TTC 10 months + Part 17.

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For all the lovely 10+ers, and anyone else lurking, who has been trying for long enough to start worrying. This is a great place to rest until the elusive BFP shows up.

Mrsd - I don't believe for a second you are a poor responder. People with excellent amh only respond poorly if their doses are wrong. I can't help but feel your doctor is covering up his mistakes from last time by saying, you didn't react well to cetrotide and your body didn't do that. Sorry I don't buy that - if they get the dosages correct and monitor you, they should get many more mature eggs. I am sure they have now learnt from their mistakes and it will go much better this time. But don't be hard on your body, your fertility is excellent - be hard on the doctors instead!

Oh sea how come you are still waiting? I really hope for you that your results show you are good to go. I'm not downregging I'm on short protocol. So this is just my body playing silly buggers. I keep trip trapping off to the loo tampon in hand.

Joycep pah to another birthday. My 4th ttc bday is also looming. What a bag of turds.

Sea - oh goodness sorry about yet another wait. This has been going on for months. I met quite a few people at the clinic who were waiting for about 9 months trying to control cytokines. What a bore but they all got pregnant to be fair.

And after chasing the clinic several times, they came back to me and I have a follow up next week. They won't have anything constructive to say. I asked the doc when I was there why we aren't producing blasts and he said they had no idea and then stated the obvious that it could be eggs, could be sperm. Really?! Never!!

Rabbit- how many days past ovulation are you now? Is this a longer Lp than normal? If so that would be suspicious.

I'm 13 dpo. I got to 17dpo a year ago but had had spotting then and had a very faint positive (I think - it was a blue dye cross test which are supposed to be a bit dodge, who knows). I got home and took my temp which doesn't fluctuate that much for me whenever I take it in the day and it is the highest it has ever been so I don't reckon af is rocking up tomorrow. I don't think it is possible to get pregnant with only two follies and the cons said it was highly unlikely I will ever conceive naturally (boo hoo) so no excitement in the rabbit household. However I am interested in the no spotting. Reflexology? Or maybe just random body head fuckery. I will not be testing, my period will come, I know my lot!

(But my usual lp is 12-13 days)

Rabbit - did you tell your consultsant you have had at least 2 CPs/early miscarriages?. You have conceived naturally so he is wrong that it is highly unlikely because how else would you have had 2? Anyway, I understand it is impossible to think anything might have happened. The no spotting is intriguing. What an absolute head f*ck. The Lp thing is perplexing too. Argh. Poor rabbit. Limbo land is terrible.

rabbit consultants don't always get it right, you only need one follie to make it work, hopefully this is your ironic updiffness before IVF

lemon fingers crossed for tomorrows scan

Rabbit aargh that sounds like such a head f*. Will you poas if af doesn't arrive? Given the previous cp's it might be worth it at the very least to see what's going on iyswim, knowledge is power! We are so due an ironidiff on here.

MrsD I agree it sounded like you had a good response but then didn't react well to one of the drugs they gave you, which hopefully was just an isolated response and nothing to do with your ovaries. Given that you've downregged would it be their expectation I wonder for you to be slightly behind tomorrow compared to sp?

Sea I'm not sure if I'm strong or just temporarily, hormonally, deluded that there will be a next time with a better outcome. You have been incredibly patient. I hope the results have come down this time.

Joy big waves.

I have taken your advice and booked a scan at my local epu for sat.

Waves to you Buzzy too

Cos I'm glad you have an appointment. I can see your better outcome time in the future, promise. Joy I did mention the cps but no one has seemed remotely interested. My gp said it would be a faulty test I think I felt a whisper of a period pain in my yoga class. I have tried to keep all glimmers of hope firmly locked OUT. It's not that easy though is it. And I have my usual pre periody feelings. I would do anything for a get out of jail card! I think going into ivf on the back of a cycle that feels well behaved feels psychologically better though. Which is rather a shitty consolation prize. Ah well.

Rabbit it definately shows Ivf isn't the only route. I am very much hoping for a get out of jail for you.

Btw does anyone else think that 'gorgeous' baby George, is really anthing but??!! (catty? jealous?)

Anyone else watching the programme about why the Japanese are not producing babies on bbc2?

Interesting question my friend asked me last night - theoretically, if 95% of your friends / peers / colleagues were single, and living the single lifr, what effect would that have on what you really wanted in terms of marriage / family?

He looked a bit grumpy to me cos I don't really find bald babies cute, they all remind me of Winston Churchill or William Hague. It sort of amuses me that all parents think their baby is the most beautiful. I got a bit down when I saw his christening photos, I had been trying 10 months when they got married.

Rabbit, oh I wish for a pre Ivf bfp for you so you can stick your fingers up at the doctors.

Sea, more waiting ughh how frustrating. Ttc has made me very patient,

I like "relaxed ovaries" as a concept!

To those who asked, I think we have decided to do one stimulated cycle at the clinic we are at to see if we get somewhere with more embryos (hopefully) and if that doesn't work, we will change to CRGH, do the £2.5k of tests they recommend and do one last cycle with them. And then give up and buy a menagerie.

I'm watching cos. Missed the beginning though. What an amazing bunch of oldies!

Wishing you a BFP as well Rabbit, however unlikely.

Not sure what CRGH is euro and its a shame it costs so much but it's good to have a plan. I hope you are feeling positive about it now there is a decision.

