about it.

bunny2, sorry your feeling so awful, consultants need a kick up the arese when it comes to patients feelings. why dont they ever listen to patients.

You are all so nice. I have done loads of googling and post-ov spotting is often attributed to low progesterone so, even if an egg does get fertilized, it won t be able to implant as the pregnancy needs progesterone to keep going. Who knows. Anyway I am looking at some London hospitals now. I am so conscious of time slipping by - I have been trying to have #2 since I was 34, I am 38 next week. I dont have that much longer left

Misdee, fingers crossed for you this month.

Bunny, you haven't been reading your lesley Regan book! Do you remember the bit about progesterone?? She has researched this if I remember rightly and your body has already proven it can sustain a pgcy and know what to do to produce the correct levels of hormones. She says progesterone injections are a waste as only the body can produce the levels required to sustain a pgcy. You are just being like me and bombarding yourself with information.
Can I ask again if you got your temp rise???
I know my friend who recently got pg after trying for ages would have post ov spotting the month her non working ovary tried to ov. That ovary was slightly polycystic and she was supposed to see the consultant in a couple of weeks to have it sorted out. I think a change of consultant, definately will help you. You need someone on your side, not just someone willing to do the bare minimum.
Please go and have a bottle of champagne with your lovely DH and try to hold your thoughts on this till tommorow at least. I hope you manage to enjoy your anniversary and don't lose sight of the bigger picture remember, although I know it's dead tough.
Big hugs chat tommorow, have a lovely evening xxx

bunny2, I just wanted to send cos I didn't know you had been ttc for so long. I think you are so strong, it must be agony at times. Fingers crossed that it all works out for you.

x

Azure - no news here. I am in the throes of AF Day 5, (a bit more bearable then when I had the coil), and I will start using my Maybe Baby from day 10 to track down when I am oving these days.

Last time I was trying I was oving and DH's sperm were swimming OK but we still didn't seem to be able to manage it for such a long time. I hope now that I have managed it once that my body will have a better idea of what is supposed to be going on.

I would love to get some reflexology to work on my stress, but it is so difficult to find someone good and then actually organise a babysitter etc. I have joined a gym (with kids club) and had a fitness test this week. Apparently my fitness level is only "OK" and I am slighty overweight and my BMI is slightly higher than it should be. So plenty to work on. But you should see my bicep on my left arm!

Question: I am still bfing my 13mth old. My AF came back when he was 10mths old and seem to be of the same length as before DS. Do you think I am lessening my chances of conceiving by still bfing 3times a day?

Hi everyone, Hey Bunny, celebrate and enjoy your anniversary! You deserve it. I had spotting DPO 4 (according to OPK) last cycle and i stupidly thought it was implantation spotting!! What is it all about Bunny! My ob/gyn just told me to keep on medication and come back CD21 this cycle.

I am not really trying this cycle. NO temping or OPK's. Just trying lots of BD. Am knackered at only CD9!!!

Bunny - Happy Anniversary! that's something to celebrate and I hope you can.
It is tough, you try to stay positive and upbeat and get sick of being upset and down about the entire ttc deal. DH told me last night he didn't like having to perform on demand ( I had joked with him that it HAD to be last night as I thought I was ov'ing) and we ended up having a big serious talk about what if it doesn't happen and lets just forget about it for a while. But I can't forget and sex right now IS about conceiving and not because we want to. That's awful or for me it is. I don't want to be like this.

And my brother's wife is having a m/c right now I feel awful all around

But bunny - well, thinking about you and hope you feel better soon.
hana

hope we have some good news soon.
I meant to sound a bit more positive but it didn't come across that way.
Have a lovely evening Bunny with your DH.
hana

Hugs bunny (((()))). It's all so worrying, isn't it?

Oh hana, that's bad news for your SIL, I presume this is the one that announced she was pg recently. Does she know about your losses? Hope she's ok and I suppose also it brings back some bad memeories for you too. Hugs {{{}}}

AussieSim I didn't realise AF had arrived I haven't heard of Maybe Baby - is it like Persona? I don't know if breastfeeding has any effect on conception - if you are having periods I would have thought you are having a regular cycle. Well done for joining a gym. I hate to think what my fitness level is, and my BMI has always been poor.

Still no AF for me and it's day 140-something or the other! Been back on the Metformin for a week and last night when I licked my ovulation detector I THOUGHT I saw it crystaling/ferning as it does when you ovulate. Naturally we had another night of pash. Not holding any hope, but it would be nice if we conceived naturally. If all of you make that wish for me then maybe the power of collective thought will send magic our way! Still healthy eating by the way and have worked out that if I keep up this rate of weight loss (slow and steady) I could be ready for treatment in July.

BeckiF, it's great to hear you sounding positive - you can cheer up the rest of us!

thanks for all your messages of support, I cried for hours yesterday but am feeling more pos today . We spent last night in Waterstones bookshop for our wedding anniversary, reading up on fertility (went for a nice meal after). I bought the Toni Weschler book "Taking charge of your fertility" and Mary Kittel's "Stay fertile longer". In this book, she recommends a detox and agnus castus rather than clomid so I might go with that. The clomid certainly isnt doing it for me, I am bleeding again today, more than spotting . Maybe the natural approach will work for me.