SA booked for DH - 11th Nov to get this show on the road to the clinic.

at the prospect that gorgeous George may be anything but...I must say I didn't think arrrr when I saw a piccy of him! I was more at Kate's figure. If I come back in another life, I would like to be tall and elegant....and fertile....please.
Cos - so pleased you have an appointment. It's good just to get peace of mind, although you probably did until I started mentioning it
And Cos - I've thought about this before. If none of my friends were having babies or trying for babies, I don't think I would have felt so pressured. I would still have wanted to get married for sure and have babies but if it didn't happen, I guess I wouldn't have felt so left out or felt like I was missing something.

So why aren't the Japanese producing babies? I missed the programme.

According to the programme because the men are more into manga, Nintendo virtual girlfriend games where they pretend to be 15, and there's virtually only 1 version of marriage which is the ultra traditional model. Nothing fertility related that I could see. Cultural differences are so fascinating aren't they? I can't see manga causing Italian men to go off women! Now I'm sure someone intelligent like Euro will come along with some more profound analysis!

And Joy you are gorgeous. You have a look about you that reminds me of a phrase I once read about kmiddy - that you look like you could win a sports competition like hockey in the day and then turn up looking glamorous for the evening celebratory ball!

to be honest there have hardly been many pics of baby George thankfully, I thought we would be inundated with them, maybe I don't read enough trashy magazines, Barry thought he looked stupid in 'that' dress and thinks he looks slightly ginger

I saw a thing about Chinas one baby policy and how there are too many men and not enough women to go round, like that has been a surprise, but it was pretty brutal for some of the men

euro sounds like a good plan, will you cycle before xmas or wait till the new year

sea its frustrating just missing out on a cycle

rabbit I am hopeful this is your pre ivf ironic instadiff

mrsd hope all goes well at your next scan

cos alot of my friends don't have kids or those that do live over we were younger and friends more were single it would take the pressure off.

Instadiffs still feck me off, Barrys cousin got married in July and is already 8 weeks pregnant, I got a few looks when I said well what else was she going to do she lives in Cyprus by the way and has no ambition to do anything with her studies etc so I felt it was fair comment but in reality I was quite shocked/ jealous it had happened so soon

joy glad you have an appointment lined up with the NHS, hopefully you won't have to wait a year

oooohhhh all this talk of good old future king george made me go to the daily fail to look at him! OMG! Why have they dressed him up in a ball gown?! And he's definitely got a tinge of ginge about him.
I am just not a fan of kmiddy... ummmmm

As for asians not making babies because of manga. I can quite believe it. In Hong Kong, all the men are obsessed with video games and never go out to exercise. My friends there call them green chopsticks as they are all skinny and green from staying indoors too much.

Interesting points about Chinese 1 child policy. They have now changed it and will allow people to have more than one... of course in a country like China people will opt for boys. The whole things sickens me to be honest. It all goes back to the old days when having boys mean another pair of hands in the farm apparently. Grrrrrr....

Rabbit - Sorry I didn't realise you were on SP. Sounds v confusing but surely no spotting is a good sign? Fingers crossed... if anyone deserves that ironic pre-ivf diff it's you and it would be so good to prove your docs wrong. It wouldn't be the 1st time they get it wrong would it.

Euro - Glad you have got a plan. Sounds like a good one.

Joy - I am glad you managed to get a follow up with them. Goodness!! Docs can say such stupid things sometimes. Grrrr... Hopefully you will get some intelligent answers this time round.

I found out about cytokines in May so I have been trying to deal with this for 5 months already. Not sure I could handle another 4. I feel like i am going a bit mad already.

Cos - Glad you have a scan booked. Good to get these things checked out. Interesting point you make about how one would feel if 95% of friends were not married or had kids etc. I actually have quite a few single friends. I think I would feel less pressured but would still feel the way I do now because this is more driven by my relationship with MrS then pressure from married friends with kids. I often feel bad saying anything about ivf in front of my single friends as I know they really worry about having kids as they haven't met the right person yet... I tend to keep quiet when I see them but they know I am looking into it and ask me lots of questions.

MrsD - I don't know about mix of drugs for ivf but Joy sounds like she talks a lot of sense. Docs can get it wrong and like to blame things on something other than what they advised.

Dulcet - Glad you got SA booked for DH. Good to get things moving.

AF just arrived. No chance I can make this cycle unless the results come back tomorrow (assuming they are good that is). I might call the clinic like a mad woman tomorrow morning.

Cos!!! How very sweet of you but Wondering whether you were drinking when we met or perhaps even last night?! I have never turned up glamorous to anything...honestly!!!

Sea - worth calling to check for your results. I think they come in around midday. I hope they are back.

Lemons - good luck today!

Buzz - you are not the first pregnant 10plusser to say that instant diffs are still annoying. One would hope once pregnant all those feelings would disappear but they clearly don't.

Very behind just now so a quick good luck for scans, and am hoping one particular AF is very absent, but apologies for fuelling the mental!

I will read later to see what the latest is.

Morning. No news here. Getting a bit pissed off with it now as it is making me feel stressed every time I go to the toilet. Even H asked where it was this morning - he is taking his drug dealer role very seriously I am relieved to have had a decent break from bleeding and that I can still have 'normal' cycles. I also then thought shit what if this is a menopausal missing period

Prince George does have a rather dodgy photo knocking around on Facebook. I don't think the dress helps as he has a manly face. It didn't give me baby envy but Joyce agreed that her flat stomach is incredible.

Euro I'm glad you're feeling a bit better.

Sea I keep meaning to say, my sil has terrible eczema, really bad to the point it makes her ill with itching. She is an instadiffer of the highest order. I don't know if that is helpful but sometimes when I'm stressing about my hostile body with its various ibs eczema annoyances I think if her and realise it might not be related at all? I've lost track sorry - did you decide to get all immunes tested before ivf or is this because of the tb that you know about your cytokines?