Hana, I am sorry you feel down too. Your poor SIL. My dh cant perform on demand and I think he feels a tad resentful that I am only after his sperm. He wants us to relax about it but, like you, it is impossible. I am so focussed (obsessed) with getting pg, I can hardly think of anything else.

Quacks, I reread the Lesley Regan bit, you're right, she questions the effectiveness of progesterone shots. In my new book, there are ways of increasing your bodies ability to use it's progesterone so I am going to try that approach. Might even give my ob/gyn the sack!

Bunny, glad to hear you're feeling a it better. I didn't realise you'd been trying for so long either. I can really sympathise with the way you're feeling, even though it's not been so long for us yet. I am going for a course of cognitive behavioural therapy (unfortunately can't start for more than a month yet) which my doctor recommended to me - it's supposed to help you deal with negative thoughts and feelings. I shall let you all know if I pick up some good tips!

Sorry to hear about your SIL and brother hana.

So, girls, no-one made any comments about my weekend drinking dilemma. I shall be on CD 23/24 but I don't know when I ov'ed because I gave Persona a rest this month, although I'm fairly sure it was around CD14/15 (and luteal phase is always 14 days exactly), so that's probably 9/10 dpo. There's not much chance even a First Response test would work is there. I really don't intend to get sloshed but then again over the course of a whole evening I can drink quite a lot. The chances of pg are very slim this month (not much bd'ing and only several days before ov - sorry if TMI!)

I would go out and enjoy yourself Jellycat, including having a few drinks. I've been a bit bad this month anyway - got quite sloshed on Tuesday when was out with a friend. Not that I can take booze as well as I used to pre DS. Before I found out I was pregnant with DS I tested negative the morning of a big night out, so drowned my sorrows with lots of wine. Needless to say I tested positive three days later. Felt bad about it, but DS turned out fine. You never know, it may be your last chance for quite a long time!

Hope you;re ok today Bunny, v interesting stuff you mention. Hope your meal went well. You STIL didn't tell us if you got a rise BTW!!!!!!!

Jellycat, just try and go a little easier than you would normally. I would have white wine and soda and just say I was thirsty First repsonse could give you a positive if you try tommorow, it will get about 60% of positive results 3 days before AF! Good luck if you try! xx

Jellycat, test, test, test! You might get a positive and then you can stay off the booze. If you get a neg you can have a few drinks. I went out last Saturday and ended up clubbing till 3 am, I had a few too many. I have been trying for so long I cant keep putting my life on hold so once in a while I think Sod It, I'll have a drink.

Quacks, I got a rise (nearly off the chart) 2 days after my last pos OPK, it fell next day but was still higher than usual, today it was back to pre-ov temps.

So you did ov then, so the Clomid is working from that point of view. Did you input into FF? Did it confirm the rise and ov? Sorry a million q's, I know you;re like me and want to know it all!
Jellycat?? You up for it then? I tested with first resp 3 days before a couple of times and got a pos, it took a minute for it to appear but it was defo pos. Anyway, like Bunny says you can't put your life on hold all the time either, no-one would expect that of you!

Maybe Baby is an OPK using saliva. I did a little homework on the bfeeding and 'fecundity' and determined, that mostly if you get your cycle back then the bfing has dropped to a low enough level to bring back the menses, but it did say that you might not ovulate in the first few cycles. I will see this month if I am oving, but I still think I am probably better to drop a feed to be on the safe side. I think continuing to bfeed might even increase chances or implantation problems if it causes too much prolactin to be released. Anyway, so much to think about.

Hurray - I ovulated on Monday (according to my chart) - I thought that I had! We have been bd-ing this week more that we have in a very long time - so fingers crossed!

How is everyone?

Bunny, not sure if you read my last msg but wanted to post again. What does it mean to have the spotting on DPO 4? If you remember, i had this last cycle and mistook it for implantation spotting (sliiy cow that i am )

Anyhow, ob/gyn did say he thought it might be ovulation spotting..the OPK's however, said otherwise. Any help?

Sorry ChaCha, I did mean to respond. If you browse the sample charts on FertilityFriend and TCOYF, there are lots of women who have spotting somewhere in their cycle and sometimes it is totally random. If it forms a pattern (ie I have spotted 3DPO till af for the last 2 cycles, both on clomid), then I suppose there might be something wrong. From what I can gather, in the luteal phase, spotting is attributed to low progesterone. ne book I have recommends taking progesterone supplements if using an ovulation-inducing drug but this theory is not supported by all doctors. I have been looking into other ways of increasing my progesterone's efficiency - a low GI, caffeine-free diet can help as can herbaql remedies such as agnus castus. Now it is just a case of looking at all the different info available and choosing the best course of action.

Quacks, FF havent pinpoited ov on my chart as my temps only stayed elevated for 2 days. It needs to be up for 3 days b4 they confirm ov. That is why I suspect the clomid isnt working .

Ermentrude, good luck!! Sounds like you are in with a good chance this month.